Let Apple know WE DONT WANT "HD Graphics 3000" in 13' model

[smetvid]

I for one am pretty happy with the new update.

I am a professional user and the massive cpu bump is very welcome. The 13" 2011 is actually faster then the 17" 2010. That is pretty darn huge. If you are somebody that does use that type of cpu power last year you had to buy a $2,000.00 MBP. Now you can buy a $1,200.00 MBP to get the same computing power. That is a massive deal if you ask me.

Of course I don't really game much so the gpu isn't as important to me. I do however use Final Cut Studio so I am a bit concerned with the gpu. Currently however I have a 21.5" iMac with the Nvidia 9400 and the entire FCS works great. It is my understanding the Intel 3000 is at least better then the Nvidia 9400 so therefore I am happy. I use FCS, After Effects, Cinema 4D, Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver and Logic Pro every day at work and never once did I wish I had a faster gpu but I did wish I could create content faster. Now of course my 3.06ghz iMac is typically faster then a 13" MBP but not so much anymore. Early benchmark tests have the 2011 13" MBP beating even my workhorse 21" iMac. Now if that doesn't impress anybody I'm not sure if some of you can ever be impressed. This now basically means for the exact same $1,200.00 cost I can get the same level of cpu and gpu performance in a now portable package.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have liked a better 13" gpu as well. I'm just saying it isn't as big of deal as some of you are making it out to be.

 

[ricky1989]

To this day I have owned 5 different macbook pros, and believe me I love these laptops.
It amazes me how many people seem not to understand how underwelming the new 13" may be for someone like me. I believe that a laptop with a smaller form factor should not by default belong to the "low end" category. I love the mac hardware and design, I love a kind of laptop small and light enough to bring it everywhere I go, I would also love it to have a decent graphic compartment and the 3000 is utterly crap. The graphic capabilities of the Macbook Air are now better than those of the 13 pro, and the cpu will not help at all in a lot of applications. Let's not talk about games, and do not tell me "noone would play with a 13" laptop ", I would. For those who need benchmarks, the info to compare the 3000 to the 320M is already out there.

Couldn't agree more. Look at the mobile industry, every manufacturer are trying their best to put great stuff(cpu & gpu) inside such small form-factor. Guess what? People loved it. A result of a small yet powerful device.
Secondly, people can always plug-in their 13" to an external monitor, if and only if they need that real-estate. I wonder if the IGP from Intel could handle that job....

 

[impulse462]

Look I think the whole point is this: Apple couldn't put another C2D w/ Nvidia 320M. They did that last year, people complained and said "oh I'd take a more powerful CPU with slightly worse graphics." Now Apple has done that EXACTLY, and people are complaining about wanting the previous configuration.

The fact of the matter is, they knew they put the 9400M 2 generations ago. The benchmarks show that the Intel HD 3000 on par with about the 310M, slightly below the 320M in benchmarks, but in real-world performance (games) the performance was a little worse.

Apple knows the 13"MBP is their best-selling computer, they won't take the ODD out because regular users (i.e. not us) will complain "WHERE DO I PUT MY MOVIE??" so putting the discrete GPU was not possible. Yes the Sony Vaio Z did put it in their form factor so could apple? Probably. Why didn't they? I don't know, to reduce manufacturing costs maybe?

Maybe they'll rearrange the internals when they introduce their liquid metal Macbooks, until then itll just be like this.

This is really intel's fault for barring nvidia (or anyone for that matter) from designing integrated GPU's to work with sandy bridge.

 

[I'mAMac]

Well... I would gladly give away the Superdrive for a decent discrete GPU, but I still think that is not necessary and a discrete gpu could fit in a 13" (VAIO Z cough cough...).

As would I. But who knows, maybe it will be an option in the future.

 

[Airforce]

Couldn't agree more. Look at the mobile industry, every manufacturer are trying their best to put great stuff(cpu & gpu) inside such small form-factor. Guess what? People loved it. A result of a small yet powerful device.

I'm typing this on an 11.6 laptop with an i5, 8GB, switchable graphics (Intel onboard and an NVIDIA GT 335M), backlit keyboard with customizable colors, a 1366x768 screen, and battery life that can hit 7 hours with basic internet surfing. They could have done much better on this 13 inch pro model.

