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Hi,

So I'm creating a home office and one of the essential pieces is a screen. I've been looking around and its bottled down to two options. No store in my area has the LG screen so I can't see it IRL unfortunately. The thing that leans me to the LG is the ultra wide. However I've been reading a lot about issues etc. Also that the PPI is not good especially if you're used to retina? I'll be running the screen with my MacBook Air M1. I've read a lot of mixed things about the Studio Display, but it seems to be more about the price? I've also read some rumours that they are releasing a better studio display before the year ends, but imo it sound kinds unlikely? I'm really stuck right now.

I'll be doing some graphic work in Figma and meetings mainly.
 
I have the LG Monitor. I came from a 5k retina iMac. I personally think the text is plenty sharp on my monitor but I know a bunch of people will say it looks fuzzy to them. Plus you get the higher refresh rate, HDR (which is bad actually forget I mentioned it) and the absolutely gorgeous real estate. I went to see a studio display in the Apple Store the other day and yes it's definitely very impressive. but I could never go to that size anymore after this.
 
I have the LG Monitor. I came from a 5k retina iMac. I personally think the text is plenty sharp on my monitor but I know a bunch of people will say it looks fuzzy to them. Plus you get the higher refresh rate, HDR (which is bad actually forget I mentioned it) and the absolutely gorgeous real estate. I went to see a studio display in the Apple Store the other day and yes it's definitely very impressive. but I could never go to that size anymore after this.
Thanks for the reply! However I don’t really understand the middle part. Is high refresh rate and HDR bad? 😅 Also I was thinking about the webcam situation. You can with the latest OS use your iPhone as a webcam which id use if I bought the LG. Would you say I’d be able to clip on the iPhone on the middle of the screen on LG or is the curvature too much?
 
I don't think either are a particularly great purchase as both are overpriced for what they are.

The 40" 5120x2160 ultrawides are basically an ultrawide 4K version of a 32" 16:9 4K screen. For the price of one of these, you could probably buy two good 32" 4K screens and have more desktop space, with at least one screen supporting better HDR and high refresh rates. To me the 5120x2160 format is great but the specs vs 4K 16:9 screens are mediocre at best.

Similarly the Apple Studio Display is hugely overpriced and if it was a 4K display, there would be no sense to buy it. But at 5K 16:9 your options can be counted with one hand and there are no winners here. It looks good in static content but its pixel response time cannot keep up even with 60 Hz, its webcam sucks, the fixed power cable is stupid, it doesn't have any local dimming for HDR, it comes with impractical mounting options where buying the VESA version with a 3rd party monitor arm is the only truly sensible option as you can't change the mounting after the fact otherwise.
 
I don't think either are a particularly great purchase as both are overpriced for what they are.

The 40" 5120x2160 ultrawides are basically an ultrawide 4K version of a 32" 16:9 4K screen. For the price of one of these, you could probably buy two good 32" 4K screens and have more desktop space, with at least one screen supporting better HDR and high refresh rates. To me the 5120x2160 format is great but the specs vs 4K 16:9 screens are mediocre at best.

Similarly the Apple Studio Display is hugely overpriced and if it was a 4K display, there would be no sense to buy it. But at 5K 16:9 your options can be counted with one hand and there are no winners here. It looks good in static content but its pixel response time cannot keep up even with 60 Hz, its webcam sucks, the fixed power cable is stupid, it doesn't have any local dimming for HDR, it comes with impractical mounting options where buying the VESA version with a 3rd party monitor arm is the only truly sensible option as you can't change the mounting after the fact otherwise.
Well the LG still has more desktop space on the width? Do you have any suggestions on screens? Must be from LG. I also can’t have 2 monitors since MacBook Air only supports one external display
 
Hi,

So I'm creating a home office and one of the essential pieces is a screen. I've been looking around and its bottled down to two options. No store in my area has the LG screen so I can't see it IRL unfortunately. The thing that leans me to the LG is the ultra wide. However I've been reading a lot about issues etc. Also that the PPI is not good especially if you're used to retina? I'll be running the screen with my MacBook Air M1. I've read a lot of mixed things about the Studio Display, but it seems to be more about the price? I've also read some rumours that they are releasing a better studio display before the year ends, but imo it sound kinds unlikely? I'm really stuck right now.

