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Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by rjcalifornia, Jul 3, 2013.
So how old is Leopard? I mean when was the last update released?
Security Update 2011-004 was released July 24, 2011. That was the last security update.
August 5, 2009 was the release of 10.5.8.
August 2009 - last incremental release, i.e. 10.5.8
March 2012 - Last security update (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1533?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US) Intel-only
June 2012 - Last update of iTunes, i.e. 10.6.3 and of Airport Utility
Since the end of 2012, Apple no longer develops any software or updates for Leopard or PowerPC.
Oh, when I stated the last security update was July 2011, I hadn't even thought about Intel machines.
Ok, so technically, we are running a not so outdated Operating System, right?
Security-wise, it's 2 years old.
I couldn't care less. Don't do do anything that I would be concerned about anyone stealing, and the things that require rely on up-to-date software that I use.
I couldn't agree more and I use Linux on my work Desktop (Intel of course) so am not an anti-Linux guy by any means. For PowerPC though it's just not worth the effort, if you want to use Linux get a cheap Intel machine and use it to it's fullest, most supported, no application restrictions capability.
That was a small and exceptional update though. It only cured a specific Java problem. The one you mentioned probably was the last 'real' one.
My G4 has become barely useful on the internet, even when I use all kinds tricks (like using mobile websites). Why would I want to wait 20 seconds for a page to load when I have machine that loads websites almost instantly? PowerPC Macs aren't too safe either. That being said there's a lot of other stuff a computer can do besides surfing the web.
Are you using the stock Safari browser?
If so…why? There's Leopard Webkit and there's Aurorafox/TenFourFox. Roccat is also updated frequently. The last two are updated frequently. TenFourFox 22 was just released a few days ago. It's secure.
Again, the browsers I named above. If you are still using Safari, I can't help you.
TenFourFox/Aurorafox, Leopard Webkit, Roccat.
You're making it sound like if you use a PowerPC Mac to access the Internet you are immediately exposing everything about yourself and that anyone can just invade your computer and take over.
That's not the case. And if it's viruses your worried about, Sophos Antivirus which runs on PowerPC Mac and is udated daily. Or ClamX antivirus which also runs on PowerPC.
Leopard also has a firewall.
Very true. Like, in my case putting out newspapers weekly to include ad design, pagination, legals and classifieds using Adobe CS4 and Acrobat 9 Pro.
I use Safari, Tenfourfox and Camino (but not Roccat). Only simple websites work well enough for me. I tend to use the mobile version of Facebook (and other complex websites) since the standard websites are simply too slow, especially whilst running other apps or websites at the same time. It would surprise me to see much difference with Roccat.
Yeah, I tend to use my G4 a lot for accessing my pictures and word processing files on my Dropbox, using my printer etc. So I'm definitely not saying the machine is worthless. However the internet got extremely complex; running a video on a website is terribly slow for me, while one the other hand non-HD video's work great in QuickTime.
I go to heavy flashed/java pages while downloading stuff using transmission and listening to spotify... on a powerbook G4, so clearly you are doing something not quite right (like using slow browsers for example)
Btw, I feel VERY SECURE using webkit 537 and 10.5.8 online
In my case YouTube barely worked (ultimately I simply removed Flash completely). Now I even find Google Search not working as fluid as it should...
Are you using adblock in Safari, by any chance? It is a terrible resource hog, especially on powerpc.
Also, I see that the Mac Mini in your signature and my eMac are very close relatives, the main difference being the amount of installed ram. My machine has always worked very smoothly even when it had 1GB of ram, so I don't think the problem is in the hardware.
As for Youtube, Leopard Webkit (with the advanced features enabled) + ClickToPlugin should work well on most video sites. And there are even more efficient ways to watch online videos if you use TenFourFox / AuroraFox + MPlayer.
I second with adblock plus. Remove it from Safari.
I have suffered so much memory being used with Safari and also with so much CPU cycles. My Safari is unusable. Digging the internet for information lead me to uninstalling all the extensions and deleting the flash plugin. I don't view flash videos anyway. I use glimmerblocker, it is stand alone and it does not interfere with Safari. Now, my Safari on my PB is sleeker than ever and quite fast, it might be faster than my Camino. But I have no way of telling.
I'm willing to sacrafice a bit of speed for customization. I use Aurorafox/TFF with a lot of plugins, but Flash is not one of them. If I want to see a video I'll use Camino or Safari for that.
I've optimized my browser as much as I can, tweaking the setttings and it's still pretty fast. This is on a 1Ghz PowerBook G4 with 2GB ram, but a failed external cache (which I am told limits processing power directly to the CPU, i.e., no caching). My G5 really has no issues.
One of the things I did find out yesterday that's helped was the removal of AdBlockPlus. Now, I'm a big fan of ABP, but apparently the later versions are resource hogs and I didn't know it. There is however, a fork of that extension called AdBlock Edge so I've installed that. Things have sped up considerably.
If speed is what matters to you though I would suggest Stainless or Demeter. Both webkit, both blazing fast. Of course, they aren't secure but at this point most of us are using a variety of browsers to accomplish certain tasks.
Thanks for the tips. I'm currently using an Intel Mac but I"ll try some of your suggestions when I return to my home desk.
That's actually an advantage - nobody's wasting their time finding security exploits in systems that admittedly aren't used as much anymore.
I used to use a combination of Aurora and TenFourFox, but now that I discovered how to reenable flash in TenFourFox, it's my only browser (since AuroraFox was basically the same with the exception of flash).
HTML5 slower than Flash LOL. Flash was never fast.
I more than agree, I even removed the flash plugin on my intel macs. My life is flash free. lol.
macromedia flash player
Good luck playing flash videos, flash games, and using websites that rely on Flash player
I don't care much about web browsing and watching flash based videos. I read. Call me old school but I prefer to read. Except MR and news sites. I don't care much about anything on the web.
Sometimes you need to unplug and enjoy life as it is. You will miss the fun if you tie yourself up infront of the computer.
I use my computers for work. Some those are being used by my kids. And I dont encourage them to play computer based games. I wanted them to be physical and have a real life interaction with real life human beings.
Don't worry I know what I've been missing - terrible software. Even Adobe thinks Flash is near EOL and will be superceded by the much faster and better HTML5.
Of course you have the right to prefer flash over html5 it's just.... a little "unusual"