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Let's Build a 'True Pro' Machine
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This. We have to work with what is currently available. The laws of physics are the laws of physics.
- I might see if I could maybe beef up the touch bar ram in such a way that I could get additional ram higher than the current 16gigs of ram we have now... maybe put the iPad ram in there. Then use it for processes that go over 16gigs could use the additional 4gigs of ram to keep things efficient.
- I'd get rid of the legacy audio jack. There are enough USB-C ports there.
- Add a legacy/lightening/usba audio to USB-C connector single dongle in the box. It would have USB-C on one side and both legacy and lightening on the other side.
- A generation from now I'd certainly add an OLED display.
That's all.
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MXM would be ideal. Not everybody needs a workstation card.
And it would allow you to upgrade.
What is bad is that Intel does not offer ECC on CPUs cheaper than Xeon.
1. Water resistant keyboard
2. 4k OLED wide gamut screen
3. I'm fine with the TB3 ports
4. Slightly thinner than 2015 MBP, but not as thin as new MBP because Keyboard Travel
5. 32/512 base model
6. Native eGPU support
7. I'm also fine with the built in Polaris graphics
8. No touchbar
9. Apple Pencil trackpad compatibility
10. User replaceable SSD drive
For $3000 this would be reasonable.
2. 4k OLED wide gamut screen
3. I'm fine with the TB3 ports
4. Slightly thinner than 2015 MBP, but not as thin as new MBP because Keyboard Travel
5. 32/512 base model
6. Native eGPU support
7. I'm also fine with the built in Polaris graphics
8. No touchbar
9. Apple Pencil trackpad compatibility
10. User replaceable SSD drive
For $3000 this would be reasonable.
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Anyone who has studied physics extensively know this isn't exactly the case.
And if this tautology were true, there would be no need to ever advance the MacBook Pro further.
- escape and function keys
- 4K anti glare wide gamut display
- MXM graphics
- ECC
- 4 DDR4 SODIMM slots
- 1 SATA Express 2.5" bay 15mm
- 1 full length NVME m.2 slot
- 1 LTE-A card with unlocked SIM in second m.2 slot
- 1 MagSafe
- 2 full bandwidth TB3 ports
- 1 DisplayPort 1.3
- 2 USB 3.1 Type A ports
- 2 eSATAp/3.1 ports
- 1 10GBase-T port
- 1 ExpressCard slot
- 1 audio out with optical
- 1 audio in port
- 1 FW800 port
- 1 HDMI 2.0 port
- 1 VGA port
- 1 serial port
- removable battery
- BDXL burner
- 4K anti glare wide gamut display
- MXM graphics
- ECC
- 4 DDR4 SODIMM slots
- 1 SATA Express 2.5" bay 15mm
- 1 full length NVME m.2 slot
- 1 LTE-A card with unlocked SIM in second m.2 slot
- 1 MagSafe
- 2 full bandwidth TB3 ports
- 1 DisplayPort 1.3
- 2 USB 3.1 Type A ports
- 2 eSATAp/3.1 ports
- 1 10GBase-T port
- 1 ExpressCard slot
- 1 audio out with optical
- 1 audio in port
- 1 FW800 port
- 1 HDMI 2.0 port
- 1 VGA port
- 1 serial port
- removable battery
- BDXL burner
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- 15" UHD display
- Xeon E3 1575m
- 64GB ECC DDR4
- 2 x 1TB SSD in RAID 0
- smartcard reader (in addition to fingerprint)
- SD card reader, USB-C/thunderbolt 3, USB-A, RJ-45, HDMI, mini display port
- nVidia quadro m2000m
- Qualcomm X7 LTE modem
Because real Pros don't play around with middling specs like 32GB RAM or consumer class CPU.
And yes, this laptop exists. It's a Dell Precision 7000. It's funny many of the naysayers didn't even mention this, and can only suggest gaming laptops instead.
- Xeon E3 1575m
- 64GB ECC DDR4
- 2 x 1TB SSD in RAID 0
- smartcard reader (in addition to fingerprint)
- SD card reader, USB-C/thunderbolt 3, USB-A, RJ-45, HDMI, mini display port
- nVidia quadro m2000m
- Qualcomm X7 LTE modem
Because real Pros don't play around with middling specs like 32GB RAM or consumer class CPU.
And yes, this laptop exists. It's a Dell Precision 7000. It's funny many of the naysayers didn't even mention this, and can only suggest gaming laptops instead.
Yeah but those people are blatantly wrong. the thing about whiners is you just ignore them, create an amazing product, and they'll love it anyway because reality will eventually be more valuable to them than the attention you get for being drama queen.
I don't know how mobile Xeon differs from i7. I don't pay much attention to Intel CPUs.
Some people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about in this thread.
LOL. The Precision 7000 weighs 6lbs without its 2lb power adapter! And it's thicker than two 15" MBP's stacked on top of each other. That device is quintessentially Dell.
Yeah, but the key point is:
One of those running MacOS X would serve my needs better than the two 15" MBPs.
This is why Apple isn't licensing the OS. They aren't in the business of making computers; they're in the business of making expensive dongles for their software.
