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now how many people will hoot and holler at Apple when/if they remove the 3.5mm headphone jack.

Apple is actually going be in a bad spot. A ton of people are going to scream bloody murder when they do it, and talk about how Apple is being stupid. Once everyone follows suit and does it, and it becomes the norm there will be people who want to remind everyone that Apple didn't "innovate" it, because this company did it first. Even though by that time these phones will be an answer to a vague trivia question.
 
Funny how rumors around next iPhone actually impact other manufacturers so they desperately realise them into newer models just for sake of saying "we did first"

Not necessarily, the original rumor might be spreader by this LeEco company, so that when they release their phone, they can easily get free publications. The emergence of the original rumor was not that far away to have a company redesign and finish the engineering and production.
 
I agree. I am vaguely aware of the structure of a 3.5mm jack. So if Apple can do something smart like retain the 3.5mm due to being a ubiquitous standard but incorporate all the other tech, that would be a great way forward.
An adapter for legacy headphones will be smarter. Those who don't need or want the adapter won't have to bear the burden of supporting those that do need it or want it.
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Apple is actually going be in a bad spot. A ton of people are going to scream bloody murder when they do it, and talk about how Apple is being stupid. Once everyone follows suit and does it, and it becomes the norm there will be people who want to remind everyone that Apple didn't "innovate" it, because this company did it first. Even though by that time these phones will be an answer to a vague trivia question.
It won't be as bad as when Apple switched from the 30-pin connector to Lightning. Every iPhone user had a collection of 30-pin cables that were now useless, and for a while, Apple was the only supplier. Now Lightning cables are cheap (and better than the ones Apple sells).

Not everyone uses headphones with the iPhone, and of those that do, many are happy with the ones that come in the box. There will be a vocal subset of people complaining, even though there will likely be an adapter. It just won't affect as many as the original switch to Lightning.
 
My problem with removing the 3.5mm headphone jack and replacing it with Lightning is that Lightning isn't significantly smaller. Lightning is wider and still has some significant height. If they were to remove 3.5mm, why not replace it with something much more advanced? My guess is Lightning has an expiry of around 2019.

First, Lightning is a substantially smaller connector by volume than the 3.5mm jack. Second, Lightning is NOT replacing the 3.5mm port. Apple is eliminating it in favor of wireless, with Lightning offered to those who prefer wired connections. That's one reason USB-C doesn't enter the picture here. By the time USB-C reaches any kind of widespread market saturation, wireless will likely be a much higher quality and affordable option than it is today, at which time Apple will eliminate the Lightning connector altogether for contactless wireless charging as well, along with high speed wireless transfers.

The main reason for switching to a Lightning Connector is to eliminate the digital-to-analog converter and amplifier required for the 3.5 mm jack.

No it's not. Both will still be required for the built-in earpiece, and speaker, as well as a ADC for the mics. But they can be cheaper, and lower quality.

$19.99? No! It will be at 49.99
I'm sure it would be 29.99

The current 30-pin to Lightning adapter sells for $29, and that has support for audio input, charging and data. Moreover, it is not a high demand item, and uses an expensive, complicated and obsolete 30-pin connector. A basic adapter for stereo headphones, should not cost no more than $19 from Apple. I'm sure cheap Chinese versions will cost under $10.
 
How about they remove the headphone/lightning port completely. Bluetooth headset and wireless charging.

It would force everyone to get rid of their current headsets and charging accessories so they could hit us up to buy all new stuff furthering profits. They will be able to charge more than the $19.99 for the wireless charging stations. Same with charging more for the bluetooth headsets. Win/win for apple and those of us who hate cords on our headsets.

They could even come out with a proprietary battery or method of charging the headset to really sink that hook in.
 
How about they remove the headphone/lightning port completely. Bluetooth headset and wireless charging.

It would force everyone to get rid of their current headsets and charging accessories so they could hit us up to buy all new stuff furthering profits. They will be able to charge more than the $19.99 for the wireless charging stations. Same with charging more for the bluetooth headsets. Win/win for apple and those of us who hate cords on our headsets.

They could even come out with a proprietary battery or method of charging the headset to really sink that hook in.

Bluetooth is not proprietary, how does that exclusively benefit Apple? Beats aren't even a particularly well respected brand of headphone. Sure Apple will get some sales, but hardly enough to justify alienating a segment of their client base.

