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Leopard's GUI is Ugly and End of Themes?
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Agreed. Leopard looks like a cheap Linux distro. Perhaps that's a compliment to a few distros, PCLinuxOS.
Tiger is the pinnacle of OS UI's.
Tiger is the pinnacle of OS UI's.
wow. so you don't like a DEVELOPER seed of a BETA operating system. no matter, means you wont be in my way when i want my copy in October.
The new Finder looks like it will MASSIVELY improve many people's OS experience as the current one is all round irritating...
Interesting that so many say the dock is too 'in your face' when this has always been the case with the OS X dock, if you think about it.
There's a solution. It's called+alt+D
True, but I think the point is it's far more conspicuous now with the 3D effect and reflections; I think it'll be quite distracting.
Sure, you can hide it, but I'd prefer to have it shown and inconspicuous. It's quicker to just move down and click an icon in the Dock, rather than finding the edge the Dock is hidden on, waiting for it to slide in, and then scanning across the Dock for the icon and clicking it. If you use the Dock often (and you probably will), a hidden Dock gets tedious pretty quickly.
Ok so I tried the WWDC version of Leopard from my friend who installed it onto his external drive. Pretty much agree with most of what's been said here except I like the new UI, sort of. The dock, I can get used to. The menu bar looks cool to me, haven't tried it with dark backgrounds yet though. One thing bothered me, spotlight started indexing my drive and when I switched back to my default Tiger OS, spotlight indexed my drive again. To all you developers who regularly go back and forth between Tiger and Leopard do you get this problem? Or do you just put the internal drive/Tiger drive in the privacy area of spotlight?
Depends on what type of computer you're using. On my MacBook I always have the dock hidden. I also know where the icons are located without needing to look at the dock, because of the way I've arranged them. I can't imagine that you're launching apps that often from your dock that you find it tedious. If you're switching apps maybe, but there's always command-tab for that.
If you're writing at all to the drives while booted from the other OS, then when it starts up the OS is going to need to index to find out what files were changed.
I'm not sure what difference the model of Mac makes?
That's a valid point, but the problem with the Dock in that case is that it isn't fixed: as items are added & removed (such as apps launching & quitting) the other icons are nudged about. So you never know exactly where the icon you want is going to be - hence it's quicker to have the Dock visible so you don't have to wait for it to appear to move to the icon you want to click.
I use the Dock a lot for dragging & dropping files; plus for the dock menus. It's also useful to keep it visible for those applications which show their status in the Dock icon.
You can also disable the reflections, so that just leaves the 3D effect. Is it really so bad?
The question is: Are you making all this up out of thin air, or are you in breach of an NDA?
Where are people getting all these ideas about disabling reflections and disabling transparent menu bars? Where are these settings? How about a "Revert to Classic Dock" button... I suppose there's one of those too.... also, where's the "Make Shadows Better" button?
The question is: Are you making all this up out of thin air, or are you in breach of an NDA?
The question is... have you seen Apple's website. You can watch demos of Mac OS X Leopard... so I don't see how I am doing anything wrong.
I like all except the dock - that mirroring effect and the dots are soooo tacky! Shame on you, Apple!
More importantly though, I expect a good deal of workflow productivity improvements and general improvements regarding multitasking etc. I hope the first release won't be too buggy and that Logic Pro will run off it right from the beginning Bring it on.
More importantly though, I expect a good deal of workflow productivity improvements and general improvements regarding multitasking etc. I hope the first release won't be too buggy and that Logic Pro will run off it right from the beginning
Bring it on.
I wasn't aware you can disable the reflections, interesting, thanks.
And no, the 3D effect isn't the end of the world, though I would find it distracting.
I don't think it's an oversight on the part of Apple, but suspect it's a deliberate move. In every GUI, the prominence of any item's/control's appearance tends to reflect the importance of its function (such as media players having a big "Play" button, etc).
In 10.5, the Dock is becoming more visually prominent, while the menubar is being de-emphasized by being made translucent. Going forward, I think Apple see the Dock as being increasingly central to the UI, while the menubar might even be auto-hid in future versions?
No, you can't! Where are you people coming up with this nonsense? This is the same as the "disable the menubar transparency" myth. You can't do it, even post-9A499. It may be added later, but I doubt it. The menubar doesn't need the transparency on/off option now anyway, which I'm sure you'll see once the silly developers leak more info when Apple decides to push another build their way.
I think the menu bar is used way more than the Dock... that would suck if it was auto-hide. I am a huge fan of keyboard combos... I use them a TON each day but, not everything has a keyboard command and I know a lot of users don't even use them. I still see a ton of people mousing around and taking forever to do things.
I use Menufela to autohide the menubar btw if you're thinking about it. Feels like a massive amount of screen real-estate on my small Macbook.
Ok, I totally agree that Leopard's interface is ugly, but what are you smoking? I keep seeing this complaint about the scrollbars. The scrollbars are identical to Tiger's. They're one of the few things that didn't change. How can they be "worse"? And what was so bad about them in the first place?
The ends now oddly square off... probably due to them being vector now and no longer raster. Check out some of the screenshots to see what I mean.
i don't see a difference in the leopard or tiger scrollbars other than the blue and white in it repeats more in leopard than in tiger...
the icons are prety poor if you ask me, i dont see why they couldnt do somthing better like these http://interfacelift.com/icons-mac/details.php?id=1770
My apologies, it's only the menu-bar you can disable, thanks to Peter Maurer:
http://www.manytricks.com/blog/?id=10
The disabling of dock transparency is actually for the Linux OS X.5 dock So if you're using what you think is Leopard, but it's actually a Linux distro, then set /apps/avant-window-navigator/bar/icon_offset to zero.
Blame Ars Technica.
http://www.manytricks.com/blog/?id=10
The disabling of dock transparency is actually for the Linux OS X.5 dock
So if you're using what you think is Leopard, but it's actually a Linux distro, then set /apps/avant-window-navigator/bar/icon_offset to zero.Blame Ars Technica.
Take a look at both of these images and look at the scroll bars.
Leopard: http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a466/image/picture07.jpg
Tiger: http://macsingularity.org/images/OSX_Disc_picture1.png
I never liked the default scrollbars as it is (I prefer Max's AquaExtreme scrollbars) but, I still think Tigers scroll bars round nicer on the ends instead of the hard cut-off in Leopard.
That's a third party hack... not a way to actually turn the transparency off. What a lame hack it is too... it's just one more running app to have to fix what Apple has decided is best.
Leopard: http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a466/image/picture07.jpg
Tiger: http://macsingularity.org/images/OSX_Disc_picture1.png
I never liked the default scrollbars as it is (I prefer Max's AquaExtreme scrollbars) but, I still think Tigers scroll bars round nicer on the ends instead of the hard cut-off in Leopard.
My apologies, it's only the menu-bar you can disable, thanks to Peter Maurer:
http://www.manytricks.com/blog/?id=10
The disabling of dock transparency is actually for the Linux OS X.5 dock
Blame Ars Technica.
That's a third party hack... not a way to actually turn the transparency off. What a lame hack it is too... it's just one more running app to have to fix what Apple has decided is best.