Let's play "What feature is apple holding back from the 5 to force you to go 5s?"

cyks said:
Why put in the time, R&D, and added expenses of not only creating a 'deluxe' model, but dedicating a production line to it (when there are already shortages) when only a (very) limited few will buy it?

It makes much more sense to simply realize that the price point wouldn't be feasible for the masses and wait for technology to drop in price and then work on it.
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acosmichippo said:
I would guess they don't see the value in developing a completely separate iPhone model. More R&D, more manufacturing overhead, more software fragmentation... There's a reason Apple makes the most money of any smartphone manufacturer despite only releasing one new phone per year.
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Guys you're talking nonsense here...some on. By your meaning the iphone 3gs should be going for peanuts now. Is it!? Nope...

They aren't going to wait for tech to get cheaper to satisfy that part of the market lol they going to produce what makes Them money and that's it.

They don't and never will make a full blown iphone cause its not profitable, they'll hold back features to simply milk the system. Believe it!

Fragmentation?...I never said anything regardng that aspect. I just said top hardware specs (current screen will suffice).

R&D? Lol it is nothing for them to release the same phone with updated specs...please give me valid points. This is rubbish...

And regarding them selling 1 iphone model. That is there marketing strategy, you can't say, well they sold 32million of 1 model, if they had two different ones it would be 64. Nope, that is what attracts people to the iphone, cause there is only 1 model.
 
mcman77 said:
They aren't going to wait for tech to get cheaper to satisfy that part of the market lol they going to produce what makes Them money and that's it.
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Nope, they are going to wait until the market is large enough, THEN they will produce a product that fits that market. If they don't feel the market for a "Premium" device is large enough, it won't be produced until the market demand is there.

You seem fairly clueless on this subject based on your posts so far.
 
Geckotek said:
No, you're reading wrong. I never said that. I'm saying the same thing applies. User's aren't going to dump their iPhone 4 just to buy the 4S for Siri.
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Apparently many did, considering that the vast majority upgraded to the 4S from 4 when at&t allowed them to so at the fully subsidized price and now most are stuck with not being able to upgrade this year without paying the $250 or full retail.
 
JayLenochiniMac said:
Apparently many did, considering that the vast majority upgraded to the 4S from 4 when at&t allowed them to so at the fully subsidized price and now most are stuck with not being able to upgrade this year without paying the $250 or full retail.
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...and who said it was strictly for Siri and not a combination of Siri, a (much) faster processor, better camera, or that many people either want or became accustomed to getting the 'latest and greatest' each year.
 
JayLenochiniMac said:
Apparently many did, considering that the vast majority upgraded to the 4S from 4 when at&t allowed them to so at the fully subsidized price and now most are stuck with not being able to upgrade this year without paying the $250 or full retail.
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I'm curious where you got your numbers regarding that "many". Exactly how much is many.

Regardless, let's say many did (I doubt the percentage is that high) but not because Apple held back Siri to get them to upgrade. I'm saying that while some do, Apple isn't planning their device releases around that assumption. Features are released when they are complete and ready to be released as well as fitting into a certain cost requirment. So while a 40MP camera may be available, if it pushes the price of the device up $30, then we'll get an 8MP camera instead. There are many factors that are taken into consideration, but holding back features just to sell the next model is bad for business and Apple knows this.
 
Geckotek said:
I'm curious where you got your numbers regarding that "many". Exactly how much is many.
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That's easy to extrapolate from the number of 4S complainers in this forum who suddenly find themselves ineligible to upgrade at the fully subsidized prices like in the past years.

Now, where did you get the idea that users aren't going to dump the 4 for the 4S for some minor upgrades, as all the complaining we get indicates otherwise?
 
JayLenochiniMac said:
That's easy to extrapolate from the number of 4S complainers in this forum who suddenly find themselves ineligible to upgrade at the fully subsidized prices like in the past years.

Now, where did you get the idea that users aren't going to dump the 4 for the 4S for some minor upgrades, as all the complaining we get indicates otherwise?
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I'm not saying none would. I'm saying not a significant number that Apple would plan holding back entire features hoping for it. Especially since so many of them are in contract. A bunch of people complaining in a forum does not account for millions of sales.

Apple's focus will be stealing customers from other manufacturers. Holding back features just hurts that, it doesn't help.

Edit: I tell you what, you and I should open lemonade stands on opposite corners. You make some lemonade that is a little bit shy of the best you can do. I'll serve my best. Let's see who pulls more customers. And then as we both continue to get better at making lemonade, you continue to hold back and I'll make my best......see where this is going? Eventually you lose all your customers to me. Holding back features for the next model when the market is very competetive is not a wise business strategy. And with $82B sitting in the bank....Apple isn't stupid. The ONLY reason they hold back features is if A) the tech isn't ready B) it drives the cost up or C) the market isn't ready.
 
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Not sure yet...but you never want to put all of your eggs into one basket...espeically if you want to keep the sales strong.

But I think Apple likes to make a few STRONG features and sell on those than making a lot and people missing those features.
 
Geckotek said:
Nope, they are going to wait until the market is large enough, THEN they will produce a product that fits that market. If they don't feel the market for a "Premium" device is large enough, it won't be produced until the market demand is there.

