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Let's break down the "10 Major Features"

bbates123 said:
My main point was how Phil's speech at the keynote, in retrospect, seems to have been mostly a bunch of marketing BS.
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Steve Jobs did that so frequently during keynotes that it became "known" as the Reality Distortion Field.

This keynote wasn't any different to me, in terms of the RDF. Every time Cook says "magical", it creeps me out. lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

Also, outdoor low light pictures are a ton better for me on my 7.
 
bufffilm said:
So be smart and weigh the features well before you buy. Next year, you get to do it all over again.
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But it's hard to weigh the features when you're getting misleading info from Apple. What's probably best is to wait till after the launch and all the dust settles to appropriately validate what is fact and what is fiction.
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aristobrat said:
Also, outdoor low light pictures are a ton better for me on my 7.
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I wish I could say the same. Maybe I have a bad copy. But I do have 2 new sevens here and they both take the same quality photos.
 
bbates123 said:
But it's hard to weigh the features when you're getting misleading info from Apple. What's probably best is to wait till after the launch and all the dust settles to appropriately validate what is fact and what is fiction.
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I wish I could say the same. Maybe I have a bad copy. But I do have 2 new sevens here and they both take the same quality photos.
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You are absolutely right. You have to wait until after the dust settles before you can gauge the pros/cons.

Most people won't wait. Me...I never buy a phone based on keynotes or early reviews.

So you might have to wait 1-2 months more if you ordered the phone 2-3 weeks after launch. So what? Apple doesn't stop production or something...this isn't a limited edition phone.
 
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I have to agree with OP. Just look at the past iPhone jumps when we went from the 4S to the 5 and the 5S to the 6. Those jumps were recognizable. The 7 is playing it too safe. Why go through the trouble of redesigning the interior and you barely did anything with the exterior. Even the cases fit or can be designed to fit a 6 and 7.
If you take what Apple did and just wrap it around a new body people would not criticize what Apple has done. But then again buy a nice case or 2 and rock out until September 2017.
 
Apple comes out with a new version of the iPhone every single year. In fact they came out with 3 this year! Exactly how much different do you think they're going to be? There's only so much you can do before you start making the device worse rather than better.
 
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Such complainers. Remember when the first three iPhones offered virtually nothing new at each launch over the previous version? I think today people have incredibly high expectations over what should be included in a new phone each year. I think Apple has given more and more each year.

Btw, I LOVE the new design. I think it is my favorite iteration yet. This is coming from a 6. Nobody complains when Porsche releases a new 911 each year and that it closely resembles the original from decades past. Why drastically change a design for the heck of it? The 7 is a refined, sexy beast of a phone.
 
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Setarip said:
Such complainers. Remember when the first three iPhones offered virtually nothing new at each launch over the previous version? I think today people have incredibly high expectations over what should be included in a new phone each year. I think Apple has given more and more each year.

Btw, I LOVE the new design. I think it is my favorite iteration yet. This is coming from a 6. Nobody complains when Porsche releases a new 911 each year and that it closely resembles the original from decades past. Why drastically change a design for the heck of it? The 7 is a refined, sexy beast of a phone.
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My comment wasn't so much around the fact that Apple hasn't changed the design in 2 years, it was more about how they touted this as a "feature" in the presentation. I don't see moving antenna lines and changing the camera bump to be a "major" feature. I think "new colors" might have been a better bullet point for that slide and that still doesn't seem like a major feature to me, maybe for some.
 
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What is misleading? Misleading and deceptive marketing refer to false advertising. You advertise that your phone is water resistant for 30 mins under 1m... but the water cannot work after 20 minutes (LOOK at Samsung). You advertise your phone has a 12 hour battery life but battery life is 6-8 hours long...

Apple did not lie or mislead you. iPhone is professionally proven to take better low light photographs, geekbench shows that the A10 chip is in fact 40% faster, the screen is indeed 25% brighter.

