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OMG...you might want to try using Windows. I mean, I understand one right to criticize but menus on the windows themselves!!? I HATE how that is in Windows. They're a moving target. On my mac I ALWAYS know where "file" is and where "help" is because it's always in basically the same place no matter what app I'm using.
Sorry, as soon as I said that, I thought twice about the iTV part. Yeah, agreed, I'd just like to see them offer a nice NAS that ideally is wireless capable (can join a wireless network), supports MacHFS+ / ZFS (and probably also Windows requirements), mounts directly as a network drive in OS X, etc.
Sorry, I totally agree... that's also what I should have said. But one thing I do like about Windows is the way it handles the lock screen ... which is why I'd like to see the lock screen in OS X be replaced by the FUS login window, albeit with the ability for an admin to allow a user change / force logout.
Related to this, I do very much also feel that, for the IT world in particular, OS X needs to get away from master passwords, the ability to reset the password using system restore DVDs, etc.
I'm sad to see that your post has been largely ignored, mkjellman. Personally, that's exactly what I hope to see out of Leopard. Better performance, ironed kinks, et cetera.
My chief complaint with Apple since I switched from Linux has been that Apple will do something 90% -- and stop right there. For instance, watching VIDEO_TS folders in Front Row. Or not allowing any app but Pages to create PDFs with working links.
I'm hoping that Apple continues to improve the "minor" things like performance and functionality and give the bragging rights a rest. Thanks for your post.
I am glad they finally change at least some bad expressions. I always had to explain "archive" when I wanted them to create a zip file.
Yes, I can't imagine why Apple wouldn't include the functionality that would allow its users to play ripped DVDs (still illegal to do in the US if they have copy protection) with their software. I mean, it's not like that'd be a conflict of interest, what with them trying to court the movie industry for digital distribution on the iTunes Store.
I mean, come on. At some point your needs become more esoteric than 90% of the Apple userbase. Or, at least, the userbase Apple is targeting with features like Front Row.
Anyway, I don't see we will see major UI changes until 11.0. And I don't think Apple really needs to do this. Even virtual desktops is a pretty big addition to the UI.
They need to get out the quirks like networking, the slow Finder, etc., etc.
And whoever thinks Vista is a big UI improvement over XP and at the same time says Leopard won't be that big of a change is contradicting themselves.
I agree Apple could do a lot of things better, but there are so many changes in Leopard that it already is better step over Tiger than Tiger was over Panther.
If you people can't see that because your bitter over something Apple didn't improve that you wanted to, I am sorry.
They need to get out the quirks like networking, the slow Finder, etc., etc.
And whoever thinks Vista is a big UI improvement over XP and at the same time says Leopard won't be that big of a change is contradicting themselves.
I agree Apple could do a lot of things better, but there are so many changes in Leopard that it already is better step over Tiger than Tiger was over Panther.
If you people can't see that because your bitter over something Apple didn't improve that you wanted to, I am sorry.
Yes, I can't imagine why Apple wouldn't include the functionality that would allow its users to play ripped DVDs (still illegal to do in the US if they have copy protection) with their software. I mean, it's not like that'd be a conflict of interest, what with them trying to court the movie industry for digital distribution on the iTunes Store.
I mean, come on. At some point your needs become more esoteric than 90% of the Apple userbase. Or, at least, the userbase Apple is targeting with features like Front Row.
And with Apple offering HD downloads or at least full DVD quality downloads I don't think there'd be one person bitching about it...
Still no view of...
Finally i see:
- Preview (hopefully also with all iphoto features soon, i like my own directory structure)
- Good backup
- Spaces
But still no view of:
- moving files in finder (still need external app)
- creating new file in finder (still need external app)
- MSN ability in iChat (for video)
- Speech for other languages than English
- RSS 'live bookmark' function in safari (like in Firefox)
Finally i see:
- Preview (hopefully also with all iphoto features soon, i like my own directory structure
)- Good backup
- Spaces
But still no view of:
- moving files in finder (still need external app)
- creating new file in finder (still need external app)
- MSN ability in iChat (for video)
- Speech for other languages than English
- RSS 'live bookmark' function in safari (like in Firefox)
To be honest, I'd have to agree.
