All Apple had to do was keep the old chassis size and battery, leave all the legacy ports, Add the skylake processors and the new brighter screen and a better dGPU in the 15" models. The machine would have had over 15 hours battery life and been one of the most powerful machines on the market.
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Let's Build a 'True Pro' Machine
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Name a mobile GPU more powerful than the Radeon Pro 460 that would be capable of getting 15 hours battery life in the previous chassis.
Hint: There isn't one.
No, it was not all Apple had to do.
The least they have to do is bring the cMBP back.
Keep these two new MBPs (13'' and 15'') but sell them at sane prices and add a Razor Blade Pro (17'') running OSX (macOS) to the line up.
And every one would be happy!
And every one would be happy!
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In the 15" chassis I'm sure Apple could have put a better GPU in while still keeping battery life at least above 10 hours.
Can you name a currently available GPU that is better than Polaris 11 while making the thermal envelope?
I hate to be so black and white, but there just is not a critique to be made of this GPU's specs. It's truly incredible that you can be running such a high performance unit in a machine like this, considering heat, noise, form factor, etc.
This is how you know when people are bluffing – taking the literal most exciting thing about the build and saying it's a poor choice. What's next? Are you going to tell us the gamut is too small even though it's the biggest one you can get on anything anyone sells?
The GPU choice is absolutely excellent here. Say all you will about ports and keyboards, but all the processing units in these machines are absolutely top-notch decisions on Apple's part.
This machine is aimed at professional people in workplaces – not zitty teenagers in basements playing Battlefield all day, with the fans blasting and giant headphones on to cancel the noise. Form factors too big and junky to carry around to meetings. A bigger GPU would have been an absolutely awful choice.
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I find it funny that people refer to SD-card slot as a "Pro" thing to have.
I guess I'm not "Pro" then since I don't need it and have never done when working on my MBP.
I guess I'm not "Pro" then since I don't need it and have never done when working on my MBP.
Here people max out this till 6xxx,-, done, be happy, problem solved...
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=1322151&quantity=1
Or this...
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=1317651&quantity=1
Max out to 8k
W00t too expensive? You ain't Pro!
There is always something better for the right "Pro" job...
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=1322151&quantity=1
Or this...
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=1317651&quantity=1
Max out to 8k
W00t too expensive? You ain't Pro!
There is always something better for the right "Pro" job...
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Hey all,
I'm fine with the direction of the specs, price could have been a bit more competitive. 32 GB would have been a nice option, but that will be coming in the near future no doubt.
Include a multi port dongle, to keep things working out of the box with peripherals, and do a just a bit better on the price.
As current power is kinda capped by intel, it would be interesting if they did an additional fast Arm chip. X86! etc..wait...
This chip would be specifically for Apple only apps like iWork or iLife stuff like photos, iTunes maybe, so that Apple could work on that software without breaking 3rd party software for other people. So not a replacement for x86, but a complement.
This may also allow completely separate CPU overhead, so even if your rendering on all 4 cores, if you wanted to use iTunes, do something in photos, you wouldn't be worried about taking the power away or jinxing whatever you are doing.
This way apple can still get performance gains on their own terms. Just a fantasy idea, but you get the gist.
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Include their own, breakaway mag safe cable, like the 3rd party ones but done from apple. So we still get mag safe. I just miss that too much.
Would love some decent speakers too not a big deal but last gen ones are terrible, I hear the new ones are much better and waiting to see what the 15inch sounds like.
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Really getting out there.
Create a dock or eGPU peripheral, so those who want to game or need top power can do so, but I think this would take away from the Mac Pro line and it wouldn't be very portable.
" Introducing the Mac PowerUp, use any video card and plug it in, and connect to your Mac. Just works "
3rd Edit: (hey I'm king of apple for the day right.) This is mostly just for me.
Put back the power sleep/light, something subtle that also can give battery status like the old ones, but mostly because liked the feeling of it being organic. Something about it I just miss.
4th: Include the TV app integrated that works with remote, essentially bringing a form of "Front Row" back. member that!
