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Lenovo Passes Apple in U.S. PC Shipments As Worldwide Market Flatlines
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Wrong.
Those PC's are useless, and nothing you say is true. The only advantage of PC "modularity" is for manufacturers to ship more models, which is not a problem for Apple, specially in this day and age.
"Upgrading" a PC is one of those things that got a taboo with enough push from PC "enthusiasts", salesmen, hardware manufacturers, etc...
In real therms, upgrading a single part on a system, is just stupid and economically unworthy.
If you want more performance, you can't get it just by upgrading a CPU, or RAM, or whatever. You can only get it by upgrade the WHOLE machine.
There's no performance gain in a system that runs ok with 8GB to move to 16GB or 32GB, if that memory is STILL slower, if the CPU can't access the RAM as fast.
When CPU's change appreciably, the chipsets and sockets also change, so, you won't get a radically better CPU, you get another range from the same CPU, you need to buy a radically better CPU to appreciate the difference, there's no way you'll tell the difference from a couple of MHz, yes, there are dual core, quad-core, different clock's, but that's just a small difference from generation to generation, and the best thing to do is to buy the correct CPU for your needs.
Seymour Cray
One can spin these numbers any which way..... The bottom line is last year-ago quarter Apple sold 1,704 million units and this years quarter 1,682 million.
That's down 1.3% while most of the other main players are up this year....
you can apply that argument to the makers of just about anything. wheres my high-performance, low-cost Mercedes?
You statement would be valid only if the graph showed the amount of computer being made and not sold. But the graph shows the amount of computers being sold. Most consumers would disagree with what you said. Considering Apple is still being outsold by 4 companies.
yeah except it's running Windows.
also, on my macs i can and do run both OS X, a better OS, and Windows 8.1 when needed for certain work tasks.
Touch on a Laptop?
Honestly, I don't get the value of having a touch screen on a laptop.....especially, if the laptop has a decent trackpad that responds to gestures. The keyboard and trackpad just work so naturally with OSX, and I don't have to move my hands up to the screen and make large excursions across the screen to perform simple operations.
I understand using touch with a handheld device, since your hands are already on the screen and iOS is optimized for touch, but I don't get touch on a laptop.
Of course, hybrid devices might be the answer, but at this time, they seem to require compromises in usability.
Admittedly, my experience with touch laptops and hybrids is limited to short sessions at retail stores, so maybe they grow on you after a while.
Honestly, I don't get the value of having a touch screen on a laptop.....especially, if the laptop has a decent trackpad that responds to gestures. The keyboard and trackpad just work so naturally with OSX, and I don't have to move my hands up to the screen and make large excursions across the screen to perform simple operations.
I understand using touch with a handheld device, since your hands are already on the screen and iOS is optimized for touch, but I don't get touch on a laptop.
Of course, hybrid devices might be the answer, but at this time, they seem to require compromises in usability.
Admittedly, my experience with touch laptops and hybrids is limited to short sessions at retail stores, so maybe they grow on you after a while.
People who have shoved an SSD into even a 4-year-old computer would beg to differ. Upgrading hardware is not stupid by any means.
Eggsachery.
Lenovo is turning out some innovative kit.
Oh wait...
You meant the company formerly know as Apple Computer.
Maybe the Mini will get some innovation this decade.
Kinda
Yea - those numbers will hold until October when Apple starts to break sales records again.
Lenovo is the same company that made the ThinkPad, which we used to call the StinkPad... like a slow boat anchor. HP is faster but looks like it came out of a gum ball machine.
The sales are coming.
Yea - those numbers will hold until October when Apple starts to break sales records again.
Lenovo is the same company that made the ThinkPad, which we used to call the StinkPad... like a slow boat anchor. HP is faster but looks like it came out of a gum ball machine.
The sales are coming.
I've been in the market for a new computer now. I keep going between an HP, Lenovo or a Mac Mini. I always liked HP computers though. I used those long before I ever got a Mac and never hd a problem with them.
It's not obsolete. Not even now. My mother has one, and when i have a chance to use it, it doesn't feel any different than iPad Air. Yes, it's heavier, that's about it. It is as fast as it was day1. Ios7 works great, no problems at all. Didn't feel any heat, ever. Must be because it's in the case. Wait, everybody has cases. Wait, i have the original iPad. That one is always freezing cold. Try using that one. A4 was a great chip.
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Where is my cheaply made, over priced Retina MacBook Pro? Oh it's on Apple's web site. really? You don't say.
Tell that to my 2007 iMac getting an SSD. It feels as snappy as my 2012 MBA. And you CLEARLY don't have a clue what you're talking about.
It all about price
Stack it high.....Sell it cheap. The average consumer is driven by price then along way down the road comes quality.
Stack it high.....Sell it cheap. The average consumer is driven by price then along way down the road comes quality.
Lenevo started out as a Chinese factory that built for IBM. IBM left the desktop market and sold off the factory to the Chinese. Next thing we know is we get news stories how Lenevo plans to dominate the entire world market of desktops (and laptops). Why is anyone surprised here? As long as we buy, they will continue.
Apple, Dell, HP and a couple of other makers might want to rethink their models for sales. Granted Apple has shifted over to more devices and linking communications but still no reason to not offer a strong competitor which include a GOOD low end model as well as reposition the Mini which turns out to be more than a simple cross over from PC computer. - Just an opinion.
