Leopard GM Build, Apple Retail Sales Launch, Free T-Shirts

[guzhogi]

I wonder if the Leopard Discs would be full installs or just upgrade DVDs? It would kinda suck to do a clean install if they were just upgrade DVDs. You first have to install Tiger and then Leopard. I remember that was the case when 10.2 came out: my university just got new G4 iMacs w/ 10.2 upgrade disks. If I wanted to wipe out my hard drive and start fresh, I had to install 10.1 & and then install 10.2. That was awful.

 

[Deefuzz]

Sweetness, I hope the Apple stores here have tshirts a-plenty!

 

[iBunny]

Yes, you do sound like an ass.
Wow… what an atitude… or is there an off-chance you were being "funny"?

lol yeah. Most of the time I serve outside of the US anyway.

I think with the technology we have today, every launch should be worldwide.

 

[twoodcc]

i'll be there, getting my free tshirt. do you have to buy leopard to get the shirt?

so what do you think? you get the shirt for just showing up?

 

[InLikeALion]

I wonder if the Leopard Discs would be full installs or just upgrade DVDs? It would kinda suck to do a clean install if they were just upgrade DVDs. You first have to install Tiger and then Leopard. I remember that was the case when 10.2 came out: my university just got new G4 iMacs w/ 10.2 upgrade disks. If I wanted to wipe out my hard drive and start fresh, I had to install 10.1 & and then install 10.2. That was awful.

There is a trick that works on previous versions of Windows upgrades - you put in the upgrade disc on a new system, and when it says it needs to verify the previous OS, you could pop out the Windows Upgrade, pop in a copy of older Windows, let it verify, then pop it back out, put in the Upgrade again, and let it roll. I wonder if this works with OS X as well?

 

[Orng]

T-shirts are SO September 10. Who wears a logo shirt anymore?

Give me a canvas bag with the Leopard logo. The grocery store sells 'em for two bucks, they can't be that expensive.

Then, if I'm not walking out of the grocery store every week carrying my produce in an OS X ad, then my wife will be carrying a knitting project around in it.

 

[vassillios]

My only guess is that they will be shipping starting mid next week and doing either next day air or two day shipping. If not, I don't know how they are planning on doing it. I do know that I will be very angry if I do not get Leopard on or before the 26th.

You can see what kind of shipping is included my going to your account and clicking on View Order Details, shipping method is on the left...mine says "Priority Overnite".

 

[hadleydb]

WOOT! WOOT! WOOT! Leopard can howell at the full moon on Friday the 26th!!!

 

[welshy1812]

I know it sounds like im being an ass but...

Who cares about if this is going to ship outside the US on the 26th? Everyone is so worried about other countries. Im pretty amazed. You should know that everything is going to be released in the US first, then make its way to your country.

You do realise that it will be released in the UK before the US? Other places will get it before the UK as well.

...and yes, you are an ass.

I just read your next post, fair enough!

 

[arkitect]

WOOT! WOOT! WOOT! Leopard can howell at the full moon on Friday the 26th!!!

It's a Leopard… not a wolf… Leopards don't howl, in fact they are pretty quiet predators.

 

[vassillios]

Not sure about that -- I think it should be pretty clean. After all, you won't have established any prefs and so on.

If you want to be sure, archive and install would be better. You'll have a folder with your old Tiger stuff, but you could just trash that. That way you won't have to reinstall the bundled applications (iLife 08, MS office trial version, and so on).

If you do a clean install, it'll be more work, because you'll have to reinstall iLife at a minimum.

you should do a clean install, especially if booting for the very first time. When doing a clean install, you can choose not to install certain languages and/or printer drivers....which can save a considerable amount of space.

 

[dogtanian]

You do realise that it will be released in the UK before the US? Other places will get it before the UK as well.

...and yes, you are an ass.

I just read your next post, fair enough!

LOL, didn't think about that.