I'm fine with the direction of the specs, price could have been a bit more competitive. 32 GB would have been a nice option, but that will be coming in the near future no doubt.
Include a multi port dongle, to keep things working out of the box with peripherals, and do a just a bit better on the price.
As current power is kinda capped by intel, it would be interesting if they did an additional fast Arm chip. X86! etc..wait...
This chip would be specifically for Apple only apps like iWork or iLife stuff like photos, iTunes maybe, so that Apple could work on that software without breaking 3rd party software for other people. So not a replacement for x86, but a complement.
This may also allow completely separate CPU overhead, so even if your rendering on all 4 cores, if you wanted to use iTunes, do something in photos, you wouldn't be worried about taking the power away or jinxing whatever you are doing.
This way apple can still get performance gains on their own terms. Just a fantasy idea, but you get the gist.
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Include their own, breakaway mag safe cable, like the 3rd party ones but done from apple. So we still get mag safe. I just miss that too much.
Would love some decent speakers too not a big deal but last gen ones are terrible, I hear the new ones are much better and waiting to see what the 15inch sounds like.
2nd Edit:
Really getting out there.
Create a dock or eGPU peripheral, so those who want to game or need top power can do so, but I think this would take away from the Mac Pro line and it wouldn't be very portable.
" Introducing the Mac PowerUp, use any video card and plug it in, and connect to your Mac. Just works "
3rd Edit: (hey I'm king of apple for the day right.) This is mostly just for me.
Put back the power sleep/light, something subtle that also can give battery status like the old ones, but mostly because liked the feeling of it being organic. Something about it I just miss.
4th: Include the TV app integrated that works with remote, essentially bringing a form of "Front Row" back. member that!
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Don't forget dual dvd/bluray so you can run duplication, it's pro after all!
I would add replaceable full size video card and touch screen complete with stylus holder and "puck" drawer. Might have to up the weight to 15 lbs tho.
I think apple did a decent job with the tech currently avaliable.
Is it a pro anymore, we can debate that forever, but it does provide a decent amount of processing power, RAM and battery life for the average pro user.
Yes 32gb Ram would have been good, it'll be there next upgrade.
lrddr4 Ram would have been good, it'll be there next upgrade.
A new gen 7 CPU,would have been good, it'll be there next upgrade.
Intel issues have hindered this model, but for 90% of the people using the rMPB, its pretty dam good.
The Next Macbook Pro will be awesome, if they addressed the above and once intel provides them with a GTe3 CPU Kabylake
Still i ordered a new 2016 and ill be happy enough with it. it's just a laptop at the end of the day.
Is it a pro anymore, we can debate that forever, but it does provide a decent amount of processing power, RAM and battery life for the average pro user.
Yes 32gb Ram would have been good, it'll be there next upgrade.
lrddr4 Ram would have been good, it'll be there next upgrade.
A new gen 7 CPU,would have been good, it'll be there next upgrade.
Intel issues have hindered this model, but for 90% of the people using the rMPB, its pretty dam good.
The Next Macbook Pro will be awesome, if they addressed the above and once intel provides them with a GTe3 CPU Kabylake
Still i ordered a new 2016 and ill be happy enough with it. it's just a laptop at the end of the day.
This is the inside of the thinnest .69 inches current "I think, only been out a few months" pascal 1060 6gb laptop, the MSI gs63vr. Notice there are TWO fans and a crap load of copper piping in there? You really think Apple could fit that in a MBP? Also https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2868/geforce-gtx-1060
Well I just sold my late 2015 MBPr 15inch top spec model.
kinda sad , the new one isnt an upgrade, the loss of the sd card reader is just a disaster for me.
I do own a small video production company.
My desktops are big Windows towers with 8 core and 10 core cpu's
I am not biased to Windows or Mac.
I just use them to run the adobe CC suite
Both have their cons and pro's.
and I am still using a 13 inch macbook from 2008...
here goes my rant.
