Lenovo Passes Apple in U.S. PC Shipments As Worldwide Market Flatlines

[darkgoob]

So what is your point? not really understanding your point

His point is that Apple needs to innovate its product line and make things that people want. Like upgradeable RAM. User-replaceable hard drives. Matte screens.

I have owned five 15" Apple laptops since my first PowerBook G4 in 2001. But I will never, ever buy a computer without upgradeable RAM and without upgradeable storage. I likely would not buy without a built-in optical drive, either.

And worse, I can't recommend such a purchase to anyone I know, either. It's like saying, "Eat broken glass."

Apple used to seem to care about consumers, now it just views us as sheep who lap up whatever crap it throws in the trough. Because Apple "knows better" than us what we actually want. Yeah right.

Try reading some online reviews of Apple's latest iWork and iLife software. I heard the new Pages was called the worst software Apple has ever produced.

Apple's love of minimalism has led to a situation where they ran out of things to eliminate, so they just started eliminating features. It's like they told their design teams: "Find five things to eliminate from this design."

"But sir, there aren't five things in this design that are worth eliminating."

"Yes there are."

"But our customers won't like it. We'll lose sales."

"Eliminate those too. We don't want people who care about features as customers, we only want people who think we know better as customers. That way we can sell them whatever we want, and the extra profit margins will make up for the lost revenues."

"But sir, won't that have a bad long-term effect? Like, where people stop liking Apple?"

"We're the richest company in the world. I'll be retired by that point so I don't care."

"But what about our stockholders sir?"

"..."

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You obviously have very little experience in upgrading PC (Maybe because you never could upgrade because you were Mac user all the way?) or just clueless. Upgrading a video card or CPU alone can have significant difference in performance in gaming/rendering/compiling.

This is correct. I am SO glad I upgraded my 2012 MacBook Pro to 16GB RAM from 8. I also am glad I had the option to pick third-party ram with the fastest latency I could find, and it made a noticeable difference in my system's performance.

On my 2009 Mac Pro, I installed a made-for-PC NVIDIA 570 GTX card to upgrade my 285 GTX, and moved the 285 into a Hackintosh that I built for under $500 as a recording studio machine. The Mac Pro is much faster in 3D now and the Hackintosh is doing great as well.

Apple could make such a great consumer minitower machine and could really smash PC makers but it simply chooses not to.

 

[Trapezoid]

His point is that Apple needs to innovate its product line and make things that people want. Like upgradeable RAM. User-replaceable hard drives. Matte screens.

Your saying Apple doesn't make things people want?

I have owned five 15" Apple laptops since my first PowerBook G4 in 2001. But I will never, ever buy a computer without upgradeable RAM and without upgradeable storage. I likely would not buy without a built-in optical drive, either.

Yet millions do, all the time. Your needs are not everyone else's needs.

And worse, I can't recommend such a purchase to anyone I know, either. It's like saying, "Eat broken glass."

Then don't. That's a normal part of consumerism. I am sure there are people who don't recommend HP, LG, Samsung, Dell, Android...etc.

Apple used to seem to care about consumers, now it just views us as sheep who lap up whatever crap it throws in the trough. Because Apple "knows better" than us what we actually want. Yeah right.

Plenty of people still love Apple, though.

Try reading some online reviews of Apple's latest iWork and iLife software. I heard the new Pages was called the worst software Apple has ever produced.

I can find negative reviews of any product you name in the history of man.

Apple's love of minimalism has led to a situation where they ran out of things to eliminate, so they just started eliminating features. It's like they told their design teams: "Find five things to eliminate from this design."

What'd they eliminate?

"But sir, there aren't five things in this design that are worth eliminating."

What'd they eliminate?

"Yes there are."

What'd they eliminate?

"But our customers won't like it. We'll lose sales."

Sales are growing, actually.

"Eliminate those too. We don't want people who care about features as customers, we only want people who think we know better as customers. That way we can sell them whatever we want, and the extra profit margins will make up for the lost revenues."

What'd they eliminate?

"But sir, won't that have a bad long-term effect? Like, where people stop liking Apple?"