 

[J&JPolangin]

I'm typing this on an 11.6 laptop with an i5, 8GB, switchable graphics (Intel onboard and an NVIDIA GT 335M), backlit keyboard with customizable colors, a 1366x768 screen, and battery life that can hit 7 hours with basic internet surfing. They could have done much better on this 13 inch pro model.

...what model Acer laptop do you have?

Is this it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215016

...oh wait, no 335m GPU...

 

[Evil Spoonman]

I'm typing this on an 11.6 laptop with an i5, 8GB, switchable graphics (Intel onboard and an NVIDIA GT 335M), backlit keyboard with customizable colors, a 1366x768 screen, and battery life that can hit 7 hours with basic internet surfing. They could have done much better on this 13 inch pro model.

Care to tell us which machine that is? The switchable colours keyboard backlight screams Alienware. If it is an M11x I am going to laugh so hard at you.

An i5-520UM is insanely slow, has horrendous onboard graphics. The memory speed is very low, it is thick and bulky, loud under load. Screen is crappy, the only way it is even remotely competitive is the GPU. The user can decide to have 2 hours of battery life, or 7… and the switch is irritating.

So you can either have a laptop that is moderately okay at some video games, and horrible at everything else. Or a laptop that is very fast at the tasks most people do everyday, not so good at video games, and gets good battery life all the time without having to think about it.

Jeeze… I wonder which one I would go for if I was a consumer.


(The fact that you list switchable keyboard backlight colours as a FEATURE means you really aren't worth talking to about this anyways.)

 

[Airforce]

Care to tell us which machine that is? The switchable colours keyboard backlight screams Alienware. If it is an M11x I am going to laugh so hard at you.

An i5-520UM is insanely slow, has horrendous onboard graphics. The memory speed is very low, it is thick and bulky, loud under load. Screen is crappy, the only way it is even remotely competitive is the GPU. The user can decide to have 2 hours of battery life, or 7… and the switch is irritating.

So you can either have a laptop that is moderately okay at some video games, and horrible at everything else. Or a laptop that is very fast at the tasks most people do everyday, not so good at video games, and gets good battery life all the time without having to think about it.

Jeeze… I wonder which one I would go for if I was a consumer.


(The fact that you list switchable keyboard backlight colours as a FEATURE means you really aren't worth talking to about this anyways.)

Well then stop talking? Makes you sound like quite an ass as you're wrong on most of your points. . The laptop is wisper quiet under load. Switching is automatic and can be preprogrammed if you so choose. The CPU is plenty fine. It isn't my desktop i7@4.8 Ghz, but you're not going to get that kind of power out of a laptop, so why even try? It edits my 1080p videos from my Canon DSLR. That's pretty dang good if you ask me Thick and bulky? It is smaller than my Macbook. Last I checked, that thing was neither thick, nor bulky The lights are fun. My three year old has a blast watching them while I'm working at home

 

[Evil Spoonman]

Well then stop talking? Makes you sound like quite an ass as you're wrong on most of your points.

Negative. I've had my fair share of time around the M11x.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be a total jerk. It is nothing personal against you, or anybody else. I am sick of people venturing opinions on topics they know nothing about, and have no perspective on. Which seems to be the trend around here. You are not the target audience for this machine. Apple did very, very well for their market.

The laptop is wisper quiet under load.

38dB is not whisper quiet, sorry.

Switching is automatic and can be preprogrammed if you so choose.

Depends what applications are open. Some do not allow the switch to take place. Driver updates continue to improve this situation.

The CPU is plenty fine. It isn't my desktop i7@4.8 Ghz, but you're not going to get that kind of power out of a laptop, so why even try? It edits my 1080p videos from my Canon DSLR. That's pretty dang good if you ask me

Plenty fine for what? It sure isn't plenty fine for editing 1080p video, I don't know what planet you're from. It is perceptibly slower at everything than the bottom-end CPU in the new 13". It is a very slow processor. You can claim whatever you like, there is no getting around this.

Thick and bulky? It is smaller than my Macbook. Last I checked, that thing was neither thick, nor bulky

It is almost half an inch thicker than the 13" at 1.3in vs 0.95in. That is heavily noticeable, especially when you consider the industrial design of the M11x is not as elegant or well thought out as Apple's. You do not get tapered edges, which make the 13" feel much thinner than it is. That is part of the bulk. The other part is the fact that it weighs basically the same as the 13", despite being a much smaller laptop.

