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dmw007 said:Yes, a portable cheese-grater would be great!
Twice as high, half as wide, verticle dvd - so it will lie nicely under my tv
It's amazing how these "mid-tower" or "new Cube" Mac rumors don't die...it's not in Apple's strategy to offer headless Macs that might eat over the other model lines' margins...please let this rumor rest, once and for all...
As for the other tidbits, it's just plain fantasy...a giant black iMac? Funny indeed...
As for the other tidbits, it's just plain fantasy...a giant black iMac? Funny indeed...
BRLawyer said:
That's one of the reasons that Apple is a distant 4th with only 5% of the market. They're unwilling to cannibalize sales of a machine that only mac users want for a computer that would appeal to a significantly larger audience. Dell and HP are perfectly willing to take those customers.
Ah, I love my cube. Well at least I did, but now it's as slow as, well something like... a snail... but bigger, more cube like... and slower, compared to these new iMacs, and especially the iMac Ultra that must come out pleasepleaseplease.
Basically I want something with an X1800 XT or even X1900, with at least a 2.4 Conroe. Maybe the highest non-extreme Conroe? Or maybe even an Extreme with some serious cooling modifications??? A 23" screen would be nice too, with high def.
All for under 4 grand Australian.
I want to buy Quake 4 and Doom 3, ad run them with the highest possible settings, and them to be playable. That means Ultra quality, HDR, 4X AA, 8X AF, etc. (or whatever is the highest) on the native resolution.
I figure if any new mac can handle that, it should rip through Bryce 3D (my sometimes hobby) Solidworks (The awesomest, coolest program ever! And also useful for Uni) and Matlab (Also for uni)
I realise for this sort of power, I would probably have to go Xeon Mac Pro, but it would be nice to get a fast all-in-one that would leave me cash to buy a macbook to cart to uni. 3 hours total on the train every uni day starts to get very boring, and is quite the lost resource, when all one can do is some maths, and even my maths now often requires a computer ("R" sucks!).
I am starting to need to run Windows software, and for that I need Boot Camp, and for that I need my iMac Ultra!
PS I LOVE PAGE 2 WWDC RUMORS!
Basically I want something with an X1800 XT or even X1900, with at least a 2.4 Conroe. Maybe the highest non-extreme Conroe? Or maybe even an Extreme with some serious cooling modifications??? A 23" screen would be nice too, with high def.
All for under 4 grand Australian.
I want to buy Quake 4 and Doom 3, ad run them with the highest possible settings, and them to be playable. That means Ultra quality, HDR, 4X AA, 8X AF, etc. (or whatever is the highest) on the native resolution.
I figure if any new mac can handle that, it should rip through Bryce 3D (my sometimes hobby) Solidworks (The awesomest, coolest program ever! And also useful for Uni) and Matlab (Also for uni)
I realise for this sort of power, I would probably have to go Xeon Mac Pro, but it would be nice to get a fast all-in-one that would leave me cash to buy a macbook to cart to uni. 3 hours total on the train every uni day starts to get very boring, and is quite the lost resource, when all one can do is some maths, and even my maths now often requires a computer ("R" sucks!).
I am starting to need to run Windows software, and for that I need Boot Camp, and for that I need my iMac Ultra!
PS I LOVE PAGE 2 WWDC RUMORS!
nagromme said:
I think that would be nice, but the price would have to be decent. I think Apple would want to sell something for at least the price of the base iMac, and even if the spec is better than the base iMac, they'd have trouble pulling that off.
I'd want something where Good/Better/Best is no worse than $799/999/1,299, with PCIe throughout the range, and a Core Duo (if not a C2D) in most of the models.
I don't think Apple would sell that. Apple's current having trouble understanding the Mac mini, which I'm increasingly convinced was a stop-gap product based upon a design probably intended to be something else, not something Apple wants to be a success. It's Apple's Amiga 600.
