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Nothing as long as you are happy with a 7+ year old UI. I mean seriously. They have had close to a decade to work on new UI's. You see concept UI's coming out of Sun, MS, MIT, etc all the time. What REAL changes have we seen between 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, and now maybe 10.5? Not a whole heck of a lot. Usually a new coat of paint. Minor tweaks here and there. Its almost as if Apple is turning into MS. Sitting on their fat butt, patting themselves on the back for a UI that is closing in on being a decade old. OS X is now at the halfway mark. Something new really should be debuting with Leopard. Instead, if we are to believe that the current builds are feature locked, it’s more of the same old, same old. Add a few new spiffy features. Dink around with the color scheme yet again, probably more optimizing to give us a bit more of the ‘ol “snappy”. And call it NEW AND IMPROVED!

Well I for one am disappointed and unless those “top secret” features debut at MWSF I’m going to be outright pissed that Jobs once again mouthed off with BS to its userbase. We’ll see.

Were you a user of the Classic Mac OS? Because if you were, you would probably know that Apple didn't really significantly alter the original Macintosh interface (from 1984) until Mac OS X came out in 2001. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept doing what they have been doing: change the appearance, but not the layout. Apple doesn't need to be like Microsoft and alter the UI drastically with every release.
 
Looks like Leopard is shaping up to be something great. :)

One thing, though. Am I the only one who thinks the following dialog box is a little too "windows-ish"? I mean, one of the best things about OSX (IMO, obviously there are many greater things, too) is that when you plug in a new device, beit USB, Firewire, ethernet, or otherwise, nothing happens. No bubble messages. No annoying audio feedback. "Yes, I know I plugged something in, and yes, I know what it is, you don't have to tell me. I also know what it is for, you don't need to tell me that either." The device is simply available for use, with no suggestions or presumptions as to how the user would like to use it. Part of the beauty of Apple's OS is that setting up your devices is so simple, you don't need any "wizards" or what-have-you.

I just hope Apple keeps OSX the way it is now (read: non-obtrusive, non-intrusive, and of course, intuitive as can be).

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BTW, sorry if this opinion has already been expressed in this thread. I admit I haven't read through it in it's entirety as of yet. :)

But doesn't it have to be this way so not every single one of your external drives turns into a Time Machine drive? Or are you thinking that instead of using a dialog box, Apple should just leave it in System Preferences?
 
Because you can't boot XP from a USB drive without major tweaking.
I guess the last two PCs I've owned didn't get that memo. Both support USB booting. It's a hardware/BIOS thing, not an OS thing. Macs have been able to boot from Firewire for years, and it just seems to me that USB boot support was an inevitable next step now that all iPods are USB and most new PCs support USB booting (problematically for some, maybe).

But you can actually use an iPod as a bootable USB drive. It boots around as fast as booting from the internal HD.
Right. I guess I'm just not getting why this is exciting. iPods have always worked as external drives, and since Intel Macs came out, USB booting only makes sense.
 
If Leopard is going to be available by the end of April, all features should be locked by now and heavily tested. I don't think that we will see more features than the currently announced or seen in the latest build. Only if Apple has a strong Beta User Base and publishes different betas of Leopard, we could have something to wait for...

Right, Apple just SAID there were more features than they were annoucing and being kept secret. In January they will tell us they were just kidding and we'll all have a good laugh.
 
Right, Apple just SAID there were more features than they were annoucing and being kept secret. In January they will tell us they were just kidding and we'll all have a good laugh.

Maybe they meant secret as in secret for the next couple year til 10.6 comes out. :D
 
I would gladly buy ALL my movies and music in the iTMS IF they were HD and Lossless.

1080p x 30fps x 24 bpp = 626 GB / hour. The best lossless video compression scheme (MSU) on RGB colour will do about 3:1 (average) so that brings it down to only 200 GB / hour!
 
everybody is yelling about secondary issues: "how the new ui looks old", that all these are "micro-updates", the only reason to switch would be spaces etc...
but it seems that something is forgotten-->
the reason i will upgrade to leopard-> 64 bit. for the job i do (3d modelling/rendering) future is there. sure, those whose macs are dedicated only for 24/7 action in macrumors are wellcome to stay with the tiger.

And for me, the reason is Networked Spotlight, where MS has failed on search. Its making us switch to macs and redesign our corporate network.
 