And why would exclusive bluetooth connection "force" people to get rid of their current headphones? I have a $20 BT dongle, the size of a matchbook, I picked up from Amazon, which has over 10 hours of battery life, and allows me to plug any device into it, including my headphones. It's actually terrific because I can carry my iPhone in any pocket, not just one in convenient reach of my headphone cord, and the BT adapter in any other pocket, providing me as much slack as I need. It's actually a better solution, even though my 5s has a headphone jack.
 
Moving completely away from the Lightning interface (for example to USB-C) will cause a deep financial impact for iPhone users, having buy new accessories all over again.

I doubt Apple was worried about my "deep financial impact" when I spent $300 upgrading two 16GB iPhone 6S's and one iPad Air 2 to 64GB last year.
It's more about keeping the port proprietary so that you can sale expensive accessories while sending out updates that kill knockoffs.
Trust me; Apple is not concered about you or me saving money. They just increased the 9.7” iPad entry price by $100 knowing full well iPads are slowing each year in sales. And they charge $100 for a pencil which should be included in the cost. Deep financial impact??? Don't make me laugh.
 
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Funny how rumors around next iPhone actually impact other manufacturers so they desperately realise them into newer models just for sake of saying "we did first"
Yeah, and of course it’s absolutely impossible that they were thinking of doing it anyway before Apple. Just like anything else that happens in the smart phone industry………….
 
Bluetooth is not proprietary, how does that exclusively benefit Apple? Beats aren't even a particularly well respected brand of headphone. Sure Apple will get some sales, but hardly enough to justify alienating a segment of their client base.

And why would exclusive bluetooth connection "force" people to get rid of their current headphones? I have a $20 BT dongle, the size of a matchbook, I picked up from Amazon, which has over 10 hours of battery life, and allows me to plug any device into it, including my headphones. It's actually terrific because I can carry my iPhone in any pocket, not just one in convenient reach of my headphone cord, and the BT adapter in any other pocket, providing me as much slack as I need. It's actually a better solution, even though my 5s has a headphone jack.

I never said bluetooth was proprietary. I was saying Apple could come up with a proprietary way to charge their specific headsets. Forcing buyers to buy their chargers ect.

People are zealous enough towards iPhones they would get rid of their current headphones and whatnot to get the new offering from them if it is under the guise of an upgrade. To think otherwise is folly. The lines going around the building and down the block every time they release a minor upgrade to the iPhone line proves that.
 
No it's not. Both will still be required for the built-in earpiece, and speaker, as well as a ADC for the mics. But they can be cheaper, and lower quality.

Please read my previous post carefully:
"The main reason for switching to a Lightning Connector is to eliminate the digital-to-analog converter and amplifier required for the 3.5 mm jack."

Did I mention anything about the earpiece and speaker? No. I'm only talking about the 3.5mm jack, which requires a Stereo-DAC and amplifier. Could it be the same DAC used for the other two? Probably.
The same amplifier? Probably not. Each output has different impedance and filtering requirements for noise/static reduction.

I'm not in favor of removing the 3.5" mm port, and while my vote is "don't do it!", it's not my call do decide it. :eek:
 
There's a lot of evidence that Apple's next iPhone will not have a headphone jack. MR has been posting articles about it.
I'm very well aware of that, but for that poster to go off about being "required" to buy adapters and such. Well it's a bit early for being hysterical isn't it? For all we know if they do go that route they may include the damn adapter.
 
Yeah, yeah! The rumors. Every Apple rumors you read on MacRumors, will be later copied by the Chinese. Sad but true!


Oppo had one phone without headphone jack way before this iPhone 7 rumours. Check out Oppo R5... Released in 2014... So who is copying who?
 
Oppo had one phone without headphone jack way before this iPhone 7 rumours. Check out Oppo R5... Released in 2014... So who is copying who?

Oppo? WTH is Oppo? Let's see... Found it!

Oppo R5 review - CNET
www.cnet.com › Mobile › Phones
CNET Rating: 3.5 - ‎Review by Aloysius Low
Jan 14, 2015 - A beautiful slim smartphone let down by poor performance. ... The Good The Oppo R5 has a ridiculously sleek profile with a metal frame that feels solid and well-built. ... Clad in metal, it's super-thin -- just 4.85mm (0.19 inches) deep, and it weighs a scant 155 grams (5.5 ounces).
 
Please read my previous post carefully:
"The main reason for switching to a Lightning Connector is to eliminate the digital-to-analog converter and amplifier required for the 3.5 mm jack."