The lights are fun. My three year old has a blast watching them while I'm working at home

Well that is subjective. I'm glad it has a selling point.

 

[INEEDANOTEBOOK]

he said "they look the same and most people wont notice difference"...i was thinking he was nuts...but on way home i got to thinking that joe average buyer probably really wont care,and apple will continue to sell a ton of these..............

LOL!! I admire the pragmatism of these guys! But it's not condescending -- what he said is simply true: what can you do in apple stores except browsing the web, running office, or playing itunes? Are these processor intensive apps? Nope.

 

[Airforce]

Negative. I've had my fair share of time around the M11x.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be a total jerk. It is nothing personal against you, or anybody else. I am sick of people venturing opinions on topics they know nothing about, and have no perspective on. Which seems to be the trend around here. You are not the target audience for this machine. Apple did very, very well for their market.

You're missing my point here. I love my little Alienware. That aside, it seems like Apple could have done a better job on the 13 inch pro model. It doesn't seem worthy to call it "Pro".

38dB is not whisper quiet, sorry.

Really? Seems close enough.

Depends what applications are open. Some do not allow the switch to take place. Driver updates continue to improve this situation.

Well I'm glad I haven't run into that problem. I've only had this sucker for just shy of a second so I'm no expert. CS5 applications don't seem to have an issue. I'm not big on gaming, so I haven't tried many at all.

Plenty fine for what? It sure isn't plenty fine for editing 1080p video, I don't know what planet you're from. It is perceptibly slower at everything than the bottom-end CPU in the new 13". It is a very slow processor. You can claim whatever you like, there is no getting around this.

With the 335, I am able to enable CUDA, so no problem what so ever video editing in CS5 Premiere. You'd be pretty surprised. That would be getting around the CPU, even though it isn't a slouch. Not sure why you figure it to be very slow.

It is almost half an inch thicker than the 13" at 1.3in vs 0.95in. That is heavily noticeable, especially when you consider the industrial design of the M11x is not as elegant or well thought out as Apple's. You do not get tapered edges, which make the 13" feel much thinner than it is. That is part of the bulk. The other part is the fact that it weighs basically the same as the 13", despite being a much smaller laptop.

It's 2 inches less by width. The weight....well, it's a quarter pound lighter than the Macbook. The sexy black and smooth lines makes up for anything that would make you think she's carrying a little more weight than your average 11 incher I'd say the design was given a bit of thought. The Thinkpad like finish of the outer skin and little Alien head come together like accouplement de deux oiseaux! Looks being subjective, as you say, I think it looks good. It has received some nice compliments, not that I could care one way or the other.

Again, my computer aside, even looking at the TimelineX 3820TG stats would make you think they should do something better for the price in the package they are supplying. I think the Timeline can be had for less than $800 now. The M11X was going for $636 via a deal just a few weeks back. So they threw in two choices nicely powered dual core CPUs(the i7 for this sucker isn't even a quad), that's great. What they should have done was find a good balance that could have really killed. Not that this thing won't sell like hotcakes, but come on!

Well, I think this went on a bit longer than I expected. Carry on

 

[sigma8]

38dB is not whisper quiet, sorry.

Really? Seems close enough.

Since every 10 decibels represents a doubling of volume, I'd say 30 vs 38 is "not close enough". That's not to say it's mind-numbingly loud, but 150% as loud as "whisper quiet" is not quite whisper quiet, especially when you are so close to it.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_a_three_dB_difference_in_sound_twice_as_loud
http://www.earinfo.com/how-to-read-a-hearing-aid-test/

Also, here's another chart that claims whispering is 20 db.. I guess library whisperers are obnoxiously loud. It also pegs a refrigerator hum at 40 db. I don't want my laptop to be that close to a refrigerator hum.

http://www.hearingaidknow.com/2007/03/07/how-loud-is-too-loud-decibel-levels-of-common-sounds/

 

[Airforce]

Since every 10 decibels represents a doubling of volume, I'd say 30 vs 38 is "not close enough". That's not to say it's mind-numbingly loud, but 150% as loud as "whisper quiet" is not quite whisper quiet, especially when you are so close to it.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_a_three_dB_difference_in_sound_twice_as_loud
http://www.earinfo.com/how-to-read-a-hearing-aid-test/

Also, here's another chart that claims whispering is 20 db.. I guess library whisperers are obnoxiously loud. It also pegs a refrigerator hum at 40 db. I don't want my laptop to be that close to a refrigerator hum.

http://www.hearingaidknow.com/2007/03/07/how-loud-is-too-loud-decibel-levels-of-common-sounds/

I guess I got a pretty quiet one! Anyways, the Macbook Pro is rated at 45.8 under load according to notebookcheck.net, the M11X at 43.4(30.6/31.7 idle). Pretty much identical. These things aren't exactly noisemakers, so that's a nonissue.

