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Yeah? Hopefully Apple will do something about it. Surely there's something they can do. Like have an option to expand the desktop view in Mission Control and hide the dock/spaces and only have them drop down when your mouse goes over them.

yeh, its becoming way way too cluttered for me. at times i may have 30-50 windows open! it simply doesnt work... having 30+apps open in the dock doesnt work either, for a few. sure. for many, no!

that could be an idea, but i think it needs a complete overhaul. maybe Mac OS XI
 
If people can use it to see your unnecessary rant, then it is not ABSOLUTELY unusable. Get a dictionary and look up the word absolutely.

Every single OS in the world has had initial bugs because the humans that create them are NOT perfect.

You missed the whole point of my post... and if an OS is considered usable simply because it can load up a webpage, then I guess all the OSes out there have a lot of unnecessary fluff.

Your post is clearly more unnecessary than mine.

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Has anyone who's having problems done a clean install rather than an upgrade? I don't disbelieve anyone who says they're having problems with it, but I'm just curious?

I've got two Macs running Lion here without even the slightest problem. I'm just saying because if you've done an upgrade and you've got problems (lag, spinnies, any glitch or crash, etc.) you might be able to solve it by doing a clean install.

Clean installs and bug fixes won't fix problems with feature implementation...
 
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The 'cold hard truth' is that you don't install a .0 or .1 release if you expect it to be flawless, you wait for at least .3.

For my part, I love Lion. For me, 10.7.1 has two issues, the first an intermittent Time Capsule issue (solved by switching wifi off and on), the second that Safari performs poorly with Flash (solved by using Firefox). Neither are massive problems, and my overall experience is better with Lion than SL.
 
I love my Mac as much as everyone here - really. I'll never own anything else. But let's stop ignoring the Gorilla standing in the corner of the room because we are afraid to let Apple know that we are horribly disappointed in Lion. sure, it has a few cool bells and whistles that set it apart from Snow Leopard but compared to Snow Leopard in is slow as heck and dare I say the word, often unstable. I could not wait to upgrade to Lion and I was never more disappointed afterward. After about 30 days of using it and suffering from almost constant "spinning umbrellas" and an almost brand new MacBook Pro that hangs up during reboots making it necessary to hit the physical power button to complete the operation - I pulled up an old Time Machine backup and gave my Mac what it wanted - a Snow Leopard reinstall. The machine was immediately faster again and I am overjoyed.

Let's see a show of hands - who else finally decided to call Lion a loss of $29 and went back to Snow Leopard? Let's tell Apple what they need to fix to keep "We The Customers" happy.

Dear OP,

I will echo GGStudio’s remarks in post #25 here: threads like this are instantly triggering all kind of suspicions about the underlying intentions.

For everyone who has serious issues arising from the upgrade to Lion, there’s one thing to do, much more likely to yield results than bitching on MacRumors.com:

Click this link: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html and explain the problem.

Now, for the sake of discussion, I have some hard truths as well about OS X Lion:
Since its official launch, up to now, Lion has remained top-paid and top-grossing product in the Mac App Store;
Folks who buy new Mac’s, necessarily loaded with Lion, don’t massively return their purchase to Apple.

That does not mean that Lion is exempt of issues, but it suggests all the bickering is somewhat overblown.

Bugs are bugs; they will be fixed in time. But practically Lion is not THAT buggy, it’s actually quite impressive how few bugs have appeared for a significant update like this one.

Having to change habits always sucks when said habits are deeply ingrained; however those who claim that the changes made their Mac “unusable” are making fools of themselves with that kind of hyperbole (unless they were exclusively using PowerPC legacy software, but that was clear enough from the start that Rosetta wouldn’t be supported anymore).

Who knows, perhaps if enough people click on the link I posted above asking Apple to reinstate the possibility of using the old way of Spaces and Expose, Apple would look into doing it. They’re not tonedeaf, they backpedal when they find it’s necessary (as they just did, with allowing new sales of FCP9 licenses.)… But another hard truth of mine is that I highly doubt the portion of users who won’t adapt to the new-minted Mission Control is significant enough to warrant such effort that would inevitably bloat the OS.
 
You might not like learning a new OS, I think most people are very happy with Lion dude. I know I do. It drives me nuts when I have to use the old Snow Leopard at work.
 
Me Too!

I'm with the OP on this one. I just recently picked up a lightly used MBP from a guy who upgraded to Lion and so far I'm mildly impressed. At this point i'm not sure if it's right for me. SL was simply more straight forward. I might make the switch back to SL since I have the original disks that shipped with this MB. Now if only I could figure out how to do it :)
 
I love my Mac as much as everyone here - really. I'll never own anything else. But let's stop ignoring the Gorilla standing in the corner of the room because we are afraid to let Apple know that we are horribly disappointed in Lion. sure, it has a few cool bells and whistles that set it apart from Snow Leopard but compared to Snow Leopard in is slow as heck and dare I say the word, often unstable. I could not wait to upgrade to Lion and I was never more disappointed afterward. After about 30 days of using it and suffering from almost constant "spinning umbrellas" and an almost brand new MacBook Pro that hangs up during reboots making it necessary to hit the physical power button to complete the operation - I pulled up an old Time Machine backup and gave my Mac what it wanted - a Snow Leopard reinstall. The machine was immediately faster again and I am overjoyed.

Let's see a show of hands - who else finally decided to call Lion a loss of $29 and went back to Snow Leopard? Let's tell Apple what they need to fix to keep "We The Customers" happy.