People are buying Apple now more than ever in their company's 30+ year history.

"We're the richest company in the world. I'll be retired by that point so I don't care."

Who is this imaginary person?

"But what about our stockholders sir?"

Their stock has been going up for well over a year now.

"..."

You gotta be honest with yourself. Why are you lying on a forum?

 

[brunosh]

klkkl

 

[kemal]

I really wish someone at Apple could convince me the current Macintosh computers are worth having.

 

[scottsjack]

Yet, a lot of people install bootcamp to use Windows and some just plainly installs Windows.

True. If Macs did not run Windows I would have at least one less Mac. If Office and Photoshop data were not cross-platform compatible I would not have any Macs at all.

 

[osofast240sx]

His point is that Apple needs to innovate its product line and make things that people want. Like upgradeable RAM. User-replaceable hard drives. Matte screens.

I have owned five 15" Apple laptops since my first PowerBook G4 in 2001. But I will never, ever buy a computer without upgradeable RAM and without upgradeable storage. I likely would not buy without a built-in optical drive, either.

And worse, I can't recommend such a purchase to anyone I know, either. It's like saying, "Eat broken glass."

Apple used to seem to care about consumers, now it just views us as sheep who lap up whatever crap it throws in the trough. Because Apple "knows better" than us what we actually want. Yeah right.

Try reading some online reviews of Apple's latest iWork and iLife software. I heard the new Pages was called the worst software Apple has ever produced.

Apple's love of minimalism has led to a situation where they ran out of things to eliminate, so they just started eliminating features. It's like they told their design teams: "Find five things to eliminate from this design."

"But sir, there aren't five things in this design that are worth eliminating."

"Yes there are."

"But our customers won't like it. We'll lose sales."

"Eliminate those too. We don't want people who care about features as customers, we only want people who think we know better as customers. That way we can sell them whatever we want, and the extra profit margins will make up for the lost revenues."

"But sir, won't that have a bad long-term effect? Like, where people stop liking Apple?"

"We're the richest company in the world. I'll be retired by that point so I don't care."

"But what about our stockholders sir?"

"..."

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This is correct. I am SO glad I upgraded my 2012 MacBook Pro to 16GB RAM from 8. I also am glad I had the option to pick third-party ram with the fastest latency I could find, and it made a noticeable difference in my system's performance.

On my 2009 Mac Pro, I installed a made-for-PC NVIDIA 570 GTX card to upgrade my 285 GTX, and moved the 285 into a Hackintosh that I built for under $500 as a recording studio machine. The Mac Pro is much faster in 3D now and the Hackintosh is doing great as well.

Apple could make such a great consumer minitower machine and could really smash PC makers but it simply chooses not to.

I have to really disagree with you most of the complainants all pro consumers not your average consumer

 

[Oracle1729]

Quality, not quantity.

Quality like 2012 mini hardware at 2012 prices...in 2014?

Quality like a shiny new 2014 iMac that has worse performance than an entry level 2012 mini? And has all laptop parts in a desktop??

I gave up on a mini and bought a Haswell i7 months ago. I can't be the only one and Apple is actively trying to throw away market share.

Even with double digit market share loss in a market that grew 7.4%, Apple is still doing surprising good. But that inertia can only last so long in the face of the garbage they're selling.

 

[alent1234]

You obviously have very little experience in upgrading PC (Maybe because you never could upgrade because you were Mac user all the way?) or just clueless. Upgrading a video card or CPU alone can have significant difference in performance in gaming/rendering/compiling.

Every two years Intel changes its cup line where you need a new motherboard and ram. Always been that way

 

[carjakester]

ive had a few dell computers and they were ok, lenovo were alright, HP was complete crap and have no idea how they are so high up on that list.

 

[tdale]

Apple is not about dominating the share of shipments/units sold market, it about dominating the share of the profit market. The many other firms are pumping out vast numbers of cheaper units and writing red or thin black margins.

