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Leftover WWDC Rumor Tidbits

centauratlas said:
I wasn't sure either, but did a quick search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p

"24p is a video format which runs twenty-four progressive (hence the "P") frames per second, essentially the same as film does. Originally used for utilitarian purposes in non-linear editing, today the format is widely used for aesthetic reasons by both high-end professional and independent media makers. In particular, 24P HD already provides a reasonably viable alternative to the film format and may replace it altogether in the future."

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I know what 24P video is and Final Cut Pro already supports 24 progressive frames per second. I've edited a bunch of shorts that were shot in 24p. I was just really confused as to what the post meant as it is something different than adding support for a certain framerate.
 
scibry said:
I'd buy a 25" iMac in aluminum grey.
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Or better yet--turn the 20" ACD (along with more size options) into the new iMac. It might have to be a little thicker, but I much prefer that to the current square design with the lucite below the screen.

I know it won't be soon, but Apple could go that route in a couple years.
 
nagromme said:
The same would once have been said about a low-end headless... "not Apple's strategy"... but now we have the Mac Mini. Apple's more flexible than some may think. And as the Mac market grows, it becomes economical to have a wider range of products than before, even with some potential overlap. It's OK to cannibalize SOME sales--every new model does so--as long as it also generates enough NEW sales that would not have happened otherwise.

I'm sure the day for a mid-range headless WILL come, whether next week or not. I think there's demand (from potential switchers especially, but also from Mac upgraders) that the current lineup does not meet. As Mac sales rise, I think Apple will meet that demand. (And the demand for a very small pro laptop too. I think it's a matter of time.)
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I couldn't agree with you more. The Apple of today is a different beast than the company from 5 years ago. They are finally positioning themselves as a viable replacement for PCs-- something that wasn't necessarily the case pre-Intel. I believe Apple will have a machine for nearly every market segment and position themselves so that there is a Mac alternative to nearly every PC. The affordable tower and ultra portable markets are two much-needed areas of expansion in their lineup. (Note: When I say "affordable tower" I mean just that. The single 1.8 GHz G5, for the most part, briefly occupied this spot.)

-Squire
 
iMac graphics makeover

I'd like to see the iMac's graphics catch up with that of the PC market. If you look at some of the nvidia and even ati cards, they are up to 1GB and 512MB. If there is a "25" iMac" then there would most likely be a GPU upgrade. I won't buy an intel iMac until I see a 512MB VRAM option available and a price for the low-end model close to $999 new. X1900 would be NICE! :) :) :) :D :D :D

That's just me, I might have higher expectations.
 
TitusMan91 said:
I'd like to see the iMac's graphics catch up with that of the PC market. If you look at some of the nvidia and even ati cards, they are up to 1GB and 512MB. If there is a "25" iMac" then there would most likely be a GPU upgrade. I won't buy an intel iMac until I see a 512MB VRAM option available and a price for the low-end model close to $999 new. X1900 would be NICE! :) :) :) :D :D :D

That's just me, I might have higher expectations.
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Thing is, these high end cards are being introduced to support Vista's Glass interface. Aqua (with Quartz Extreme) runs fine on a 32MB card, and looks at least as good as Glass. Why does Glass need so much more???

There's room here for Apple to introduce some graphics to Aqua that use higher end cards and blow Vista away...
 
Squire said:
I couldn't agree with you more. The Apple of today is a different beast than the company from 5 years ago. They are finally positioning themselves as a viable replacement for PCs-- something that wasn't necessarily the case pre-Intel. I believe Apple will have a machine for nearly every market segment and position themselves so that there is a Mac alternative to nearly every PC. The affordable tower and ultra portable markets are two much-needed areas of expansion in their lineup. (Note: When I say "affordable tower" I mean just that. The single 1.8 GHz G5, for the most part, briefly occupied this spot.)
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Here here - Apple has a low and high end consumer desktop (mini and iMac), but only has a (very) high end Pro desktop. The windows crowd buy more low-end and mid-range towers than anything else.