And also, would anybody 'actually' wear this free XXXL T shirt? I do hope not...

 

[Eric Lewis]

and

anything on Canada?

 

[goosnarrggh]

There is a trick that works on previous versions of Windows upgrades - you put in the upgrade disc on a new system, and when it says it needs to verify the previous OS, you could pop out the Windows Upgrade, pop in a copy of older Windows, let it verify, then pop it back out, put in the Upgrade again, and let it roll. I wonder if this works with OS X as well?

The retail boxed version of Leopard can be used to freshly install an OS on my wiped-clean PowerBook. I see no reason to expect that they'd want to act differently for Leopard.

I've seen this question raised before, but I didn't see an answer:
How is Apple able to distribute a single DVD that will be bootable on both PPC and Intel computers? I understand that once the OS is up and running it can read the metadata at the beginning of a Universal Binary to decide where to look for the appropriate files for its architecture. But is the same mechanism in place in the boot code of all eligible Macs? Or is Apple selling a double-sided DVD? Or a two-disc set?

 

[goosnarrggh]

anything on Canada?

The Canadian online Apple Store has the same October 26 delivery offer as the US Store for pre-orders.

As far as buying Leopard at Apple company stores... Well, that's irrelevant for me because I don't live close enough to Toronto or Laval to justify the trip just to buy 1 item.

Now, authorized resellers... Well, this local store's front page seems to suggest that they'll be selling on October 26 along with the company stores. We'll see.
http://www.pcmedic.com/index.html

 

[Orng]

WOOT! WOOT! WOOT! Leopard can howell at the full moon on Friday the 26th!!!

It's a Leopard… not a wolf… Leopards don't howl, in fact they are pretty quiet predators.

Strictly speaking, they don't Howell either. Unless it just ate Thurston and Lovey.

Gilligan!

 

[OldBobsledGuy]

subsidized t-shirt...

Your "free" tee shirt is subsidized by the iPhone early adopters...

I look forward to updating to leopard but will wait...

 

[0098386]

T-shirts are SO September 10.

What?

 

[beez1717]

so If I preorder it, will I get it before most of the world?

If I buy a new mac, will I get it before most of the world, and most importantly, Will I get a "free 13-inch laptop with Mac OS X Leopard"?


LOLS!!!?!!!

The retail boxed version of Leopard can be used to freshly install an OS on my wiped-clean PowerBook. I see no reason to expect that they'd want to act differently for Leopard.

I've seen this question raised before, but I didn't see an answer:
How is Apple able to distribute a single DVD that will be bootable on both PPC and Intel computers? I understand that once the OS is up and running it can read the metadata at the beginning of a Universal Binary to decide where to look for the appropriate files for its architecture. But is the same mechanism in place in the boot code of all eligible Macs? Or is Apple selling a double-sided DVD? Or a two-disc set?

I think that what will happen is this: Leopard is a Universal App of sorts, just small differences in the dependencies are what make them diffrerent.

 

[hadleydb]

It's a Leopard… not a wolf… Leopards don't howl, in fact they are pretty quiet predators.

Oh yeah... I guess I'm just thinking of Halloween lol. What if Steve Jobs turns into a Werewolf and hands out free copies of Leopard unknowingly!

On a more serious note: Anyone dressing up as Leopards and dancing around the Apple store?

 

[nvbrit]

I know it sounds like im being an ass but...

Who cares about if this is going to ship outside the US on the 26th? Everyone is so worried about other countries. Im pretty amazed. You should know that everything is going to be released in the US first, then make its way to your country.

WOW, what a complete ASS you are. What you think because you live in the US that you are special and people in other countries are somehow 'lower' than you. I live in the US but I do not in anyway think that someone in Franch, Denmark, England, Japan or wherever deserves anything less. As far as WHO CARES about shipping to other countries on the 26th, the people in the other countires care you idiot!

 

[Orng]

T-shirts are SO September 10. Who wears a logo shirt anymore?