I do think Apple has :
Great design
Good efficiency
Quality is top notch
trackpad is awesome
the bad:
I dont really give an arse about the Oled screen.
Lack of legacy ports.
Price is ridiculous.
CPU is outdated already
8GB ram max? wtf?
My ideal Macbook PRO
new 15inch 2016 form factor.
dells infinity edge display.
Oled screen (new Alienware 13 R3 packs this for 1700 usd)
at least 16gb ddr4L
512gb SSD NVME and not soldered!
i7 Kaby lake 7600HQ
SD card reader FFS!
The Alienware 13 looks a bit crap but that thing packs performance !
kinda sad , the new one isnt an upgrade, the loss of the sd card reader is just a disaster for me.
I do own a small video production company.
My desktops are big Windows towers with 8 core and 10 core cpu's
I am not biased to Windows or Mac.
I just use them to run the adobe CC suite
Both have their cons and pro's.
and I am still using a 13 inch macbook from 2008...
here goes my rant.
I do think Apple has :
Great design
Good efficiency
Quality is top notch
trackpad is awesome
the bad:
I dont really give an arse about the Oled screen.
Lack of legacy ports.
Price is ridiculous.
CPU is outdated already
8GB ram max? wtf?
My ideal Macbook PRO
new 15inch 2016 form factor.
dells infinity edge display.
Oled screen (new Alienware 13 R3 packs this for 1700 usd
)at least 16gb ddr4L
512gb SSD NVME and not soldered!
i7 Kaby lake 7600HQ
SD card reader FFS!
The Alienware 13 looks a bit crap but that thing packs performance !
My ideal Macbook PRO
new 15inch 2016 form factor.
dells infinity edge display.
Oled screen (new Alienware 13 R3 packs this for 1700 usd
at least 16gb ddr4L
512gb SSD NVME and not soldered!
i7 Kaby lake 7600HQ
SD card reader FFS!
I think you mean 7700 as the 7600 is an i5. But Intel hasn't announced a mobile version of either yet, so there's really no way to know if they're something anyone wants...
And how are their battery holding up with that?
And if they're holding up good, how much thicker are they compared to the new MBP?
Firstly, I'm not suggesting Apple use a Desktop class GPU, I'm just making the point that they could do better then the 460. Secondly its a "Pro" machine, thinness should not be the priority!!!
We are all well aware that Apple have done well to fit what they have in the current form factor, no doubt about it, I'm a proud owner of the 2016 base rMBP, its great as a prosumer machine.
Now you are contradicting yourself. When I ask you what would be a better GPU than the Polaris 11, you start talking about desktop GPUs. Now you are saying that you are not talking about a desktop class GPU. So which is it? What currently shipping GPU would, in your opinion, be a better match for the MBP than Polaris 11, without completely breaking the thermal design spec?
Yes, its a pro machine, not a gaming laptop. Whats about this obsession with GPUs and the moniker 'pro'? The Radeons in the MBP are pro-level cards btw, just like Quadros. And they are faster than the M1000M/M2000M in the 3+kg 'pro' laptops quoted in this thread.
If you read my post I was just making a point by mentioning desktop class GPU's. Anyway some people will defend anything Apple do, its pointless arguing with such people
I have a laptop for you guys.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10795...c-phobos-8716-laptop-review-dtr-with-gtx-1080
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10795...c-phobos-8716-laptop-review-dtr-with-gtx-1080
If you read my post I was just making a point by mentioning desktop class GPU's. Anyway some people will defend anything Apple do, its pointless arguing with such people
Of course I defend what Apple does here, because they literally did the best possible thing under the circumstances. There is no other currently existing mobile GPU under 50W with comparable performance. You can't base your arguments on some fantasy hardware and then say 'oh, Apple will figure it out'. They don't have a time machine. They can't use a GPU that doesn't exist.
I don't care about weight. I do care about being able to use it in a typical economy class airplane seat - so make it an inch thick with an edge-to-edge display and no bezel please
Then why keep the headphone jack? A lightning port would've been more useful no? You're punishing your customers who bought the iPhone7!