It all looks good, but not run-to-the-store-on-release-day good.
More like whenever-I-can-afford-to-throw-a-little-cash-around good.
Tigers doing fine by me.
I do look forward to see what time machine feels like to use though.
Yes, I can't imagine why Apple wouldn't include the functionality that would allow its users to play ripped DVDs (still illegal to do in the US if they have copy protection) with their software. I mean, it's not like that'd be a conflict of interest, what with them trying to court the movie industry for digital distribution on the iTunes Store.
I mean, come on. At some point your needs become more esoteric than 90% of the Apple userbase. Or, at least, the userbase Apple is targeting with features like Front Row.
Hear hear! As soon as a program, or anything else for that matter, tries to be all things to all people then it becomes nothing to everyone. Front Row has a very clear purpose, and while it isn't perfect, it is still excellent. Front row does need more capability in some ways, but if Apple made it try and do too much then it ceases to be an excellent program for consumers to play their media using a remote control, and instead it becomes a Windows Media PC.
I'm not able to get to the originating sites fo the articles, so let me ask here instead. Are we sure these screenshots are from Apple's internally seeded update WITH the GUI changes, or are these from the Developers release (that would not have the new look incorporated)?
To be fair, 640 x 480 H.264 in the Baseline - Low Complexity profile they're using at 1500kbps only looks _okay_ to someone like me. It's not full DVD quality, and definitely not HD.
However, even if you are ripping your own DVDs, wouldn't demuxing them to m2v and ac3 and then re-muxing them into a self-contained mpeg-2 container be something that QT (and thus Front Row) could grok? I believe there are now AC3 codecs for QT that won't crash it or FR. Yeah, it's an extra step, but it's still the original streams.
I am psyched about quicklook. It's always been hard moving from XP to OSX and having to use that horrible Preview instead of something like Window's simple Image Preview. I AM PSYCHED!!!!
Yeah, it would work, just too much work to go through and the quality would still suffer. As HD Tvs get more and more common and even Apple is upping the resolution on their displays the current res will begin to look bad.
I know it is a bandwidth problem but unless they offer better resolutions people will bitch about it not being able to play Video_TS folders.
I would gladly buy ALL my movies and music in the iTMS IF they were HD and Lossless.
Well, to be fair, DVDs are lossy. So are HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray discs for HD content. HDTV is lossy. CDs, as they are often recorded and mastered at a higher sampling rate (and higher bits per sample) and then resampled down to 44.1kHz/16-bit, are also technically losing information. Where do you draw the line?
Also, the method I mentioned would not affect quality vs. the original DVD at all. You're just separating and recombining the original streams, not re-encoding. No quality loss from the original.
Well, to be fair, DVDs are lossy. So are HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray discs for HD content. HDTV is lossy. CDs, as they are often recorded and mastered at a higher sampling rate (and higher bits per sample) and then resampled down to 44.1kHz/16-bit, are also technically losing information. Where do you draw the line?
Also, the method I mentioned would not affect quality vs. the original DVD at all. You're just separating and recombining the original streams, not re-encoding. No quality loss from the original.
Ah ok. Yeah that'd be all right. Still a lot of work though.
I'd be content with Apple Lossless (highest encoding that is not AiFF in iTunes) and 1080p.
Couple of things. First off, w/ Time Machine, you can set it to update once a day or constantly. Not sure how to do it multiple times a day.
Secondly, I'm fine w/ the UI, but would like it to be more constant. There's one kind of window for Finder, another for Mail/iTunes. Just choose one and go w/ it. Or, even better, let the user decide. I remember in the pre-OS X days there used to be this utility called Kaleidoscope that changed the appearance of everything. And in OS 8.5, Apple added a feature called that was like kaleidoscope, but later removed it in OS 9 or something. I'd really like Apple to bring that back, but to a greater degree. In my opinion, I think it would be great if Apple let the users decide whether to have the menubar on the top or in each window, the look of the windows (Aqua vs. brushed metal vs. iTunes), and let them do it on a window or application basis, but allow batch processing to if you have a lot of windows. While it would be hard, it would be cool if Apple let the users to also create their own UI. And for those who hate the UI, why don't you Photoshop a few pictures of what your ideal UI would be?