I'll be doing some graphic work in Figma and meetings mainly.
Just FYI, 5K2K at 40" works out to 139 ppi, which is just kind of meh. A 32" 4K 16:9 display is 138 ppi, so think about how sharp text looks on that. If it's acceptable to you, then go for the 5K2K ultrawide.

But, be aware that the M1 and M2 (not the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra) has some limits as to the HiDPI resolutions available at 5K2K resolution. Do a quick search and make sure you can live with the resolutions available to you.

The Studio Display is an amazing monitor. Text is razor sharp, the brightness cannot be beat, and the OS integration is nice. The only real downside is the price. It's not a 40" ultrawide, so it might be missing some "wow" factor, but the image quality is in a class by itself.
 
Well the LG still has more desktop space on the width? Do you have any suggestions on screens? Must be from LG. I also can’t have 2 monitors since MacBook Air only supports one external display
Yes, it has more desktop space but you will have to give up basically every other specification. No high refresh rate option, no good to decent HDR options and so on. All for a price that is higher.

Since the Air only supports one display, you could still build a multi-display setup from a single desktop monitor, the laptop's own screen and if you own an iPad Pro, use it in Sidecar connected to USB for a 3rd one.

That's actually the exact rig I'm planning on, except my choice will be a 32" 4K 120+ Hz screen. Most likely the Gigabyte M32U (review) as it seems like a decent compromise and can be bought at a price that I feel is appropriate for its specifications.

I used to have a 5K 27" LG display at a previous workplace and while nice, for me the extra resolution is not worth the extra expense at this point, same for the ultrawide 5K2K variety.
 
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Just FYI, 5K2K at 40" works out to 139 ppi, which is just kind of meh. A 32" 4K 16:9 display is 138 ppi, so think about how sharp text looks on that. If it's acceptable to you, then go for the 5K2K ultrawide.

But, be aware that the M1 and M2 (not the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra) has some limits as to the HiDPI resolutions available at 5K2K resolution. Do a quick search and make sure you can live with the resolutions available to you.

The Studio Display is an amazing monitor. Text is razor sharp, the brightness cannot be beat, and the OS integration is nice. The only real downside is the price. It's not a 40" ultrawide, so it might be missing some "wow" factor, but the image quality is in a class by itself.
Tbh the PPI is something I think is important. I’ve had retina for years now. I read some stuff about issues with ultra wide monitors as well. For me the price is fine. What I’m mostly worried about is if they’re releasing a new monitor before the year ends
 
Yes, it has more desktop space but you will have to give up basically every other specification. No high refresh rate option, no good to decent HDR options and so on. All for a price that is higher.

Since the Air only supports one display, you could still build a multi-display setup from a single desktop monitor, the laptop's own screen and if you own an iPad Pro, use it in Sidecar connected to USB for a 3rd one.

That's actually the exact rig I'm planning on, except my choice will be a 32" 4K 120+ Hz screen. Most likely the Gigabyte M32U (review) as it seems like a decent compromise and can be bought at a price that I feel is appropriate for its specifications.

I used to have a 5K 27" LG display at a previous workplace and while nice, for me the extra resolution is not worth the extra expense at this point, same for the ultrawide 5K2K variety.
But do you have any other suggestions? For e.g are there other screens with the ppi like studio display
 
Tbh the PPI is something I think is important. I’ve had retina for years now. I read some stuff about issues with ultra wide monitors as well. For me the price is fine. What I’m mostly worried about is if they’re releasing a new monitor before the year ends
If you mean an update to the Studio Display, then I believe there is zero chance it's going to be updated any time soon. They still can't make enough to meet demand.

If you mean a revised 32" XDR, I can't say, but I'm not sure what else needs to be done to that display. Maybe a refinement of the mini-LED backlight system...?

Could they release an even less expensive retina display like one based off the 24" iMac's display? They could, but I don't think they will, and to be honest, I'd probably rather have a third-party 27" 4K than an Apple 24" 4.5K just for size.
 
But do you have any other suggestions? For e.g are there other screens with the ppi like studio display
Not really. 27" LG 5K Ultrafine has the same 218 ppi, but the Studio Display is superior in almost every way (except for the webcam debate).