Apple, Dell, HP and a couple of other makers might want to rethink their models for sales. Granted Apple has shifted over to more devices and linking communications but still no reason to not offer a strong competitor which include a GOOD low end model as well as reposition the Mini which turns out to be more than a simple cross over from PC computer. - Just an opinion.
People mostly buy Apple hardware just to be able to use OS X. If they don't need OS X, they won't buy Apple, simple as that. I needed a home theatre-home server machine. Did i buy apple? Of course not, i just built myself a 400$ perfect little computer that can contain 5-6 HDDs inside, running windows 7 or something and it's great. And don't even try telling me that apple hardware is premium or BS like that. The only premium thing they build as hardware are .. CASES lol. The rest they buy from everybody else. Btw, that new 400$ Pc is pretty much faster and better under any aspect than my 2007 iMac. But i'm still using the iMac. Cause i love OS X.
P.S. Talking about PCs i'm talking about self built PCs, when YOU choose what you build. Not lenovo or hp or anything like that, obviously.
P.S. Talking about PCs i'm talking about self built PCs, when YOU choose what you build. Not lenovo or hp or anything like that, obviously.
"The yeah, but it's Windows" argument doesn't hold much water for me. Windows 8.1 works pretty well for most things I've put it through.
I don't think that I have found a sufficient enough reason to stay with OS X for my family. For my 4 kids - there is no pen input, no touch screens, no tablet / Cintiq like form factor. They are enthralled with my two Surfaces, and they actually fight to use them. They can take notes on them for schoolwork, they can touch the screen and interact with them in interesting ways.
In a lot of ways, Apple is just being left in the dust from a variety of areas. PC manufacturers are starting to get fairly decent at making their machines these days. There are some good high end offerings, but they do cost just as much as a Mac (sometimes more so, oddly enough for those who claim PCs are cheaper).
But, I don't think people are seeing that there are real signs of danger.
IMO OS X's "killer app" at the moment is developing iOS apps, and I think there are enough old Mac Minis on the market to support that for now
As I said, for the first time in seven years, I am actually not interested in buying another Mac.
sure, build quality, weight and dimensions are nice on a macbook. but do they outweigh the performance the system can deliver? there is no problem with the build quality. what about it? apple-customer seem to think if a device is not made of aluminium, it falls apart when you touch it. weight and thinness, for me personally, isnt a factor. the macbook weight around 2 kilos, the schenker around 2.7 kilos. sure thats 700 grams more, but its still not a lot of weight in total to begin with. i dont hold it with one hand and type with the other while walking around anyway.
the standard warranty for schenker is 2 years. dont know about repair time, never had to use it.
also, there is a difference between pci-e and sata3, but its not huge.
and i didnt know i cant find intel core i7 in other computers...?!
the point is: if you're only looking for the best price-performance deal, there are far better options than a macbook. schenker isnt the only company offering custom laptops for a decent price. yeah they are not going to have the built quality of highend samsung or asus laptops or macbook, but you arent throwing your laptop at the ground or are stepping on it arent you. its been 5-6 years with my plastic samsung laptop and its perfectly fine to this day. built quality is nice, but overrated.
Apple doesn't make computers for the masses the same way they do for tablets. The prices have dropped but considering the specs of the macbook Air, it should be same if not cheaper than the iPad.
The ecosystem OSX is still obscure and unintuitive for anyone who isn't into knowing everything about their OS and still feels like a mess of different ideas. It is still better than windows 8.1.
I'm surprised by the figures!
Dell is the worst company and computer builder on the planet, I've had three laptops with dreadful faults but they were cheap.
HP has a good reputation but it's a sham of a company from product lines to website and customer care being non existent. Even down to buying their products being almost impossible unless you like third party retailers.
Lenovo i've had no experience of but seem to take care of their appearance and make machines that look nice to boot.
I suspect this jump in windows machines has come as those holding onto they windows 7 machines for dear life have finally had to upgrade and windows 8 is their only poison now. Even I didn't want a windows 8 laptop so went for a mac, though it's still there on bootcamp making my machine look ugly when i boot in for work tasks.
The ecosystem OSX is still obscure and unintuitive for anyone who isn't into knowing everything about their OS and still feels like a mess of different ideas. It is still better than windows 8.1.
I'm surprised by the figures!
Dell is the worst company and computer builder on the planet, I've had three laptops with dreadful faults but they were cheap.
HP has a good reputation but it's a sham of a company from product lines to website and customer care being non existent. Even down to buying their products being almost impossible unless you like third party retailers.
Lenovo i've had no experience of but seem to take care of their appearance and make machines that look nice to boot.
I suspect this jump in windows machines has come as those holding onto they windows 7 machines for dear life have finally had to upgrade and windows 8 is their only poison now. Even I didn't want a windows 8 laptop so went for a mac, though it's still there on bootcamp making my machine look ugly when i boot in for work tasks.
Cheaply made? Name me one laptop with as widely praised build quality as the MacBook pro. It may be overpriced (debatable) but it is in no way cheaply made.
I know Apple PC sales would increase by at least a few if they'd just release (or at least announce) a new Mac Mini already. I've been ready to buy for at least 6 months and am growing closer and closer to buying a Windows PC by the day. After the issues I've had with my 2009 iMac (and the fact that new imacs are unnecessarily difficult to work on) I refuse to buy an AIO unless it's a laptop. I want monitor independence!
cook was all about being COO...not CEO. He knows how to bring money in...but not innovator...that's steve's job.... anyway...job picked him, right?