Did I mention anything about the earpiece and speaker? No. I'm only talking about the 3.5mm jack, which requires a Stereo-DAC and amplifier. Could it be the same DAC used for the other two? Probably.
The same amplifier? Probably not. Each output has different impedance and filtering requirements for noise/static reduction.

I'm not in favor of removing the 3.5" mm port, and while my vote is "don't do it!", it's not my call do decide it. :eek:

You're telling me to read your previous post "carefully", which talks about removing the DAC for the 3.5mm jack, and then admit that they probably use it for the other built-ins, which they do. So yeah, I did read your previous post carefully, and you are wrong -- they cannot remove the DAC if they remove the 3.5mm jack. So you are just as wrong now as before you copped an attitude with me.
 
I doubt Apple was worried about my "deep financial impact" when I spent $300 upgrading two 16GB iPhone 6S's and one iPad Air 2 to 64GB last year.
It's more about keeping the port proprietary so that you can sale expensive accessories while sending out updates that kill knockoffs.
Trust me; Apple is not concered about you or me saving money. They just increased the 9.7” iPad entry price by $100 knowing full well iPads are slowing each year in sales. And they charge $100 for a pencil which should be included in the cost. Deep financial impact??? Don't make me laugh.
My comment was not about Apple caring or not. I was only mentioning the for the user, regardless of Apple's opinion.
So I guess you are laughing at something that's not a joke.
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You're telling me to read your previous post "carefully", which talks about removing the DAC for the 3.5mm jack, and then admit that they probably use it for the other built-ins, which they do. So yeah, I did read your previous post carefully, and you are wrong -- they cannot remove the DAC if they remove the 3.5mm jack. So you are just as wrong now as before you copped an attitude with me.
Easy, Dude... Don't have a heart attack... There's no attitude issue here. I'm no completely agreeing with you about the DAC as the 3.5 mm jack requires a Stereo DAC. And I'm also mentioning each output has different amplifier/impedance requirements. So what's wrong? Take a chill pill!
 
Oppo? WTH is Oppo? Let's see... Found it!

Oppo R5 review - CNET
www.cnet.com › Mobile › Phones
CNET Rating: 3.5 - ‎Review by Aloysius Low
Jan 14, 2015 - A beautiful slim smartphone let down by poor performance. ... The Good The Oppo R5 has a ridiculously sleek profile with a metal frame that feels solid and well-built. ... Clad in metal, it's super-thin -- just 4.85mm (0.19 inches) deep, and it weighs a scant 155 grams (5.5 ounces).


And your point is?
 
My problem with removing the 3.5mm headphone jack and replacing it with Lightning is that Lightning isn't significantly smaller. Lightning is wider and still has some significant height. If they were to remove 3.5mm, why not replace it with something much more advanced? My guess is Lightning has an expiry of around 2019.

Lightning is probably too thick to make it to 2019. I think there's about 2 generations of iDevices before "thinner" means "introducing Lightning 2". So Apple will make a bunch of money selling licenses and adapters for Lightning 1 and then do it again with Lightning 2.

And per this move, those with good headphones might get to enjoy carrying around 2 (TWO!) adapters 3.5mm to USB3 and 3.5mm to Lightning, as the former (and it's much cheaper licensing) probably has a much better chance of adoption in non-mobile devices than a proprietary jack controlled by a single company.

Why is this happening? Well Lightning will have profit in it (unlike 3.5mm which has no Apple proprietary patents). Of course, Apple competitors are not going to embrace Lightning, so it makes great sense they'll either keep 3.5mm or embrace a public standard like USB3 that doesn't have comparable (high) licensing costs.

And why do we need to switch to Lightning? "We" are trying to spin "higher quality" and "the future" but because an iPhone is a phone, it is still going to have to have a DAC INside it. So the arguments of high quality DACs outside- while fine- doesn't eliminate the one inside the phone. Before the audio can be heard by our ears, it must be converted from Digital to Analog. Do that inside the phone (where a DAC must persist anyway) and send the analog through a ubiquitous, no-adapter-required, you-already-have-this-jack-on-your-headphones 3.5mm jack. Or shift it outside and pay up again for another DAC so that the digital form of the audio signal can move a few mm or cm further up the pipe (wire) toward your headphones. Will that make any perceivable difference in what our ears can hear? Very likely not. For those that argue otherwise, why couldn't Apple just put a better quality DAC INside the phone where they have to have one anyway?