Put this train back on its tracks!

 

[sigma8]

Put this train back on its tracks!

The funny thing is that due to some multi-tabbing, I actually thought this was a fan noise thread. /headscratch

How would I find that info on notebookcheck? I'd need something to read while I find my thread %-)

 

[adnoh]

that's sad, how about removing the optical drive for graphics card??? MBA can do it why not MBP

The MBA has the samr setup as the the 2010 MBP i.e. C2D CPU and integrated 320m GPU.

The 320m is still integrated.

Or you could go with a 13" MBA instead.

no no no

 

[AppleMacFinder]

Intel Graphics HD3000 vs NVIDIA GeForce 320M/330M GT - Real Benchmarks and Comparison

HD Graphics 3000 is TOTALLY a deal-breaker for 13'
it is a Downgrade!!!

Right now I just want 320m back, i am not asking much.

I just dont know what to buy now (2010 MBP or 2011 MBP )

Check this thread, before you post:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1102927/

 

[phantomspacecop]

I for one am pretty happy with the new update.

I am a professional user and the massive cpu bump is very welcome. The 13" 2011 is actually faster then the 17" 2010. That is pretty darn huge. If you are somebody that does use that type of cpu power last year you had to buy a $2,000.00 MBP. Now you can buy a $1,200.00 MBP to get the same computing power. That is a massive deal if you ask me.

...Early benchmark tests have the 2011 13" MBP beating even my workhorse 21" iMac. Now if that doesn't impress anybody I'm not sure if some of you can ever be impressed. This now basically means for the exact same $1,200.00 cost I can get the same level of cpu and gpu performance in a now portable package.

As a design/video production student, I heartily concur. The fact that the 13" MBP's now sport the high end processors that the 15" of last year had, PLUS some, is enough to sell me on them. The people who are complaining about the new gpu are probably confusing the MPB with a true gaming machine, which it isn't, though it can do the job acceptably. The MPB does a different job. If you WANT a gaming computer, get a gaming computer/Alienware/desktop/whatever the frak.

I'm also very happy that Apple didn't jack up the price for the new machines. Yay, Apple!

 

[DustinT]

We need some discrete graphics love for the 13". I really can't game on my 2011 13" and I'm sad that I spent $1300+ on a laptop that won't play crysis.

 

[MacMini2009]

As a design/video production student, I heartily concur. The fact that the 13" MBP's now sport the high end processors that the 15" of last year had, PLUS some, is enough to sell me on them. The people who are complaining about the new gpu are probably confusing the MPB with a true gaming machine, which it isn't, though it can do the job acceptably. The MPB does a different job. If you WANT a gaming computer, get a gaming computer/Alienware/desktop/whatever the frak.

I'm also very happy that Apple didn't jack up the price for the new machines. Yay, Apple!

I agree, Macs aren't meant for gaming.

 

[DarwinOSX]

The 3000 is faster in some cases, slower in others, the same in others. Who is "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket?

HD Graphics 3000 is TOTALLY a deal-breaker for 13'
it is a Downgrade!!!

Right now I just want 320m back, i am not asking much.

Why dont we summit the feedbacks all together?? To let Apple know "HD Graphics 3000" is a deal-breaker??? To make them do the right thing!! to tell them they NEED TO CARE ABOUT OUR THOUGHTS!!!



here is the feedback link:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

I just dont know what to buy now (2010 MBP or 2011 MBP )

 

[Evil Spoonman]

We need some discrete graphics love for the 13". I really can't game on my 2011 13" and I'm sad that I spent $1300+ on a laptop that won't play crysis.

bahahaha... you crack me up.

 

[falterego]

You could always buy My 2010 13" 2.66 with a 120GB SSD. Looking at the price of things from when it was purchased, it's about a $2,100 package for computer/warranty/Speck case/SSD upgrade.