Doesn't sound like the regular Lion problems, i think it's fine everything from SL is there and some things are improved. And ad-hoc support for AirDrop is great, i know that it isn't hard to share files but not having to be on the same network is a great addition.
 
Semantics. You guys need to learn the meaning and use.
Nah, he just needs not to learn to exaggerate. One issue does not make something completely unusable, just partially. While that may be the most important feature for him, that doesn't mean it's the only feature of an OS that he requires.

ibis99: You'll have to boot off of the OS install disc that came with it, and then do a clean install.
 
I'm jealous of the OP. He signs up, makes a single post, and gets (as of this one) 185 replies. AFAIK he's now only on a Windows Rumors site. :)
 
Is it breaking forum rules ?

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This thread is a mix of repeated/redundant posts, trolling and some personal offenses - in other words, useless.
 
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This thread is a mix of repeated/redundant posts, trolling and some personal offenses - in other words, useless.

Posting opinions is allowed though, although for some it may feel like trolling. If you see posts that break the forum rules, then please report them and we will take care of them.
 
The only thing about Lion that dissapointed me is that they removed loads of things I used on a daily basis.... the bounce to sender in Mail, Front Row etc.... little things that made you happy because Windows doesnt have it. Well I've got a 2011 Mac mini now and can't go back to Snow Leopard
 
I'd call this a "troll thread" since the OP didn't seem interested in starting a discussion, just setting off a bomb and running. I'd feel differently if the OP came back and contributed to the thread. Everyone (myself included) that posted replies to the OPs thoughts expecting the OP to read them has been cheated and has wasted their time.
 
I'd call this a "troll thread" since the OP didn't seem interested in starting a discussion, just setting off a bomb and running. I'd feel differently if the OP came back and contributed to the thread. Everyone (myself included) that posted replies to the OPs thoughts expecting the OP to read them has been cheated and has wasted their time.


I agree about the OP part, but calling the thread a troll thread is going a bit far. The discussion within has been good, and on par with others in the category.
However it is a shame and somewhat confusing why one would make the thread and then ... poof.

IDK
 
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This thread is a mix of repeated/redundant posts, trolling and some personal offenses - in other words, useless.

There have been plenty of facts stated with apparent bugs Lion, the features missing from Snow Leopard and unintuitive operations that are both factual and opinion based.

For some reason there is a large number of individuals that deny these facts to exist. If you or others have a problem with individuals stating facts, I suggest you seek help from a professional accepting reality.

I've stated my case and provided video. Instead one of these apple evangelical losers has gone further and commented this on my video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocUDmk6bcoY

The person that made this video sucks. Sick of you Macrumors as*holes that do nothing but whine like little bitches about every small thing. Take your stupid ass back to Windows if you can't stand it. Apple WILL fix certain issues but if you don't like the FEATURES of Lion then go back to Windows. You're annoying as ****. Do you have a life that you had to create a video dumbass?

Mission Control is clearly not functioning as it should be on my computer when trying to fan out and isolate all windows within an application, I provide evidence for it and then I get insulted?

I would have recorded the demonstration using ScreenFlow but because Lion is so perfect according to these people, the end recording result was a black screen... yet another compability issue.
 
I've stated my case and provided video. [...]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocUDmk6bcoY



Mission Control is clearly not functioning as it should be on my computer when trying to fan out and isolate all windows within an application

The view that you get when you hover over a group and swipe becomes relatively useless once an application has a lot of windows open and you're trying to return to one of them that hasn't recently been accessed. But are you aware that you can click on the app icon in Mission Control and then swipe down with four fingers to fan out all of the app's windows into a nice grid (aka 'Application Exposé') ? Of course, unfortunately, once you've clicked on the icon, you have to wait for the animation to finish before swiping down. Otherwise, Application Exposé will be activated for whatever app was active before. That's a bit annoying and I've complained about this before, since it needlessly slows you down in your workflow.

Mission Control has clear advantages too though. For example, it is much easier now to pick out apps with only few windows open among a huge number of other application windows.
 
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I KNOW RIGHT? I'm sorry, I'm a diehard fan of Apple and Mac OS but I will say Lion sucks. Problem I'm having is when I try to downgrade to Snow Leopard, when I move my files over the computer becomes unusable except in safe mode. I think it's because of system files/drivers. Is there any way to fix this? Either a way to not include those files from Time Machine backup, or a way to not move them over whilst still moving Applications/Users etc over.
 
Mission Control is clearly not functioning as it should be on my computer when trying to fan out and isolate all windows within an application, I provide evidence for it and then I get insulted?
It's functioning exactly as it should be, just not the same was as Snow Leopard. Have you contacted Apple using their feedback page yet?
 
OK, so let's end it with the following conclusions;

Some users like the new features in Lion and don't miss the old. Therefore they think Lion is good. Others miss the lost SL functions and don't care for the new ones. They think Lion sucks.

Mixed in with the above is the fact that on some users' equipment, software and configuration Lion behaves well so to them the reliability aspect of Lion is good. For others their new Lion installation has one or more serious problems to think Lion is unreliable.

Nuff said.
 
OK, so let's end it with the following conclusions;

Some users like the new features in Lion and don't miss the old. Therefore they think Lion is good. Others miss the lost SL functions and don't care for the new ones. They think Lion sucks.

Mixed in with the above is the fact that on some users' equipment, software and configuration Lion behaves well so to them the reliability aspect of Lion is good. For others their new Lion installation has one or more serious problems to think Lion is unreliable.

Nuff said.

I don't think this covers the users with kernel panics that are fine when they use Snow Leopard or even Windows. =) Face it, Lion was not ready and was not thought out well.
 
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