But you cannot "see" or "experience" these upgrades. They did not lie. The problem is you did not experience so. You The problem is not Apple. For me, the iPhone 7+ is a super upgrade over 6+ and 6S+ because I love taking photographs (and night shots are fantastic) and i don't have lags playing my FIFA or SIM city.

Maybe your phone habits cannot utilise iPhone 7 functions. Try using a Note 7 or S7 and play EA Sports and compare which phone is better at playing games without lagging. And which battery is drained before evening.




All I'm saying is, don't over hype something to the point that you're disappointing your customers when they find your statements were misleading at best. All the going on and on about the camera when it's barely different from the 6S in real life as a perfect example. The 25% brighter screen when most people don't see a difference (oh that's only in sunlight...well that would have been nice to know). Phil was raving about the A10 chip and how it was 40% faster than the A9 (and graphics 50% faster than the A9). I think most consumers would reasonably expect to see a noticeable bump in speed in their everyday apps. I see zero. I'm assuming you will see it only in games and standard apps like Facebook or Yelp run on the low power cores that aren't any faster. Would have been nice to know.[/QUOTE]
 
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bbates123 said:
I mainly bought it for the camera improvements which have proven to be little to no improvement whatsoever. If you look at the my other thread (see link above) you will see for yourself, and then you can apologize for telling me to get my eyes checked. :) If you disagree then please post your own sample shots taken with both cameras, I would love to see them. I haven't seen anybody else post any great side by side shots that show the superiority of the 7 - many shots where the exposure isn't the same, from which I don't think you can form a fair comparison. Even out the exposure and let's see the detail in the shot. Anyhow, it's not just me...I haven't seen a professional review out there where they are raving about the new iPhone camera (and I'm specifically referring to the 7, not the 7+). And again, I'm not saying that the 7 doesn't take great shots, because it does! It just takes the same shots that the 6s took.
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I've posted a couple of pictures in your other thread where the camera on the 7 is clearly better than that of the 6s. At this point you should not be expecting earth-shattering improvements in any aspect of the device though. We have passed the phase of rapid growth and mobile is now entering a phase of maturity. Just looking at the specs between the two cameras you should be able to tell that it won't make a big difference under most conditions. Still, there is a clear improvement when the new model is used to its strengths.

I've owned nearly every iPhone model ever released and while this wasn't a 'must-have' update, honestly I don't think we've really had a 'must-have' update since the iPhone 4. I actually prefer when they continue to refine a design however, and I've been pleasantly surprised at how much I like this phone. I thought I wanted a real home button, but I now think the taptic button is even better. The camera improvements are noticeable enough for me, it's available in a 256GB model which I've wanted for years, and the design - a true matte black with a camera that's integrated rather than an afterthought makes this the best design since the iPhone 5 IMO.

Lastly, it was abundantly clear this year that if the camera was important to you, that the 7+ was the model to get. That's where the advancements are happening first. While the camera is very important to me, I chose the tradeoff of not getting the best camera because I don't want the larger device.
 
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waitandwait said:
Apple did not lie or mislead you. iPhone is professionally proven to take better low light photographs, geekbench shows that the A10 chip is in fact 40% faster, the screen is indeed 25% brighter.
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I stand by my sentiment that the marketing hype was misleading...perhaps not false. Where do you see that the 7 is professionally proven to take better low light photos? I would like to see side by side comparisons from a professional. If there is any improvement it is marginal at best and not something your average person could distinguish. And I'm talking testing where the exposure is set the same for both cameras. I have seen people post photos where the iPhone 7 exposure was higher in low light therefore they assumed it was a better camera. As to the A10 chip I'm sure geekbench would show it to be 40% faster but where does the average person see that in daily usage. I take my most resource intensive apps and they load exactly the same on both phones. I don't want a different phone...I like my iPhone. I'm just disappointed by Apple this year...I wasn't expecting an iPhone 6SS which is what I got.
 