Yes, but I think there's a big market who would demand something lacking in the Mini and iMac: GPU upgradability (or simply a higher-end GPU to start with). Thus, a low-end tower--or some other form factor with at least that ONE slot if not more.balamw said:
I've had DVD burning Macs and never burned a DVD. I know two other people who have burned zero and one respectively. It's a great thing, but it's NOT something everyone needs. Thus, on a low-end headless (where customizability is at its best), it should be an option. If you want to put money towards a better GPU instead of DVD burning, you should be able to--on a hypothetical system that falls between the iMac and the pro towers.storage said:
I agree on the black iMac though--that would be great. (The size sounds wrong--but I've long expected Apple to release the current sizes in black.)
Thanks for the demoswingerofbirch said:
I'm skeptical, but but it would be pretty sweet!Nice photoshop work! Bonus points for the USB ports looking properly different inside in the reflection. Your design?dmw007 said:Yes, a portable cheese-grater would be great!
The same would once have been said about a low-end headless... "not Apple's strategy"... but now we have the Mac Mini. Apple's more flexible than some may think. And as the Mac market grows, it becomes economical to have a wider range of products than before, even with some potential overlap. It's OK to cannibalize SOME sales--every new model does so--as long as it also generates enough NEW sales that would not have happened otherwise.BRLawyer said:
I'm sure the day for a mid-range headless WILL come, whether next week or not. I think there's demand (from potential switchers especially, but also from Mac upgraders) that the current lineup does not meet. As Mac sales rise, I think Apple will meet that demand. (And the demand for a very small pro laptop too. I think it's a matter of time.)
I wanna see more of the clear plastic stuff! It's like teh sexdmw007 said:That would be a nice computer that I believe would appeal to a lot of people.
Especially if it looks like this-
Apple advertising/marketing at it's best!
read what you just said.BRLawyer said:
omg! why did they make the imac dude! it totally cuts into the powermac margins!! the point is not that it will cut into other margins.. but that it won't, because thier current line fills all the niches.
Desktop line:
Mac mini: low end, BYOMKBM
iMac: Semi- Low end, all in one
Mac Pro Cube: High end BYOMKBM
Powermac/ Mac Pro: High end BYOMKBM
see, if you need a BYOMKBM model that is more high end than the imac, you have the mac pro. it fills no specific niche. either go with the high end imac or the low end mac pro.
Unless of course you sit back a little bit and "See the big picture..." (That should be their new slogan)
"See the big picture."
"Think Different" is so out, it is time to have something that does everything and can put everything into perspective simultaneously.
"See the big picture."
"Think Different" is so out, it is time to have something that does everything and can put everything into perspective simultaneously.
You guys are so far off on this Cube talk....
It's obviously going to be the Powerbook with a G5, you didn't just think they were going to get rid of the Powerbook, did you?
Come on meow!
It's obviously going to be the Powerbook with a G5, you didn't just think they were going to get rid of the Powerbook, did you?
Come on meow!
Yeehaaa! Go for lower DPI !!!
I can't stand how all the new macs give me headaches these days. How I pray for a return to lower DPI screens. Here's to a 23" with 1600x1050 or a 25" with 1920 res.
I can't stand how all the new macs give me headaches these days. How I pray for a return to lower DPI screens. Here's to a 23" with 1600x1050 or a 25" with 1920 res.
high DPI and headaches
I have a 30" ACD and LCDs only look 'sharp' at their native resolution. Go in to an Apple store an play around with one, you'll see what I mean.
But rather than lower the DPI, I'd rather see resolution independant system menus and icons. This has been discussed here many times and I understand that it's not a simple thing to implement well.
But I'd settle for some predefined choices such as small, medium and large or custom even if it takes five minutes every time you change it to pre-draw every system icon and menu. The theory being that I wouldn't change it that often.
The headaches are real. Don't dismiss the importance of this issue out of hand.
~iGuy
Phobophobia said:
I have a 30" ACD and LCDs only look 'sharp' at their native resolution. Go in to an Apple store an play around with one, you'll see what I mean.
But rather than lower the DPI, I'd rather see resolution independant system menus and icons. This has been discussed here many times and I understand that it's not a simple thing to implement well.
But I'd settle for some predefined choices such as small, medium and large or custom even if it takes five minutes every time you change it to pre-draw every system icon and menu. The theory being that I wouldn't change it that often.