I remember that when a thread came up with a similar title a year ago, the screenshots of leopard was a simple mac 'virus', anyone remember that? Wierd times...

Totally remember. That story broke on Valentine's Day (Feb. 14th) 2005, I think.
 
Demonstration Needed

You've got that right, unfortunately. These Leopard pics better not represent the UI of the final release or I'm gonna run my new Mac through I wood chipper and post the video on YouTube and send it to Steve Jobs.

Apple could do SO MUCH BETTER than the current UI. I have no idea why they don't. Hopefully they're just hiding it til the expo.

MacVault, I've seen you state here several times that the UI of Tiger is less than you'd approve of, to put it mildly. Generally speaking, when one protests so vehemently against something like the UI, there exists in mind, an alternative that does please the writer.

That said, perhaps it's time for you to provide examples to readers of this forum of your ideal UI. Personally, I'd like to see what you'd do so differently that would warrant shredding your Mac and posting it on YouTube if it wasn't implemented.
 
No iCal screenshots. I fear that the (in my opinion) insignificant updates to iCal that we already heard about is all that is going to change in iCal for 10.5. Why does Apple act like it doesn't love its own child?

It took me a long time to get to this place, but I now understand that iCal is just always going to suck.

I was hopeful for so long. I emailed Apple with suggestions. But each OS upgrade left iCal with a miniscule change or two.

It comes down to this: no exec at Apple--especially Steve--manage their own calendar. No person in control uses the app. So it sucks, and always will.

Such as shame...
 
First off, I'd like to mention to all the whiners complaining about the OS X's GUI. You ALL knew since 10.0.5 that this was going to be it until for the next 10 years. At OS X's developer preview before Puma's launch Jobs mentioned this. STOP WHINING and enjoy it. Reminds me of a saying you dont know what you have until its gone. Well I dare you to use WinXP in an office/work/ call center environment for 3 months and you'll LOVE OS X enough to either KISS or HUMP the screen!

(you can tell that I dont own a Mac, and haven't used one since Puma).

My biggest complaint about the menu bar is that when you have 6+ windows on screen there have been times I've gone to the menubar to do [insert action here] and I've had the wrong window\app active. when its integrated into the window its just there. That being said I like the way its integrated into the menubar because IMHO its a waste to have the same menus spread across multiple windows. There are pros and cons to both ways of doing it. I haven't decided which I like the best. There must be a happy medium between the two designs but what? :confused:

(Edited) .... PS-Don't even get me started on how even when a Window isn't the active window it's cursor a text field is still blinking. In Windows the cursor stops when the window isn't active. Which is a tell-tail sign.

Menu bars for EVERY single window in EVERY single running program (unless minimized to task/system tray's) is a SERIOUS waste of Desktop/Monitor real-estate!

I didnt know about OS X does that with text in non-active windows, I thought it was to do away with things like that.

WinXP: what drives me utterly insane (I almost punched my monitor in front of my supervisor today lol - I got a 10min break to cool off, a suggestion). Imagine typing notes for a TroubleShooting call your own. You launch another program in preperation because you know your going to need it within the next few minutes but NOT just YET:

1) I HATE splash screens - Brand killing Remembrance/Ads whatever you want to call them. WHY oh WHY do I need to see a 6"x8" splash screen of Lotus Notes?! I know that I launched the application sure a small screen to notify me of my last execution, fine, but to cover the dead center of my screen and I cannot see what I'm typing or what the user is doing is a SERIOUS annoyance. Why not make the splash screen see-through? why not allow me to also click-it-goodbye and load the app in the background.

2) that app I just loaded wants me to login or use it EVEN THOUGH I'm still continuously typing in the app I'm using! ARRGH. WHAT on EARTH are programmers thinking. Firefox is the ONLY application, the ONLY application I've come across that when launched, and I'm working with another application will load in the background (safe for its maiden launch & setup) UNTIL I ALT-TAB to USE it when I CHOOSE to or left clicking on it.

I pray this doesnt happen - if rarely allowed - on the Mac!

January I'm either buying the Mac Book Pro Core2Duo or MacPro (undecided and both cost the same - 15.4"/120GB/128MBVideo vs 2.6Ghz Quad Xeon/250GBHDD/256MB Video. No desk to enjoy either on though.
 
