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Leopard Mac OS X 10.5 9A321 Screenshots

boxlight said:
I'm using Tiger and I honestly don't see anything (except maybe "Spaces") that makes me want to upgrade to Leopard.

I really hope that "top secret" stuff is compelling because so far the prospect of upgrading is lacking that killer element.
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I tottttallllllyyyy agree. There is nothing I have seen in screenshots/forum posts that:

a) interests me too much (do I know what the heck ZFT or whatever does?)
b) Looks cooler and is something I neeeeed.

Even time machine doesn't look like its any better than the Retrospect Points I can create with my Maxtor external.
 
Aniej said:
You are dead on here. i feel like I am back in middle school working on my first calendar when I am entering business meetings on iCal, there is so much that could and should be done.
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Yea - you got that right! Go from the calendar in Microsoft Outlook to iCal and it's like going from the Space Shuttle to playing with a baby's toy. iCal sucks and Apple could do way better. Is the Apple campus just full of pot smoke 24/7? Don't get me wrong, I love pot smoke, but there's a time and a place for it :D
 
MacVault said:
You've got that right, unfortunately. These Leopard pics better not represent the UI of the final release or I'm gonna run my new Mac through I wood chipper and post the video on YouTube and send it to Steve Jobs.

Apple could do SO MUCH BETTER than the current UI. I have no idea why they don't. Hopefully they're just hiding it til the expo.
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Dude, I think you need some valium or something. ;) The UI in these screenshots really don't look all that different than the current UI.
 
My thought is that Time Machine on a standard HFS filesystem would require a nightly backup, but ZFS filesystems would allow for continuous backups. (ZFS Snapshots)
Now maybe this will be how Leopard will be deployed, or maybe they will wait until ZFS has boot support (ZFS Limitations) to implement the continuous backup feature.
 
motulist said:
Dude, I think you need some valium or something. ;) The UI in these screenshots really don't look all that different than the current UI.
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Umm... I believe MacVault dislikes the UI as it is now, in Tiger... and, therefore, the little-changed Leopard version too.
 
motulist said:
Dude, I think you need some valium or something. ;) The UI in these screenshots really don't look all that different than the current UI.
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Yes, that's right - they don't look much different, if at all, and that is the problem! We need a NEW (different) UI than tiger, and I'm not seeing that in these leaked pics. :mad: :mad: :mad:

wrldwzrd89 said:
Umm... I believe MacVault dislikes the UI as it is now, in Tiger... and, therefore, the little-changed Leopard version too.
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At least somebody understands me!
 
Here's the awesome thing about Time Machine once it uses a ZFS file system. Not only can you go back to a version of a document as it existed yesterday, but you can also go forward to a version of a file as it would exist tomorrow! So if you have a long difficult report that's due today, all you have to do is fire up Time Machine and set it to give you the file as it will exist tomorrow once you've finished the report! And you're telling me 10.5 has no killer feature that makes you have to buy it?!?!
 
MacVault said:
Yea - you got that right! Go from the calendar in Microsoft Outlook to iCal and it's like going from the Space Shuttle to playing with a baby's toy. iCal sucks and Apple could do way better. Is the Apple campus just full of pot smoke 24/7? Don't get me wrong, I love pot smoke, but there's a time and a place for it :D
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AHAHAHAH!!

Anyway, are these pics supposed to be out or some nasty developer decided to break the "contract"? (if there is one).
I figure that Apple knows that people always end up breaking the secrecy pact and this time they are really holding on to the "top-secret" features, at least this is what I tell myself so I don't bash the current Leopard builds (sorry, but it looks exactly like Tiger) :D

IMO there's a lot to be done, and Apple can do it, we just have to wait for MWSF, if they don't have something really amazing up their sleeve regarding Leopard we will be very disappointed.
Still, TimeMachine and Spaces are time savers, I look forward to them, the question is: are they worth 129$? :)
 
Is Apple Listening?

I sure hope someone from Apple reads these Mac forums, preferably Steve Jobs himself. Otherwise how will they know what we want? Does anyone know if there's any better/official way to get our point across to Apple?
 
motulist said:
Here's the awesome thing about Time Machine once it uses a ZFT file system. Not only can you go back to a version of a document as it existed yesterday, but you can also go forward to a version of a file as it would exist tomorrow! So if you have a long difficult report that's due today, all you have to do is fire up Time Machine and set it to give you the file as it will exist tomorrow once you've finished the report! And you're telling me 10.5 has no killer feature that makes you have to buy it?!?!
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We all know that this story ends with cranking the knob way too far into the future and seeing a grim tale in which humanity has bankrupt itself and is living in trees again. :eek: ;) :D

Back on topic though... what do people think about Quick Look? It seems like a much more elegant version of something Microsoft did a number of years back. That being said, it certainly speaks to Apple's continued interest in that window look, as it appears in iPhoto, iTunes, and now Finder. I wonder, in the end, what the role of Preview is if this does so many things? Just to view PDFs? Because Preview lost some of its basic image editing features (such as scaling images) with Tiger.
 
motulist said:
Here's the awesome thing about Time Machine once it uses a ZFT file system. Not only can you go back to a version of a document as it existed yesterday, but you can also go forward to a version of a file as it would exist tomorrow! So if you have a long difficult report that's due today, all you have to do is fire up Time Machine and set it to give you the file as it will exist tomorrow once you've finished the report! And you're telling me 10.5 has no killer feature that makes you have to buy it?!?!
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Cool! I'll have to try that out. But do you know if we can also use Time Machine to go into the future and GET A FREEKIN WELL-DESIGNED UI FOR OS X???? If it can do that I'll buy it! Otherwise my Mac is going into the wood chipper!

By the way... it's ZFS. Not ZFT.
 