The headaches are real. Don't dismiss the importance of this issue out of hand.
~iGuy
nagromme said:
Actually its a modded PowerMac G4 cube! Someone shot the picture and it was used in an article about the possible return of the cube this year.
iGuy said:
Nonetheless, I expect it
(And likely even previewed Monday.) Apple long ago announced OS X's future res-independent UI system, in detail:http://developer.apple.com/releasenotes/GraphicsImaging/ResolutionIndependentUI.html
(Note that Quartz Debug can enable an early version of this that's built into Tiger already, so developers can get their apps ready. It's not polished yet, but it's very cool--and great for menus.)
I've found it odd that Leopard rumor roundups have almost always failed to mention this one feature we basically KNOW it will have.
CoolSilentwave said:
Corporate Market
The real corporate problem is that many of the applications used are MS Windows specific. Even the browser apps are often only certified with MS Windows Internet Explorer. Hell, even Java apps can be certified Windows only. Third party developers see a Windows only world and that is what they focus on. When using cross platform technology, they often don't test or certify on other systems other than MS Windows.
Next is the issue of internally developed Windows legacy applications. Never mind the IS developed apps, the users are also creating their own stuff. Access is a nightmare because everyone has it, and most of them really don't understand it. Then a few bring in tools like VB or C++.
Perhaps tools such as Parallels Desktop for Mac will allow Apple to crack the corporate market. Just don't expect any express entry into it.
The mini is great for most corporate users. These users don't tax the graphics systems and the most demanding applications most of them run are Word and Excel. And yes, a native Intel version of those would be nice.petej said:
The real corporate problem is that many of the applications used are MS Windows specific. Even the browser apps are often only certified with MS Windows Internet Explorer. Hell, even Java apps can be certified Windows only. Third party developers see a Windows only world and that is what they focus on. When using cross platform technology, they often don't test or certify on other systems other than MS Windows.
Next is the issue of internally developed Windows legacy applications. Never mind the IS developed apps, the users are also creating their own stuff. Access is a nightmare because everyone has it, and most of them really don't understand it. Then a few bring in tools like VB or C++.
Perhaps tools such as Parallels Desktop for Mac will allow Apple to crack the corporate market. Just don't expect any express entry into it.
For all you people wanking over the idea of a mid-range Mac desktop: Get over it.
The iMac is the mid range Mac. Apple are not going to come out with a mini-Tower Mac.
Plus the idea of the cube is stupid, it was Apple's biggest failure, you think they want to go there again?
The Mac mini is the new cube, in everything except dimensions and the extremely high price.
I'm sure people will protest, say how they won't buy a Mac until Apple releases what *they* want. However, face facts. Apple is not Dell, their line up is simple, they're not going to start introducing new products other than to replace old ones right now, unless its a completely new concept.
The iMac is the mid range Mac. Apple are not going to come out with a mini-Tower Mac.
Plus the idea of the cube is stupid, it was Apple's biggest failure, you think they want to go there again?
The Mac mini is the new cube, in everything except dimensions and the extremely high price.
I'm sure people will protest, say how they won't buy a Mac until Apple releases what *they* want. However, face facts. Apple is not Dell, their line up is simple, they're not going to start introducing new products other than to replace old ones right now, unless its a completely new concept.
No. The perfect corporate machine is the iMac, with the Mac Pro for set ups that need big power. The iMac powerful, energy conserving and takes up very little desk space. Plus they look cool for the image concious office. If you don't believe me visit the offices of a design studio or talent agency where Macs are common, iMac on every desk and they love them.petej said:
Apple's biggest hurdle in taking over corperate enviroments is not its current computer line up, but rather how entrenched Windows and the need to run Windows only software.
bigbossbmb said:
I wasn't sure either, but did a quick search:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p
"24p is a video format which runs twenty-four progressive (hence the "P") frames per second, essentially the same as film does. Originally used for utilitarian purposes in non-linear editing, today the format is widely used for aesthetic reasons by both high-end professional and independent media makers. In particular, 24P HD already provides a reasonably viable alternative to the film format and may replace it altogether in the future."
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