Yes. Apple is more interested in its profits than its users, so when a user wants an Apple, and the features are not there they go elsewhere. The utterings of other brands being rubbish is merely fan anecdotal. So a reduction in market share is perfectly fine

 

[Marlor]

We bought dozens of Lenovo PCs in the past quarter.

All of them were to replace superseded XP machines.

It was an unusual quarter for companies in ICT procurement, that's for sure.

 

[tdale]

His point is that Apple needs to innovate its product line and make things that people want. Like upgradeable RAM. User-replaceable hard drives. Matte screens.

I have owned five 15" Apple laptops since my first PowerBook G4 in 2001. But I will never, ever buy a computer without upgradeable RAM and without upgradeable storage. I likely would not buy without a built-in optical drive, either.

And worse, I can't recommend such a purchase to anyone I know, either. It's like saying, "Eat broken glass."

Apple used to seem to care about consumers, now it just views us as sheep who lap up whatever crap it throws in the trough. Because Apple "knows better" than us what we actually want. Yeah right.

Try reading some online reviews of Apple's latest iWork and iLife software. I heard the new Pages was called the worst software Apple has ever produced.

Apple's love of minimalism has led to a situation where they ran out of things to eliminate, so they just started eliminating features. It's like they told their design teams: "Find five things to eliminate from this design."

"But sir, there aren't five things in this design that are worth eliminating."

"Yes there are."

"But our customers won't like it. We'll lose sales."

"Eliminate those too. We don't want people who care about features as customers, we only want people who think we know better as customers. That way we can sell them whatever we want, and the extra profit margins will make up for the lost revenues."

"But sir, won't that have a bad long-term effect? Like, where people stop liking Apple?"

"We're the richest company in the world. I'll be retired by that point so I don't care."

"But what about our stockholders sir?"

"..."

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This is correct. I am SO glad I upgraded my 2012 MacBook Pro to 16GB RAM from 8. I also am glad I had the option to pick third-party ram with the fastest latency I could find, and it made a noticeable difference in my system's performance.

On my 2009 Mac Pro, I installed a made-for-PC NVIDIA 570 GTX card to upgrade my 285 GTX, and moved the 285 into a Hackintosh that I built for under $500 as a recording studio machine. The Mac Pro is much faster in 3D now and the Hackintosh is doing great as well.

Apple could make such a great consumer minitower machine and could really smash PC makers but it simply chooses not to.

I tend to agree. Apple relies on us iSheep being loyal, and to make great profits, so spec,and range wise they are behind, so sales of other brands are doing better. It really isn't about satisfying us consumers its about profits.

Little things such as my rMBP has only two USB ports. It has two TB ports where the drives or docks are through the roof in price. Like buying a state of the art HDTV with 2 HDMI ports

 

[Trapezoid]

I tend to agree. Apple relies on us iSheep being loyal, and to make great profits, so spec,and range wise they are behind, so sales of other brands are doing better. It really isn't about satisfying us consumers its about profits.

Little things such as my rMBP has only two USB ports. It has two TB ports where the drives or docks are through the roof in price. Like buying a state of the art HDTV with 2 HDMI ports

With all due respect, if you're buying something that you don't want, you're getting ripped off big time. You should probably grow a backbone...its ok to tell the salesman no.

 

[MellowFuzz]

The price of entry into the Apple ecosystem is too high but mostly I still blame it on the entrenched need to get a Windows machine to do work in most work environments because of software. Apple has never sought to create a easier (or any) migration path from .NET to OS X - it's always been take it or leave it and most work environments said "leave it". Plus, you can factor in the capriciousness of Apple's product development and support practices.

 

[GhostRaider]

How many of those PCs sold will end up as hackintoshes lol? I purchased a Gateway laptop years ago and made it run OS X. Honestly I was shocked how easy it was to do it. It only costed me around $500.

Of course I bought a MacBook Pro in the end because I wanted the real thing. Best purchase I've made. I still use my old hackintosh everyday since works fine for me. Haven't had any issues.

Honestly should it matter if Apple sells many Macs in the end? People buy PCs cause its cheaper. Apple can sell millions of Macs at anytime if they wanted to. All they have to do is lower their prices. But for me, it was worth purchasing for one, because of the operating system, and two, the design. Better than that plastic crap. Don't get me started on finding those drivers too everytime you upgrade Windows.