Depending in what country you live, you may be able to access some of the inexpensive Chinese 5K displays that are otherwise very hard to find in the US.

Otherwise, everything else on the market has a ppi closer to what a 27" 4K display would have.

You'll have to decide if a 27" 5K 218 ppi vs 27" 4K 158 ppi is an important factor to you. One person's slight loss of detail is another person's unacceptable loss of detail.
 
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Not really. 27" LG 5K Ultrafine has the same 218 ppi, but the Studio Display is superior in almost every way (except for the webcam debate).

Depending in what country you live, you may be able to access some of the inexpensive Chinese 5K displays that are otherwise very hard to find in the US.

Otherwise, everything else on the market has a ppi closer to what a 27" 4K display would have.

You'll have to decide if a 27" 5K 218 ppi vs 27" 4K 158 ppi is an important factor to you. One person's slight loss of detail is another person's unacceptable loss of detail.
Thanks for both your replies! I just wanted to be sure that there’s not a new display around the corner hehe. It feels like it leans to the studio display then. The refresh rate on the display should be on par with the MacBook Air? I just don’t know what complaints are valid or not. I’m not gonna game on the screen or anything like that, so I don’t think it will be an issue. At least if it’s like the MacBook screen.
 
Everyone makes really good points on here. I just thought as someone who actually has one of the monitors you're asking about, I should clarify a few things. if your workflow is text heavy, and you're used to seeing a retina screen then don't get the LG. You won't enjoy it. the refresh rate (72Hz) is only a bit higher and you may not even notice it. I used to have an LG 32" 4k HDR before this and it was 60hz. the increase in my ultra wide is negligible. HDR, im afraid to say, is horrendous and unusable. SDR is way better.
If however, like me you're more image heavy and need good colour accuracy and (more importantly) need screen real estate without getting two monitor then this monitor or the DELL equivalent is a great buy. Thunderbolt 4, colour accuracy out of the box. I use a M1 Max MacBook Pro I'm able to use HiDPi scaling. It really is a great monitor.

As for price, its definitely overpriced but unfortunately anything with a relatively high PPi and 4k and thunderbolt 4 and bigger than 27 inches is going to be overpriced. there just isn't anything equivalent to it
I did think about getting two LG 5K monitors which is a genuinely good option. you get best of both worlds. Retina display, 5k, lots of real estate and two used models can cost the same as one LG model (or thereabouts) so consider that route if you want to. I ultimately chose against it because the retina thing doesn't effect me as much as it inexplicably seems to effect others on here and 139ppi is plenty sharp for my eyes.

ps. watching Star Wars in 21:9 aspect ratio on the Apple TV app using two HomePods in stereo for sound is something to behold!
 
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But do you have any other suggestions? For e.g are there other screens with the ppi like studio display
Not at 5K+. In that category I'd probably go for the LG 5K Ultrafine for no other reason than because it's a good chunk cheaper than the Studio Display and maybe possible to find used for further savings. Sure, the ASD is better, but it's not that much better.

For perspective, today I picked up a Samsung G7 S28 4K, 144 Hz, 28" IPS panel display for 449 euros on sale. It's sharp, has decent contrast, looks nice. Not as nice as 5K, but nice. I could buy 4-5 of these for the price of one Apple Studio Display (depending on stand option). Yet the Studio Display doesn't do above 60 Hz, has worse pixel response times and mainly has the 5K res, high SDR brightness and glossy panel as its benefits.

The price discrepancy mainly for what is a niche resolution on the market is just too damn high. The Studio Display should be more like a 1000 euro screen at best and then it would be maybe worth a consideration. Similarly the 5K2K stuff should be a good chunk cheaper. But at the moment only 4K panels are made in the kind of quantities and varieties that prices get pushed down to reasonable level.
 
Yet the Studio Display doesn't do above 60 Hz, has worse pixel response times and mainly has the 5K res, high SDR brightness and glossy panel as its benefits.
5K @ 120Hz isn't really doable with Thunderbolt 4.

The pixel response times, however, are indeed slower than good 4K panels, but there's not really much choice if one needs/wants a 5K panel.