Give me a canvas bag with the Leopard logo.

What?

Do I really have to explain this?

In simpler times, ie. sept 10 and earlier, all we cared about was OJ Simpson, what Britney was wearing, and Presidential interns, and people appreciated a free logo shirt.

But now, we live in dangerous days; a whole new OJ trial, watching Britney self-destruct, defining "intern" in terminology the President would understand... we have a LOT more on our minds, which is why we are less dazzled by free XXL logo shirts, but we would probably line up for the chance to bring our groceries home in a canvas bag with a Leopard ad on it.

Admittedly, this could probably be just a personal preference brought on by the big 3-0, but it's not completely wrong; more savvy consumers need to be bribed into carrying around ads in new and engaging ways, I don't want to toss out another t-shirt, give me something I'll use a lot.

 

[Peace]

You will be getting the update disks, NOT the full version that Apple is selling for $129. If you ever need to re-install Leopard you will not be able to do it with update disk unless you install Tiger (or the previous OS) first. And that's a pain in the ass.

This is the Apple world not Windows.

A. The "upgrade disk" for Leopard is the retail version of Leopard.No difference.
B. When you buy a Mac you get whats called "install disks".Usually 2.
The first disk normally holds the O/S and disk two has iLife'08.

There IS NO difference between an "upgrade disk" and a "retail disk"

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When Tiger was released Developers were the last to get a hard copy.Consumers got it first.Developers got Tiger client and server in a sleeve mailed to them around the same time the monthly ADC mailing goes out.

And I believe the GM of Tiger wasn't available for download until a week after the retail version was shipped.It may have been the same way with Panther and Jaguar before that.I forget.

Companies like Adobe already have a GM build of the newest version.
When Apple declares a GM they normally send copies to the top-tier vendors like Adobe and Microsoft to insure compatibility.

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Apple will make sure Leopard is at your door on the 26th because it's sort of a tradition in Apple land that everybody gets to go ooooooo and ahhhhhhh at the same time.Plus or minus a day or two depending on whether or not the end user lives in a major market area.If you live out in the sticks you can expect a delay of a day due to the irregular routing.

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In the case of Apple's O/S this is one time when it's really "mostly" made in the USA with duplication plants stamping out the disks as we sit here typing.This is one reason people in the U.S. normally receive shipment first.

 

[Taylor C]

Apple has posted a 27min Guided Tour for Leopard. http://www.apple.com/macosx/guidedtour/

 

[milo]

Oh.. please. There are plenty of builds out there. And GM isn't just some miracle build. It is just one incremental build over the previous build. Leopard can be had at several sources, though I don't encourage it.

There are plenty of builds, but many potential pirates want the GM and not just any late build since they'd end up having to go to the trouble of reinstalling. In the past, there has been rampant piracy of the GM version before release since it was available outside the company. Looks like this time apple made a good call if the retail version still hasn't leaked yet.

There will definitely be an early torrent of it, probably a day or two early at least, but that's better than it being out a couple weeks early like in the past.

So does this mean Adobe has not yet begun testing compatibility?

Nope, it just means Adobe is testing compatibility as they have been for the last few months, on the latest released beta. Which is probably 99.999% identical to the GM.

I don't think they did with Tiger either.

I'm pretty sure they did, they just didn't declare it GM until after they had shipped it to devs.

You will be getting the update disks, NOT the full version that Apple is selling for $129. If you ever need to re-install Leopard you will not be able to do it with update disk unless you install Tiger (or the previous OS) first. And that's a pain in the ass.

There's no such thing as "update disks", all OSX install disks will install from scratch onto a blank drive. I don't think ANY OSX install disk has required having an earlier version of the OS installed. What they may be is disks that aren't universal installs for any machine, but disks that only work on that particular model. But with apple cutting the deadline so close, that's unlikely. They'll probably just include the standard 10.5 disks and switch to machine specific ones later.