 

[tdale]

With all due respect, if you're buying something that you don't want, you're getting ripped off big time. You should probably grow a backbone...its ok to tell the salesman no.

Pray tell, where did I say that I bought something I didn't want?

 

[jayducharme]

especially the government market which seeks to save taxpayer dollars.

Funniest statement I've heard in a long time.

 

[Trapezoid]

Pray tell, where did I say that I bought something I didn't want?

You said that Apple doesn't care about its consumers, and you also admitted you own Apple products. So you're saying you WANT products made by companies that don't care about their consumers? I'm confused now, but would love a clarification.

 

[brendu]

I really wish someone at Apple could convince me the current Macintosh computers are worth having.

I'm glad they can't. Honestly. I am glad that my 2009 MacBook pro and Mac Mini are still running the newest OS and running it well. Part of the reason apple isn't selling more macs is because for the past 5 years macs have been so good they haven't needed to be replaced by average users.

 

[kevintheartist]

How the hell is HP number one? I understand Lenovo doing well and can even see why dell is but HP is a horribly messy company flailing around trying to get back on track and their products are not great at all.

If I had to guess, I would say businesses were upgrading? Not sure but that's my though

 

[shabanga]

People mostly buy Apple hardware just to be able to use OS X. If they don't need OS X, they won't buy Apple, simple as that. I needed a home theatre-home server machine. Did i buy apple? Of course not, i just built myself a 400$ perfect little computer that can contain 5-6 HDDs inside, running windows 7 or something and it's great. And don't even try telling me that apple hardware is premium or BS like that. The only premium thing they build as hardware are .. CASES lol. The rest they buy from everybody else. Btw, that new 400$ Pc is pretty much faster and better under any aspect than my 2007 iMac. But i'm still using the iMac. Cause i love OS X.

P.S. Talking about PCs i'm talking about self built PCs, when YOU choose what you build. Not lenovo or hp or anything like that, obviously.

I assume you're talking about a PC minus the 5-6 drives. I've been looking at a similar setup to replace my NAS/Media Server and the 5-6 drives alone come out to more than $400 (of course 5-6 drives inside ANY mac is pretty much impossible).

 

[Trapezoid]

If I had to guess, I would say businesses were upgrading? Not sure but that's my though

Seems legit, although if you read some of the comments here it'd be because Apple was collapsing onto itself like a dying star lol.

 

[RickInHouston]

Bet they will be next year.

I'll take that bet.

 

[coolfactor]

Doesn't really matter. Every Mac has more profit in it than 3 Lenovo PCs combined, I'm sure. So if you multiplied the Mac marketshare x 3, who would come out on top?

 

[coolfactor]

His point is that Apple needs to innovate its product line and make things that people want. Like upgradeable RAM. User-replaceable hard drives. Matte screens.

Says who? Says you. What percentage of the market does this represent?

I have owned five 15" Apple laptops since my first PowerBook G4 in 2001.

And Apple thanks you.

Apple used to seem to care about consumers, now it just views us as sheep who lap up whatever crap it throws in the trough. Because Apple "knows better" than us what we actually want. Yeah right.

It's probably more about finding a good balance between form, function and price than being arrogant, as you're suggesting.

Try reading some online reviews of Apple's latest iWork and iLife software. I heard the new Pages was called the worst software Apple has ever produced.

The new iWork, particularly Pages IS definitely to a disappointment. Not because it's poorly designed, but because much-needed features like linked text-boxes were DROPPED and still have not been added back. It's very disappointing! But, that said, the previous Pages app was *not* uninstalled if the user had it, so they can continue to use it as they always have. Had the new Pages *replaced* the older pages, that would've been a very bad move, but that wasn't the case.

Apple's love of minimalism has led to a situation where they ran out of things to eliminate, so they just started eliminating features. It's like they told their design teams: "Find five things to eliminate from this design."

Okay, we stopped listening to you now.