But the really interesting thing is that the 15" MBP offers essentially the same (in fact, a bit higher) performance and a better display for comparable price, while being half the weight (don't forget to count in a whopping 778g power supply of the Dell) and offering more then double the battery life at the same time. Yes, a great thing (and the only great thing, really) about the Dell is that can offers you vast quantities of ECC RAM. In every other regard, its a very specialised niche machine. I just don't see it. The MBP is simply a better product for the same money — except if you really need more then 16GB RAM on the go. Why cripple a general-purpose laptop in order to address the need of very few niche users?
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Then you are not a target customer of Apple. I really don't understand the issue. I mean, I am not complaining that Tesla doesn't build a truck because I REALLY NEED A TRUCK. Apple has never ever made a mobile workstation, their focus is mobile performance. Why expect a workstation from them now?
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My experience with the MBP has been that it can't do sustained workloads as well as the heavier PCs, without making a noise like a jet engine. At least, that's what my last couple have been like. And they've usually had noticably sub-par GPUs.
But you're also, I think, undervaluing the selection of ports. Those ports matter significantly to my happiness with the machine. So does the function key row, honestly. If I weren't using the laptop mostly-docked, I would probably consider the lack of an escape key a complete dealbreaker. (As is, I'm gonna get one and see how it goes. Worst case, I have to give up and migrate to Linux or Windows over the next couple of years.)
No, Apple doesn't license the OS because it would harm the Apple brand to have OSX running on that travesty of a laptop.
For a Pro machine I would suggest 32GB DDR4 ram and at least a GTX 1060.
Also an HDMI port would be useful. The HDMI port in the 2015 machine was certainly useful in a lot of meeting rooms where I had to host presentations!
Also an HDMI port would be useful. The HDMI port in the 2015 machine was certainly useful in a lot of meeting rooms where I had to host presentations!
Because those keep their services revenue streams open to a wider selection of devices. They recognize that there are a ton of people who are going to buy iphones but not Macs. This keeps them glued to their monthly paid services.
That is actually an excellent observation!
They could not overprice their laptops anymore (compared to the competition)!
There's quite a bit of junk hardware. They could still charge a premium.
I know Apple will never do this, however, I feel like for a true MacBook Pro the CPU should not be soldered, that way we can upgrade our CPU's and the same with the RAM. I would gladly pay $3,000-3,500 for a MacBook Pro that I know I could upgrade so it would last even longer. Please do not get me wrong, Apple machines last a LONG time. My late-2010 MacBook Air is still going strong running macOS Sierra. You know what sucks though? I am pretty sure this is the last macOS it will get because it only have 4GB of RAM. If I could upgrade the RAM on it, and maybe the CPU I could keep that thing going until the display or logic board failed. Apple used to let you upgrade the RAM (I am not sure if you could ever upgrade the CPU.)
As far as specs:
1. How about a Intel Xeon CPU? (Intel Xeon E3-1505M v5 processor (2.8 GHz base, up to 3.7 GHz with Max Turbo, 8MB Cache.) This very CPU is in a Lenovo ThinkPad, and it supports up to 64GB of RAM! Also supports 4k. I know it came out in 2015, but I am sure there is a 2016 version, even if not, that CPU is a beast. I understand the computer would have to be thicker and weigh a little more but come on people, is a little bit more weight that hard to carry??
http://ark.intel.com/products/89608/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1505M-v5-8M-Cache-2_80-GHz
2. How about overclocking the CPU, if we cannot replace it?
3. Obviously the best RAM out there.
4. AMD Polaris Graphics (Maybe make this able to be Overclocked?)
5. At least one USB A Port, USB-C Ports with full power!
I know people are going to judge me and crap because of this post, but I was just trying to think outside of the box a little. I know this will NEVER happen on a Apple laptop but it would be nice. There are other things I would like but I have to run out for a few. Please people, take it easy on me, haha
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As far as specs:
1. How about a Intel Xeon CPU? (Intel Xeon E3-1505M v5 processor (2.8 GHz base, up to 3.7 GHz with Max Turbo, 8MB Cache.) This very CPU is in a Lenovo ThinkPad, and it supports up to 64GB of RAM! Also supports 4k. I know it came out in 2015, but I am sure there is a 2016 version, even if not, that CPU is a beast. I understand the computer would have to be thicker and weigh a little more but come on people, is a little bit more weight that hard to carry??
http://ark.intel.com/products/89608/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1505M-v5-8M-Cache-2_80-GHz
2. How about overclocking the CPU, if we cannot replace it?
3. Obviously the best RAM out there.
4. AMD Polaris Graphics (Maybe make this able to be Overclocked?)
5. At least one USB A Port, USB-C Ports with full power!
I know people are going to judge me and crap because of this post, but I was just trying to think outside of the box a little. I know this will NEVER happen on a Apple laptop but it would be nice. There are other things I would like but I have to run out for a few. Please people, take it easy on me, haha
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Yeah, I was carrying the 17" MBP around for a good few years at 3Kg...that was fine for me...I'd happily go with that.