The Mac Pro (with Xeon) will compete with workstations from the likes of HP, not your typical corporate PC or even a high-end corporate PC.
 
Dude, the sharpness drops unacceptably

Dude, have you ever tried that? It looks terrible. Native resolution is the only option.

Phobophobia said:
Why don't you just lower the resolution of the displays in system preferences?
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dr_lha said:
For all you people wanking over the idea of a mid-range Mac desktop: Get over it.

The iMac is the mid range Mac. Apple are not going to come out with a mini-Tower Mac.
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I really must say, I find posts like these amusing. Any time someone tells us that Apple "will not" do something, I have to sit and wait for Apple to do just that so I can laugh my head off. Even when execs at Apple tell us that Apple won't do something, we know that this can't be relied on. So, why should we think that you have any kind of inside track on this sort of information?? :)
 
dr_lha said:
For all you people wanking over the idea of a mid-range Mac desktop: Get over it.

The iMac is the mid range Mac. Apple are not going to come out with a mini-Tower Mac.

Plus the idea of the cube is stupid, it was Apple's biggest failure, you think they want to go there again?

The Mac mini is the new cube, in everything except dimensions and the extremely high price.

I'm sure people will protest, say how they won't buy a Mac until Apple releases what *they* want. However, face facts. Apple is not Dell, their line up is simple, they're not going to start introducing new products other than to replace old ones right now, unless its a completely new concept.
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Amazing how much that sounds like what people were saying before the Mac mini was introduced. "Apple will never sell a cheap, headless computer. Just get over it." The fact is that you don't know what Apple is going to do any better than the rest of us. Your "facts" are just as made up as the Mac Pro Cube.

[EDIT: Beaten by Snowy. Damn.]
 
dr_lha said:
No. The perfect corporate machine is the iMac, with the Mac Pro for set ups that need big power. The iMac powerful, energy conserving and takes up very little desk space. Plus they look cool for the image concious office. If you don't believe me visit the offices of a design studio or talent agency where Macs are common, iMac on every desk and they love them.

Apple's biggest hurdle in taking over corperate enviroments is not its current computer line up, but rather how entrenched Windows and the need to run Windows only software.
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I'm sure that someone else would say this if I didn't, but the iMac isn't the perfect machine for someone (or some company) that already has a monitor. If I own a company with 500 computers, and I want to upgrade those computers, looking at iMacs I have to buy the whole 500 computers all over again: monitors, keyboards, mice and all. If I go with XYZ PC Company, I can get just the CPU tower replaced, at a substantial savings, and continue to use the monitors, keyboards and mice that I already have. This is the market that the iMac can't compete in. This is the market that a mid-range Mac tower could compete in.
 
Flowbee said:
Amazing how much that sounds like what people were saying before the Mac mini was introduced. "Apple will never sell a cheap, headless computer. Just get over it." The fact is that you don't know what Apple is going to do any better than the rest of us. Your "facts" are just as made up as the Mac Pro Cube.
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...And the Shuffle.


Snowy_River said:
I'm sure that someone else would say this if I didn't, but the iMac isn't the perfect machine for someone (or some company) that already has a monitor. If I own a company with 500 computers, and I want to upgrade those computers, looking at iMacs I have to buy the whole 500 computers all over again: monitors, keyboards, mice and all. If I go with XYZ PC Company, I can get just the CPU tower replaced, at a substantial savings, and continue to use the monitors, keyboards and mice that I already have. This is the market that the iMac can't compete in. This is the market that a mid-range Mac tower could compete in.
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Good point. Plus, there's a big enough gap specs-wise between the two lines (iMac vs. Powermac/Mac Pro).

I have an iMac and I want a new Mac. A lower-end tower is perfect for someone like me. I won't bore you by describing what I use a computer for. The usual, you know. But I also now feel comfortable replacing certain components. I've added a new optical drive and hard drive. In short, as much as I love/-ed my iMac, another all-in-one isn't really in the cards.