Net result: more licensing dollars in exchange for a loss of "just works" ubiquity... going from a global standard to a proprietary one that will collide with "thinner" in about 2 more generations of iDevice development. And then what? Lightning 2 and buy it all again. This is a Sony-like proprietary play.

As to "the future" crowd, wireless is a mess if one cares about quality. Bluetooth is a poor substitute for wired unless one doesn't care about quality. Yes, wires can get in the way but trading off quality is a rough way to solve that problem. Maybe Apple is going to roll out some new wireless audio standard that overcomes the audio flaws of Bluetooth "as is"? From my perspective, THAT is the best possible outcome of Apple jettisoning 3.5mm. But even that seems likely to come with "proprietary" hooks and thus probably won't be compatible with everything else (unlike 3.5mm).

Lastly, if Apple adopts Lightning as THE way, does that put Lightning ports on Mac computers? Else, again, it's adapters just to use one set of headphone/earbuds with different products from Apple too. I don't buy "thinner & lighter" if one pretty much has to carry adapters to support "thinner & lighter". What a mess!
 
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Lastly, if Apple adopts Lightning as THE way, does that put Lightning ports on Mac computers? Else, again, it's adapters just to use one set of headphone/earbuds with different products from Apple too. I don't buy "thinner & lighter" if one pretty much has to carry adapters to support "thinner & lighter". What a mess!

Yes Lightning connectors likely on all Macs.

I had a PowerBook Duo, a 280c, and a 2300c. Both were state of the art in mobile use. Both only had one standard port. Few complained about their lack of ports at the time, as they were quite a popular series of Macs. But customers made a choice to do without the ports, or carry around adapters they needed in exchange for the ultimate in Macintosh portability.

I never use my headphone jack on my iPhone. The future of audio is undisputedly wireless. I couldn't be happier with this decision, as a smaller lighter iPhone is much more important to me than whether the quality of my audio is slightly better over a 3.5mm jack.

The question here is not whether your personal opinions on the matter are relevant or not, as they certainly are to you, but whether a significant majority of Apple's customers think so.
 
The main reason for switching to a Lightning Connector is to eliminate the digital-to-analog converter and amplifier required for the 3.5 mm jack.

The Lightning connector would provide a Digital Signal to the headset instead, and it's up to the headset to convert, amplify and do whatever else may be necessary.

Moving completely away from the Lightning interface (for example to USB-C) will cause a deep financial impact for iPhone users, having buy new accessories all over again.
You still need a DAC for the earpiece and the built in speaker.
If you mean for quality reasons, these days you'll be very very hard pressed to find a digital DAC that's perceptibly better than the other.
 
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Ok, then. Now we can choose between an iPhone and an iPhony.
Take your picks.

USB-C headphones may become more universally accepted than Lightning Headphones, but I don't think iOS users could take a punch with another interface change.

This change would mean we would have to buy new HDMI Adapter, new USB Adapter, new SD Card Reader Adapter, a whole new net of cables and car chargers, etc.. What an expensive nightmare!

I wouldn't call it an expensive nightmare, I would call it an expensive, but ultimately necessary transition phase to something better. I think saying that helps a little, maybe...
 
I wouldn't call it an expensive nightmare, I would call it an expensive, but ultimately necessary transition phase to something better. I think saying that helps a little, maybe...
Considering we need 14 USB to Lightning cables (MFi non-Apple) in total ($ 140), plus 2 Lightning to HDMI Adapter ($ 85), plus 2 Lightning to USB adapter and 2 Lightning to SD Adapter ($ 85)....
Plus, new headphones and/or USB-C Adapters for existing headphones ($ ??)

It still seems like an expensive nightmare to me... :eek:

I still consider the Lightning connector to be much stronger and durable than the USB-C connector.

I don't mind going digital, but don't change the primary port of the device!
 
My problem with removing the 3.5mm headphone jack and replacing it with Lightning is that Lightning isn't significantly smaller. Lightning is wider and still has some significant height. If they were to remove 3.5mm, why not replace it with something much more advanced? My guess is Lightning has an expiry of around 2019.

A lot of people have Bluetooth headphones/headsets nowadays. I'm thinking Bluetooth is a bit more advance than the 3.5mm audio jack on my Sony Walkman.;) I don't see why someone would want device specific headphone/headset when they buy one that works with pretty much every phone made in the last few years.
 
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