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joonyaboy said:
I already deleted them but the two lowlight photos I took sidebyside were so dramatically different. I'll see if I can borrow someone's 6S and do it again. Low light is VASTLY improved
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If you can I would love to see them. The only thing I would ask is that if the 2 phones are exposing differently you adjust the exposure with the slider to match. Then ideally, pull them into a photo editing program where you can display them side by side, zoomed in to see some detail, and take a shot of that.
 
If you're coming from a 6s/6s Plus, I agree.

However, for me, coming from a 6 Plus, the difference is MASSIVE. It all depends on what hardware you're coming from.
 
I'm upgrading my iPhone 5s to an iPhone 7 Plus. Unlike you annual upgraders, with my scheme, I always notice a big difference when I upgrade.
 
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Funny....read the Samsung threads re: Note 7 (aside from it being an incendiary bomb) and people won't express as much disappointment with it compared to the Note 5. They simply won't buy it or return it. It is what it is.
 
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bbates123 said:
I stand by my sentiment that the marketing hype was misleading...perhaps not false. Where do you see that the 7 is professionally proven to take better low light photos? I would like to see side by side comparisons from a professional. If there is any improvement it is marginal at best and not something your average person could distinguish. And I'm talking testing where the exposure is set the same for both cameras. I have seen people post photos where the iPhone 7 exposure was higher in low light therefore they assumed it was a better camera. As to the A10 chip I'm sure geekbench would show it to be 40% faster but where does the average person see that in daily usage. I take my most resource intensive apps and they load exactly the same on both phones. I don't want a different phone...I like my iPhone. I'm just disappointed by Apple this year...I wasn't expecting an iPhone 6SS which is what I got.
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What's the whole point about your rant? If you are so disappointed and wasn't expecting the phone, JUST RETURN IT.

You mentioned "where does the average person see that in daily usage." I am an average person who played games and I saw that. A number of the people here said so too. You don't see it and you say Apple is misleading. They did not mislead you. It's just that your usage habits do not require that

You just check:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...-plus-camera-great-portraits-review/90522850/
http://au.pcmag.com/smartphones/435...us-vs-iphone-6s-vs-galaxy-s7-cameras-compared
http://time.com/4481849/iphone-7-photography/

For me and others, the camera is great. If you disagree, that's your opinion. It's fine. But Apple did not mislead you. Misleading somebody has a negative element which insinuate Apple is trying to cheat you. Apple didn't. If you are grievous about it, JUST RETURN THE PHONE. It's just a phone.
 
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Really happy with the upgrade from 6s to 7+. The black looks awesome, barely there antenna lines, the speakers are great, happy with the screen and camera, battery life has been great so far. I think they hit on most features.
 
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It isn't a HUGE upgrade but there are enough features in it that make me want to upgrade from my 6+. Phones are done being revolutionary.
 
I'm still waiting for my pre-order to arrive, although I am very excited. I'm currently upgrading from an iPhone 6 (64GB) to the iPhone 7 Plus (128 GB), so there will be plenty of new features. Earlier this year I dropped and shattered my iPhone 6 screen, so I had to get a 3rd party replacement since the frame of my iPhone was bent and Apple could not simply replace the screen, therefore my screen is kind of buckling and has light leaks and other weird issues. Here are the features I'm looking forward to in the new phone:

- jump from 64 GB to 128 GB of storage
- A8 to A10 Fusion chip (mine lags sometimes)
- 1GB to 3GB of RAM
- 4.7" to 5.5" Screen
- Wide Color Screen
- 326 ppi to 401 ppi
- 3D Touch
- Cool new home button
- 2nd Gen Taptic Engine
- Live photos
- jump from 8 MP to 12 MP Primary lens
- jump from 1.2 MP to 7 MP FaceTime HD Camera
- Image stabalization for front lens
- Retina Flash for Selfies
- Wide color capture on front and back lenses
- Quad-LED True Tone Flash
- jump from f/2.2 to f/1.8 on primary lens for Low light photos
- Telephoto lens for 2x zoom
- Double lenses for future depth mapping applications
- Bokeh effect coming later
- 4K Video recording
- Optical image stabilization
- "stereo" speakers
- Water resistance
- New black color
- 3x Stronger Aluminum compared to iPhone 6
- 1810 mAh to 2,900 mAh battery
- Better bluetooth, much faster LTE speeds
- 2nd generation Touch-ID
- support for W1 chip enabled devices