That said, I'd put the image quality (grey scale, color accuracy, absence of banding) of the Studio Display at 95% equivalent of the >$17,000 medical grade monitors, and it has more pixels than the Barco Coronis Uniti 12MP $30,000 display (4200 x 2800) I use daily. Obviously there's a difference in size, but just looking at images without seeing what monitor they were from and I'd be hard-pressed to be able to see a substantial difference. I mean, there's a few reasons why medical grade monitors are so expensive, but they look very, very close.
 
But, be aware that the M1 and M2 (not the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra) has some limits as to the HiDPI resolutions available at 5K2K resolution. Do a quick search and make sure you can live with the resolutions available to you.

Yup and this is A Very Big Deal IMO.

I have the LG 40WP95C and can speak more specifically to this issue in an attempt to help the OP. A 'regular' M1 or M2 (i.e. non Pro/Max) cannot display 3840 x 1620 in HiDPI on this monitor. The reason is because prior to displaying in HiDPI at that resolution, it has to run everything through at 2x this, or 7680 x 3240. The 7680 horizontal pixels exceeds the abilities of the regular M1/M2 chips. Full stop. There's no way around this with a non-Pro/Max chip. Not with SwitchResX, nor with Better Dummy.

The reason this is an issue with this monitor and a regular M1/M2 is that 3840 x 1620 is the resolution that strikes the best balance - to the eyes of most - between UI size and physical real estate. With a regular M1/M2 you're left with the following options (all bad IMO) with this display: native at 5k/2k (which makes everything waaay too tiny to be comfortable in day to day use), non HiDPI resolutions (which make text look horrendous), or lower res but still HiDPI resolutions (which make UI elements too big, which in turn means all that glorious real estate goes to waste).

If you're set on a 5k/2k display of this size, you really need to use it with a Pro/Max chip.

I have a 14" MBP M1 Max. I get 3840 x 1620 HiDPI and it looks really good IMO (though as others have pointed out text is still not as good as it is on the 5k iMac/Studio Display). I tried my wife's M2 Air with the screen...and as I described, no joy on 3840 x 1620 HiDPI. And believe me that really bums me out because the M2 Air is otherwise awesome.
 
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Yup and this is A Very Big Deal IMO.

I have the LG 40WP95C and can speak more specifically to this issue in an attempt to help the OP. A 'regular' M1 or M2 (i.e. non Pro/Max) cannot display 3840 x 1620 in HiDPI on this monitor. The reason is because prior to displaying in HiDPI at that resolution, it has to run everything though at 2x this, or 7680 x 3240. The 7680 horizontal pixels exceeds the abilities of the regular M1/M2 chips. Full stop. There's no way around this with a non-Pro/Max chip. Not with SwitchResX, nor with Better Dummy.

The reason this is an issue with this monitor and a regular M1/M2 is that 3840 x 1620 is the resolution that strikes the best balance - to the eyes of most - between UI size and physical real estate. With a regular M1/M2 you're left with the following options (all bad IMO) with this display: native at 5k/2k (which makes everything waaay too tiny to be comfortable in day to day use), non HiDPI resolutions (which make text look horrendous), or lower res but still HiDPI resolutions (which make UI elements too big, which in turn means all that glorious real estate goes to waste).

If you're set on a 5k/2k display of this size, you really need to use it with a Pro/Max chip.

I have a 14" MBP M1 Max. I get 3840 x 1620 HiDPI and it looks really good IMO (though as others have pointed out text is still not as good as it is on the 5k iMac/Studio Display). I tried my wife's M2 Air with the screen...and as I described, no joy on 3840 x 1620 HiDPI. And believe me that really bums me out because the M2 Air is otherwise awesome.
Thanks for the reply and to everyone else. I’ll buy the studio display! I guess it will be the choice that will give me the least headache in the future as well as I’m heavily invested in apples ecosystem
 
Yup and this is A Very Big Deal IMO.

I have the LG 40WP95C and can speak more specifically to this issue in an attempt to help the OP. A 'regular' M1 or M2 (i.e. non Pro/Max) cannot display 3840 x 1620 in HiDPI on this monitor. The reason is because prior to displaying in HiDPI at that resolution, it has to run everything through at 2x this, or 7680 x 3240. The 7680 horizontal pixels exceeds the abilities of the regular M1/M2 chips. Full stop. There's no way around this with a non-Pro/Max chip. Not with SwitchResX, nor with Better Dummy.