Secondly, I'm fine w/ the UI, but would like it to be more constant. There's one kind of window for Finder, another for Mail/iTunes. Just choose one and go w/ it. Or, even better, let the user decide. I remember in the pre-OS X days there used to be this utility called Kaleidoscope that changed the appearance of everything. And in OS 8.5, Apple added a feature called that was like kaleidoscope, but later removed it in OS 9 or something. I'd really like Apple to bring that back, but to a greater degree. In my opinion, I think it would be great if Apple let the users decide whether to have the menubar on the top or in each window, the look of the windows (Aqua vs. brushed metal vs. iTunes), and let them do it on a window or application basis, but allow batch processing to if you have a lot of windows. While it would be hard, it would be cool if Apple let the users to also create their own UI. And for those who hate the UI, why don't you Photoshop a few pictures of what your ideal UI would be?
Well, to be fair, DVDs are lossy. So are HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray discs for HD content. HDTV is lossy. CDs, as they are often recorded and mastered at a higher sampling rate (and higher bits per sample) and then resampled down to 44.1kHz/16-bit, are also technically losing information. Where do you draw the line?
Also, the method I mentioned would not affect quality vs. the original DVD at all. You're just separating and recombining the original streams, not re-encoding. No quality loss from the original.
Agreed. And any recording process is inherently lossy. If I set up the most expensive, modern top of the line mic you can buy today and store the information it records onto some imaginary perfectly losses data medium, and replay that information on some imaginary perfect sound reproduction system, the sound you hear will still be drastically different than what you would've heard if you were standing in that room when the sound was originally created.
It all comes down to what level of reproduction allows you the most entertainment value. I've seen hdtv, it does look sharper than regular tv. And? To me, standard definition tv delivers about 95% of the entertainment that hdtv does, and most downloaded video gives me about 95% also, just using a different mix of variables. I have a very strong visual sense, but beyond a certain point you reach diminishing returns in terms of entertainment.
So Diatribe, if for some reason you feel like now that you've seen hdtv that standard definition tv is no longer entertaining enough to you, then that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But if you look at the fast increasing rate at which people are choosing to use highly compressed media and then look at the rate at which old uncompressed media are declining and the slow rate of adoption for new high definition mediums, then you'll see that most people don't share the same opinion. So if iTunes downloads aren't high definition enough for you, then that's a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold, but that doesn't mean Apple is doing anything wrong in the quality it offers.
I sure as heck hope you're not suggesting we go through a UI "switch" every five or so years. When something is broken, it needs to be fixed, but it'd take a heck of an argument to convince me that the OS X UI metaphor is broken. When these subtle accents (such as the purported use of Core Animation throughout now) come together with the UI, it forms a new and -- more importantly -- improved experience. The changes made to Office 2007, on the other hand, are where UI redesign and rethinking can fix an outstanding issue.
Even having said all that, what sort of UI "revolution" are you looking for here, and in what way are the "minor tweaks" not alluding to or accomodating of an overall change in UI direction? Expose, Spotlight, Front Row and Time Machine are all in step with changing the way we interface with our computers. How are these not UI "revolutions?"
If I'm picking up on what you may mean, Apple's canned various "revolutionary" efforts in the past -- such as the 3D Finder project -- and I think we should understand why that might be. Project Looking Glass from Sun may be cool, but why do we need to flip a window around in 3D space to attach a note to the back of it? Xgl may be neat, but what is in Xgl that Apple can't implement with Quartz/the Core Foundation frameworks? I guess my question is -- if Apple isn't implementing UI changes, then who else is implementing revolutionary UI changes?
I find it a bit interesting that you may believe Apple is sitting on their thumbs, simply because they fail to demo anything that lies within your view of "truly revolutionary." The best progress takes time so that each piece can be implemented with thought, care, and refinement. I see Apple's direction as being the most ideal. As a general curiousity, what sort of practical changes do you recommend they implement in Leopard that would radically change the OS X metaphor such that it could be deemed "revolutionary," while improving it at the same time?