This to me seems to be a very large feature set. I understand that many people on the 6s may not see much improvements, but that's typically the case if you upgrade every year.
 
waitandwait said:
What's the whole point about your rant? If you are so disappointed and wasn't expecting the phone, JUST RETURN IT.

You mentioned "where does the average person see that in daily usage." I am an average person who played games and I saw that. A number of the people here said so too. You don't see it and you say Apple is misleading. They did not mislead you. It's just that your usage habits do not require that

You just check:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...-plus-camera-great-portraits-review/90522850/
http://au.pcmag.com/smartphones/435...us-vs-iphone-6s-vs-galaxy-s7-cameras-compared
http://time.com/4481849/iphone-7-photography/

For me and others, the camera is great. If you disagree, that's your opinion. It's fine. But Apple did not mislead you. Misleading somebody has a negative element which insinuate Apple is trying to cheat you. Apple didn't. If you are grievous about it, JUST RETURN THE PHONE. It's just a phone.
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How many times do I have to explain this? I don't want to return the phone, I don't hate the phone! In some respects it's better than my 6S. Now I get water resistance which is great. I just feel disappointed with Apple in their lackluster upgrade and their marketing machine that seemed to imply that I was getting more than I actually got. Glad you see better improvement in games. That's good to know now that gaming is the only place I would see an improvement. I don't play games, oh well.

As to your photo links none of them compare the 6S to the 7. That's where I'm telling you there is barely any difference even in low light. In plenty of light there is absolutely zero difference. I'm still waiting for somebody to prove me wrong, other than anecdotal opinions without any backing proof. The iPhone 7 IS great...it's just barely better than the 6S.
 
M-5 said:
I'm still waiting for my pre-order to arrive, although I am very excited. I'm currently upgrading from an iPhone 6 (64GB) to the iPhone 7 Plus (128 GB), so there will be plenty of new features. Earlier this year I dropped and shattered my iPhone 6 screen, so I had to get a 3rd party replacement since the frame of my iPhone was bent and Apple could not simply replace the screen, therefore my screen is kind of buckling and has light leaks and other weird issues. Here are the features I'm looking forward to in the new phone:

- jump from 64 GB to 128 GB of storage
- A8 to A10 Fusion chip (mine lags sometimes)
- 1GB to 3GB of RAM
- 4.7" to 5.5" Screen
- Wide Color Screen
- 326 ppi to 401 ppi
- 3D Touch
- Cool new home button
- 2nd Gen Taptic Engine
- Live photos
- jump from 8 MP to 12 MP Primary lens
- jump from 1.2 MP to 7 MP FaceTime HD Camera
- Image stabalization for front lens
- Retina Flash for Selfies
- Wide color capture on front and back lenses
- Quad-LED True Tone Flash
- jump from f/2.2 to f/1.8 on primary lens for Low light photos
- Telephoto lens for 2x zoom
- Double lenses for future depth mapping applications
- Bokeh effect coming later
- 4K Video recording
- Optical image stabilization
- "stereo" speakers
- Water resistance
- New black color
- 3x Stronger Aluminum compared to iPhone 6
- 1810 mAh to 2,900 mAh battery
- Better bluetooth, much faster LTE speeds
- 2nd generation Touch-ID
- support for W1 chip enabled devices

This to me seems to be a very large feature set. I understand that many people on the 6s may not see much improvements, but that's typically the case if you upgrade every year.
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Pretty much sums up what's new from a 6 to the 7+.

A very nice summation.
 
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