Am I the only one here that doesn't really have a problem with the UI, per se, but is much more interested in a unification of the design? I mean, I'd appreciate a simple, clean approach to the look (say, like how the new product description pages in the online store look), but more than anything I'd like to see what's already here organized. The OS is quickly becoming more and more bloated.

Personally I'd like to see Apple continue to simplify rather than complicate. And a more logical organization of what already exists within the finder would be ideal. (C'mon, what's the deal with the Image Capture program and needing to get into the preferences there? That doesn't make any sense at all.)
 
Does timemachine work with NAS'?

I'll be getting 10.5 when it comes out but i'm looking to purchase something like the maxtor shared storage II so I can access my data whereever I'm using my macbook in the house (over wireless), does timemachine only work with firewire and USB drives? Or can I use it to do backups to a network attached device.
 
Spaces

Oh man, spaces sounds awesome - I've wanted such a feature for years.

Other than that, and perhaps ZFS, the changes seem ok if somewhat less-than-stellar. But let's see what the "secret" features are when Steveo tears down the curtain come January.
 
Were you a user of the Classic Mac OS? Because if you were, you would probably know that Apple didn't really significantly alter the original Macintosh interface (from 1984) until Mac OS X came out in 2001. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept doing what they have been doing: change the appearance, but not the layout. Apple doesn't need to be like Microsoft and alter the UI drastically with every release.

That's indeed true, although some of the Windows fanboys that populate this site still try to infer that Windows has a better (sic) UI than OS X.

Notwithstanding a few UI inconsistencies among Apple apps and the Finder, I sure hope that Apple keeps OS X as the cleanest and most unobtrusive OS ever. Linux does NOT come close to that, Windows does NOT come close to that, and Vista neither.

What I said above is: there will be NO "secret" features in terms of totally revamping the UI. And this should NOT happen, for the sake of design stability and adherence to human interface guidelines. Apple might even add some shapeshifter-like options...but never change its principles altogether.

And to those that advocate for a menu bar on every window, like in horrible Windows...pllllllllllease...this is just ridiculous and a waste of screen real estate.
 
I'll be getting 10.5 when it comes out but i'm looking to purchase something like the maxtor shared storage II so I can access my data whereever I'm using my macbook in the house (over wireless), does timemachine only work with firewire and USB drives? Or can I use it to do backups to a network attached device.
My understanding was that Time Machine is capable of backing up to a server (I thought it mentioned that on the Time Machine page, but apparently it doesn't), so I'd assume that it can also back up to a NAS if you're connected to it. I wish I had a link for you.
 
Why is everyone so concerned with the "appearance" of the UI? the real question is "when are we going to see simplification and innovation in the finder"

I've constantly got 3 windows open and every single one of them has a big fat toolbar, a screen-estate eating sidebar. I'm constantly fumbling with the idiotic column view.

There are so many conveniences and 'features' in the finder that its starting to clutter it up. the dock and the sidebar could basically be the same thing. not to mention the desktop which is all but gone. then there's your favorites and your recent items folder.

But those are just problems. not solutions. well.... I have some fun ideas... call me crazy...


•one standard plug in format for finder views. So *users* can add ZUIs, more neato 3d interfaces and , and for god sakes build a browser into the finder window already.

•one low(er) level standard for system themes so *users* can choose themes. (your brand is less important than your *users*)

• make the right hand side of the menu bar a dock. allow the *user* to drag and drop the current system menus into and out of the finder, the toolbar and the sidebar. this allows the user to spread his commonly used stuff out OR focus them all in one place.

•make finder a quittable application like anything else, and let programmers write newer cooler ways to navigate a mac

•let the *user* disable the dock and use a 3rd party app switcher.

•let developers alter finder windows.

• add a preview palette for all views (not just column)

• an option to grant only the front most finder window a sidebar and toolbar. so you can see more. OR just make background windows smaller


In short: a good user interface doesn't take away power, it cloaks it. and apple has just taken away the users power. the finder is the most prevalent application on a mac and it's the least customizable. I feel that apple needs to write more standards for the system so that users have a choice.
 
Oh man, spaces sounds awesome - I've wanted such a feature for years.

Seriously? Spaces functionality (multiple desktops) has existed for years in a fantastic app called 'desktop manager'. There are others, but DM has been the best for me. Freeware, unobtrusive, mac native, and totally customizable. Spaces doesn't do much that DM doesn't already.

http://desktopmanager.berlios.de/
 
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