The reason this is an issue with this monitor and a regular M1/M2 is that 3840 x 1620 is the resolution that strikes the best balance - to the eyes of most - between UI size and physical real estate. With a regular M1/M2 you're left with the following options (all bad IMO) with this display: native at 5k/2k (which makes everything waaay too tiny to be comfortable in day to day use), non HiDPI resolutions (which make text look horrendous), or lower res but still HiDPI resolutions (which make UI elements too big, which in turn means all that glorious real estate goes to waste).

If you're set on a 5k/2k display of this size, you really need to use it with a Pro/Max chip.

I have a 14" MBP M1 Max. I get 3840 x 1620 HiDPI and it looks really good IMO (though as others have pointed out text is still not as good as it is on the 5k iMac/Studio Display). I tried my wife's M2 Air with the screen...and as I described, no joy on 3840 x 1620 HiDPI. And believe me that really bums me out because the M2 Air is otherwise awesome.
Not sure if you'll get this or not, but one of the guys here is looking to get the 40WP95C to use with a Mac Studio and I can't for the life of me remember what I found with the different resolutions.

Do you get nice, "retina-like" text at all of the available resolutions other than the native 5120x2160? I seem to remember when I used one, everything was too small anyway, regardless of how the font smoothing looked.

Where does 5120x2160 sit on the available resolutions in macOS - i.e. is it the "More Space" option on the right?

Is the macOS default 3840 x 162?

Just trying to give him a view as to how much screen space he can get without getting in to the realm of fuzzy/blurry fonts.

Thanks!
 
I still have SwitchResX installed, so let me show you the full list of options. I'd say that at the native resolution stuff is sharp (though not HiDPI) but WAY too small for my old eyes.
 

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I still have SwitchResX installed, so let me show you the full list of options. I'd say that at the native resolution stuff is sharp (though not HiDPI) but WAY too small for my old eyes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.. and so quickly too!

He's been looking at my dual ASDs, but would prefer one single screen. He's just finding it hard to visualise what resolution(s) will give him the sharp text he's used to and how many windows he can get on-screen. I guess its one of those where he'll just need to try it and see.
 
Thanks for taking the time to reply.. and so quickly too!

He's been looking at my dual ASDs, but would prefer one single screen. He's just finding it hard to visualise what resolution(s) will give him the sharp text he's used to and how many windows he can get on-screen. I guess its one of those where he'll just need to try it and see.
No problem. This still may not be sufficient, but all of my desktops are set up with windows in 3 columns (except spreadsheets where I go more or less full screen to see as much data as possible at a time). With three columns and a text size I like at 3840x1620 HiDPI it strikes a good balance bt screen real estate, readability/sharpness, and amount of info I can see.

Sorry can't upload a screenshot. I can't get the file size small enough for MR to accept. If you DM me an email address I can email a screen shot of what it looks like.
 
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No problem. This still may not be sufficient, but all of my desktops are set up with windows in 3 columns (except spreadsheets where I go more or less full screen to see as much data as possible at a time). With three columns and a text size I like at 3840x1620 HiDPI it strikes a good balance bt screen real estate, readability/sharpness, and amount of info I can see.

Sorry can't upload a screenshot. I can't get the file size small enough for MR to accept. If you DM me an email address I can email a screen shot of what it looks like.
No, its ok, that's really helpful but thanks for the offer! Your first post and now this one has actually given him what he needs in combination with the stuff on YouTube.

Its got me thinking about trying one again too as I'm not getting on with dual Studio Displays tbh.
 
No, its ok, that's really helpful but thanks for the offer! Your first post and now this one has actually given him what he needs in combination with the stuff on YouTube.

Its got me thinking about trying one again too as I'm not getting on with dual Studio Displays tbh.
Yup I couldn't get my brain around having a divide right smack in the middle which is why I went ultra wide. Still, I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the amazing crispness of Apple's displays. The DPI are just so much higher. I really enjoy the 40" LG, but, if there's ever a more pixel-dense version available it's an instant buy for me.
 