I think Leopard is looking really nice! Time Machine looks awesome and the new screensavers look like fun. :) As for all you people complaining about no new Finder interface... calm down. Didn't Steve say on stage at WWDC that there are some "top secret" features we have yet to see? Be patient...
 
MacVault said:
Cool! I'll have to try that out. But do you know if we can also use Time Machine to go into the future and GET A FREEKIN WELL-DESIGNED UI FOR OS X???? If it can do that I'll buy it! Otherwise my Mac is going into the wood chipper!

By the way... it's ZFS. Not ZFT.
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That shows how much we've heard about this new ZFS before now, I couldn't even remember the initials. Corrected the original post, thanks.
 
*yawns* Its Tiger with a fresh coat of paint and a new wing built onto the house. Micro-updates do not impress me. If you are going to do that roll it into a service pack and give it to the end user for free. Wake me when Apple decides to give its "house" a serious update. :(
 
MacVault said:
..."my Mac is going into the wood chipper!"
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YEAH!! make it worst!! Send it to my adress!! I'll destroy it for you! Is it a Mac Pro? if it is send it tomorrow because I'm only gonna have the "Mac Pro Torture Kit" for the next 4 or 5 days!! :D

I can only hope for a new UI and a new Finder.
 
SiliconAddict said:
*yawns* Its Tiger with a fresh coat of paint and a new wing built onto the house. Micro-updates do not impress me. If you are going to do that roll it into a service pack and give it to the end user for free. Wake me when Apple decides to give its "house" a serious update. :(
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Yea, same here. Micro-updates ? Major upgrade. Now ZFS I would say is a major update, but that by itself does not warrant a Major upgrade. Wake me up when Apple decides to get serious.

Nym said:
YEAH!! make it worst!! Send it to my adress!! I'll destroy it for you! Is it a Mac Pro? if it is send it tomorrow because I'm only gonna have the "Mac Pro Torture Kit" for the next 4 or 5 days!! :D

I can only hope for a new UI and a new Finder.
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Yea, it's a Mac Pro 16-Core Quad 500GB RAM 100 TB Hard drive. But it's no good without a good UI. Vista sucks. Tiger sucks. And Leopard, well we'll see soon, but I'm warmin up the old Fargo wood chipper!
 
ZFS is a Sun invention. The code for this and dtrace (another new feature) came out of the opensolaris.org project. I make my living on Sun boxes so seeing these technologies make it to my personal computing platform of choice is very cool.

ZFS is a "ground-up" file system. Everything is "copy on write" so nothing gets overwritten unless space needs to be reclaimed. It uses a tree structure to point to data so a snapshot is really just a copy of the uberblock prior to the write (which in turn points to the other leaves in the tree, which point to the original data). The snapshot lives in the filesystem so it's accessible to the user.

Rather than using just one or two filesystems ZFS is designed to have hundreds. Rather than make a new directory you can make a new filesystem. All the filesystems can share the same storage pool but the end effect is individual directories can have their own characteristics; i.e. snapshots, quotas, permissions....

It's very cool stuff.
 
Aniej said:
I mean beaches are a great addition to the screensaver and all, but seriously do some cool, and much requested, changes to the RSS feed in terms of the number and ability to aggregate different feeds. I will supply the beach shot if it is helpful so that they can focus on the RSS.:D

*I had to modify for the 244kb requirement:(
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You mean like this?
http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a321/image/picture-8.jpg

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MacVault said:
Yea, same here. Micro-updates ≠ Major upgrade. Now ZFS I would say is a major update, but that by itself does not warrant a Major upgrade. Wake me up when Apple decides to get serious.
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I have similar feelings about Leopard as well. The only reason I might upgrade is becuase I'm still running Panther, but we'll see - I'll reserve judgment until I see a better preview of Leopard at MWSF.

This is the whole reason I never upgraded to Tiger as well - nothing really stuck out for me as a huge improvement that I needed to have, so I never upgraded. If Leopard invokes the same feelings perhaps I'll just be waiting for 10.6... ;) :cool:
 
MacVault said:
Yea, it's a Mac Pro 16-Core Quad 500GB RAM 100 TB Hard drive. But it's no good without a good UI. Vista sucks. Tiger sucks. And Leopard, well we'll see soon, but I'm warmin up the old Fargo wood chipper!
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YOU'RE FUNNY :D wood chipper... where'd you get that?

You'll see a new UI in Leopard hopefully, but what if it's the same as Tiger? are you going to throw your Mac in the wood chipper and never use computers again? :) is there any UI you don't hate? eheh.
 
freeny said:
More specific please.....
Are you unhappy with the placement of items/fonts in the UI or just the colors?
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Yea, now you're gettin it. I don't like the look of the menu bar or the fonts it uses, and I don't really like the idea of the menus being in the menu bar as opposed to in the windows themselves. And I don't like the dock, the scroll bars, the round bubbly buttons, the scroll bar arrows, etc. etc. etc.
 
new finder!

I think what Leopard needs most of all is a new, completely rewritten, completely cocoa finder. I use my Mac a lot, so it's pretty obvious to me when an app is Carbon (aka sucks to use) and when it's Cocoa (ie pleasant to use) and it's painfully obvious that the Finder is in between (ie terrible). Not only are the UI inconsistencies appalling, but it can't even do simple tasks like updating the network shares list on the fly (too many times have I tried to connect to a share that's apparently a "broken alias" when really that computer's just asleep; it shouldn't even show up), or even listing my files in the proper order (it wasn't able to tell me that a file had been updated just moments before, saying it was last modified two days earlier).

Seriously. This is the basic Mac app. Can't they at least get this one right?

And by the way... does anyone else's Finder crash more than any other app?
 
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