You seem fairly clueless on this subject based on your posts so far.
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I'm clueless? lol you misunderstood my point to begin with!. Anyway i'll leave it at that.

I'm slightly disappointed in the ignorance some people have but its a nice gesture to believe regardless.
 
mcman77 said:
I'm clueless? lol you misunderstood my point to begin with!. Anyway i'll leave it at that.

I'm slightly disappointed in the ignorance some people have but its a nice gesture to believe regardless.
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Yes, we are disspointed for you. But someday you'll catch up.

Apple doesn't make expensive gadgets just for the sake of making expensive gadgets and hoping people will buy them. They will make a gadget that they know has a large enough market. In other words, Apple isn't the "MartinLogan" of gadgets.
 
Geckotek said:
Yes, we are disspointed for you. But someday you'll catch up.

Apple doesn't make expensive gadgets just for the sake of making expensive gadgets and hoping people will buy them. They will make a gadget that they know has a large enough market. In other words, Apple isn't the "MartinLogan" of gadgets.
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carry on praising corporations as if they will give you life lol. Good luck
 
If the purported res of the 5 is carried over to the 5S.....uuurgh! That res is passable now, at a stretch, but into late 2014 when the 5S's successor is due? Good grief, it'll look like an old Nokia by then.
 
Geckotek said:
I'm not saying none would. I'm saying not a significant number that Apple would plan holding back entire features hoping for it. Especially since so many of them are in contract. A bunch of people complaining in a forum does not account for millions of sales.

Apple's focus will be stealing customers from other manufacturers. Holding back features just hurts that, it doesn't help.

Edit: I tell you what, you and I should open lemonade stands on opposite corners. You make some lemonade that is a little bit shy of the best you can do. I'll serve my best. Let's see who pulls more customers. And then as we both continue to get better at making lemonade, you continue to hold back and I'll make my best......see where this is going? Eventually you lose all your customers to me. Holding back features for the next model when the market is very competetive is not a wise business strategy. And with $82B sitting in the bank....Apple isn't stupid. The ONLY reason they hold back features is if A) the tech isn't ready B) it drives the cost up or C) the market isn't ready.
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Following your lemonade analogy, your best lemonade tastes like crap to my and many more, how many? Millions.

You missed a couple 'ONLY':
D) Unless the lizard approves it and release his magical wisdom in a forum
E) The Potosi factor

Apple has many patents an inventions, some are publicly known and many aren't.

ePaper Hybrid Display
Haptics feedback screen
Solar power
Cloud services

So what was Apple's rationale to drop FireWire in the iPod? Why they didn't include USB3?
There is no market for Blu-Ray?

They do not include many features with the aim to push certains services they offer and make more revenue out their paid services. Some are crappy, some are free and suck.
Ping.
 
This argument is so over. You guys just have no clue. I'm done with it.

Good luck believing your conspiracy theories and that all the world is out to screw you.
 
I am a manufacturer and retailer by trade and continually improve and add to my product lines. The thought of holding back an R&D'd and completed feature/product to my customers simply in the hope off increasing sales in the next generation is the most inane idea I have heard for a successful business. We will rush certain products/features to market to get ahead of our competition - but to hold back and to lose ground in the marketplace is unthinkable. We do always have features and products that we are working on and wish to release once the price point of manufacture is low enough for the final end cost to the consumer. It is pretty evident to me that this is how Apple works - they have the added complication of having to wait for certain hardware and technologies to be ready for any said feature to be released. Forget the conspiracies guys - features and products come to market at the soonest time that they can and if anything were true products that are determined to be poor by the consumer are the ones badly R&D'd and brought to market far too early. I think a business that pride's themselves on the quality of their products understands this basic business principle.
 
The main thing Im looking forward to is HOPEFULLY even better optics!!!
Sure iI have a Canon T4i, but my iPhone 4S is always on me. I take so many more pics on my iPhone than i do with my dslr.
Dont get it confused, the DSLR's blow away the iPhone.

That being said, hopefully they drop down the f stop a little more, include even better lenses & also maybe up the megapixels to 10.
Megapixels dont mean better picture, optics mean better picture.
 
carefreecork said:
I am a manufacturer and retailer by trade and continually improve and add to my product lines. The thought of holding back an R&D'd and completed feature/product to my customers simply in the hope off increasing sales in the next generation is the most inane idea I have heard for a successful business. We will rush certain products/features to market to get ahead of our competition - but to hold back and to lose ground in the marketplace is unthinkable. We do always have features and products that we are working on and wish to release once the price point of manufacture is low enough for the final end cost to the consumer. It is pretty evident to me that this is how Apple works - they have the added complication of having to wait for certain hardware and technologies to be ready for any said feature to be released. Forget the conspiracies guys - features and products come to market at the soonest time that they can and if anything were true products that are determined to be poor by the consumer are the ones badly R&D'd and brought to market far too early. I think a business that pride's themselves on the quality of their products understands this basic business principle.
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Excellent post. I made a similar post regarding one of my old employers, but I think it was in another thread. Anybody who thinks features are held back for another reasons than readiness or cost are just buying into a lie.
 
Smaller dock connector but no faster data transfer speed, no USB3.
Same battery performance, not more.
Same capacity combinations, no 128GB.
iSight camera with higher resolution but rear camera with almost same specs.

Way faster processor, and wireless data speed.
 
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