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Yup I couldn't get my brain around having a divide right smack in the middle which is why I went ultra wide. Still, I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the amazing crispness of Apple's displays. The DPI are just so much higher. I really enjoy the 40" LG, but, if there's ever a more pixel-dense version available it's an instant buy for me.
I have the 40" LG since a few months, too. I can confirm that on a M1 Max the resolution 3840x1620 is the sweet spot, text is reasonably sharp and you still have plenty of space. 3 column view most of the times when I am not editing in FCPX. Screen is bright enough, I like the extra thunderbolt port for connecting a SSD and the two extra USB 3 ports on the side to connect an usb dongle for my MX Master 3 mouse and still one port to quickly connect a hard disk or other. With Display buddy (there are free alternatives to this app available too) you can control the brightness/contrast and the volume just like on the ASD. It is a matte screen, so less reflection than glossy obviously, it cannot reach the sharpness of the real 5K on 27" on the ASD but for me it is good enough. It is not really portable if you need to move it as it is quite huge and heavy. I like to have a single display setup, so for me it is more convenient than two 27" for example. I am coming from 2 24" LG Ultrafine retina monitors and was kind of waiting for these specs of the LG 40" and its 5120x2160 resolution, because it is sharp enough being a "non-retina". What I don't like? The refreshment rates: 72 hz, 50 hz and 30 hz. I am a video editor and sometimes missing the 60 hz as I get stutter in 72 hz when I display 60 fps content. I am actually considering getting a ASD for another workplace but might wait a couple of months to see if there is going to be a 27"? Mini LED option to be announced which will then sit in between the ASD and Pro Display XDR budget and specs wise. And just to be faitr: I never touched the ASD yet but even if I am owning the LG 40" I am still eying the ASD because I kind of like glossy displays and the fantastic 5k resolution and clarity in a 27" display. But you will lose a lot of screen estate if you work on a single display setup, that is the trade off. Two of the ASD are kind of expensive and then I would have to work with a dual screen setup which I am trying to avoid. So no perfect solution for me yet but this is "complaining" on a very high level.
 
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I have the 40" LG since a few months, too. I can confirm that on a M1 Max the resolution 3840x1620 is the sweet spot, text is reasonably sharp and you still have plenty of space. 3 column view most of the times when I am not editing in FCPX. Screen is bright enough, I like the extra thunderbolt port for connecting a SSD and the two extra USB 3 ports on the side to connect an usb dongle for my MX Master 3 mouse and still one port to quickly connect a hard disk or other. With Display buddy (there are free alternatives to this app available too) you can control the brightness/contrast and the volume just like on the ASD. It is a matte screen, so less reflection than glossy obviously, it cannot reach the sharpness of the real 5K on 27" on the ASD but for me it is good enough. It is not really portable if you need to move it as it is quite huge and heavy. I like to have a single display setup, so for me it is more convenient than two 27" for example. I am coming from 2 24" LG Ultrafine retina monitors and was kind of waiting for these specs of the LG 40" and its 5120x2160 resolution, because it is sharp enough being a "non-retina". What I don't like? The refreshment rates: 72 hz, 50 hz and 30 hz. I am a video editor and sometimes missing the 60 hz as I get stutter in 72 hz when I display 60 fps content. I am actually considering getting a ASD for another workplace but might wait a couple of months to see if there is going to be a 27"? Mini LED option to be announced which will then sit in between the ASD and Pro Display XDR budget and specs wise. And just to be faitr: I never touched the ASD yet but even if I am owning the LG 40" I am still eying the ASD because I kind of like glossy displays and the fantastic 5k resolution and clarity in a 27" display. But you will lose a lot of screen estate if you work on a single display setup, that is the trade off. Two of the ASD are kind of expensive and then I would have to work with a dual screen setup which I am trying to avoid. So no perfect solution for me yet but this is "complaining" on a very high level.
regarding the refresh rate, I have a caldigit ts4 that has display port output. ive found that if you connect your MacBook Pro to the dock with thunderbolt 4 and the dock to the monitor with a display port cable, you get the same display sharpness and resolution and also the refresh rate becomes variable (48-72) if that helps your video editing
 
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