-Squire
 
Snowy_River said:
I'm sure that someone else would say this if I didn't, but the iMac isn't the perfect machine for someone (or some company) that already has a monitor. If I own a company with 500 computers, and I want to upgrade those computers, looking at iMacs I have to buy the whole 500 computers all over again: monitors, keyboards, mice and all. If I go with XYZ PC Company, I can get just the CPU tower replaced, at a substantial savings, and continue to use the monitors, keyboards and mice that I already have. This is the market that the iMac can't compete in. This is the market that a mid-range Mac tower could compete in.
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Have you ever worked in a corporate environment? I don't mean a small business, I mean a real corporate environment?

Do you really think that in those environments when they upgrade computers they reuse the old monitor? Of course they don't, they upgrade the whole package. After all a monitor is about $200 of the package these days.

The only people who upgrade computer and not monitor are home users.
 
Flowbee said:
Amazing how much that sounds like what people were saying before the Mac mini was introduced. "Apple will never sell a cheap, headless computer. Just get over it." The fact is that you don't know what Apple is going to do any better than the rest of us. Your "facts" are just as made up as the Mac Pro Cube.

[EDIT: Beaten by Snowy. Damn.]
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We'll see who's right.

Hint: It'll be me.
 
ReanimationLP said:
I dont see a 25" iMac happening, a 23", sure, but 25" is too weird of a sized LCD panel.
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I know what you're saying there, I was gonna say the same thing. The 20" iMac has a samsung and I don't think Samsung or anyone else for that matter carry 25". I would be fine with a 23" though.
 
I would like to see a 23 Inch iMac - That comes in white and black....

It should use one Conroe (Core 2) up to 2.66GHz, use up to 4GB (2x2GB of DDR2 800) Ram... , One 750GB SATA2 HSS, and Have an Integrated X1800 Mobile 512MB Video Card.

That would be the Sex
 
iBunny said:
I would like to see a 23 Inch iMac - That comes in white and black....

It should use one Conroe (Core 2) up to 2.66GHz, use up to 4GB (2x2GB of DDR2 800) Ram... , One 750GB SATA2 HSS, and Have an Integrated X1800 Mobile 512MB Video Card.

That would be the Sex
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Two HDDs because Leopard brings along Timemachine, so you really want two HDDs to backup your stuff.
Four ram slots is much cheaper and there should be more room now with cooler chips.
 
nagromme said:
Well, I think a mid-range headless (maybe not a "cube," maybe just the SAME tower with lesser optical drive/HD/GPU/processor) would have a market--it could cost a little less than the iMac (no screen/iSight/speakers, maybe no SuperDrive, same GPU--but expandability) and then people could BTO a SuperDrive and/or any GPU right up to the highest. The slowest dual-core Conroe is still a FAST machine, if combined with a nice BTO GPU.
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Great idea, I think there would also be a market for smaller Cinema Displays (17" and 19"?) that could be combined with the mac mini for a cheaper 'all apple' experience
 
I think having a mid-level consumer tower (i.e. mac pro "cube") would really help bring in new customers to the Apple brand, but isn't the market already too saturated with these types of computers? Apple has more of a chance standing out as the manufacturer of sleek and sexy all-in-one units that just work (to borrow a phrase). Still, it would be nice to see a more powerful Mac Mini.
 
I don't think Mac is looking to become mainstream with its computers. I think Mac is trying to retain that "BMW" status of a little more money will go a long way in terms of what you're getting. Mac seems to be keeping that while bringing in people with outside items such as the iPod and hopefully iPhone*?*. I just don't see them making a large push in their computers in terms of advertisment. The ones with the windows and mac guys aren't really doing much in keeping people talking except the windows people whinning.. Eventually you'll see a mid-tower i would guess but not in a windows let's get cheap so we can sell more.. or so I hope!
 
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