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Whenever I use 4K screens i get input lag, general slowness- like the response time of a TV.

Both 2013 trash can Mac and my 2019 MacPro. I guess this is due to the software scaling i use?

Guessing people are fine scaling a 5k iMac with no performance hit, but a scaled external 4K on a Mac Pro doesn’t work out so well?

Do you guys have any thoughts? I’ve been wanting to run 4K monitors for a professional setup with Logic for 5 years, and it just never seems to perform..
 
LOL
Kinda like when the first con man met the first fool.
Religion was born.

or when apple made a crazy overpriced round computer that no 3rd party parts work with.


4 k for a monitor .... only for fools!

Round Mac - I've made loads of cash with mine over the past 7 Years... and the £17K 2019 one I have now. Who cared about the parts. 90% of Studios machines are bought stuck under a desk and never opened again till they are replaced 3-5 years later.

£4K for a monitor - Pfffft - Before I bought the 6K XDR - My last monitor was £22,000 Sony Reference Model.
 
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XDR = 1000 Nits with a 1600 Peak.
also 6k res.

And people laughed at Apple 2 years ago... Ok the £1K monitor stand is stupid money.
 
Even the LG 22" (which like the other early UltraFines was a quasi-official Apple monitor) was discontinued ages ago and replaced with a 24" with no-mans-land PPI (219 -> 186).

So yes, even companies who definitely knew how to do it properly for Macs have pretty much given up now. I guess the subtext is that there aren't enough potential customers who actually care either.
Yup. That 24” was terrible. Not only was it power PPI but lower resolution too. 2160x3840 instead of 2304x4096.

All these 27” monitors are 4K or even worse, 1080p. They should be 5k or 1440p. It’s just sad.
 
Not sure why you are complaining about nits. If you work with a HDR UI you would burn your eyes out. OLED will crush any XDR any day… key here is contrast and there’s not comparison with a light emitting pixel. Comparing with a Apple XDR, this is a good price.
 
The whole point of a monitor is to have high PPI.
It's not the PPI that counts, it's the angular resolution, which is a function of PPI and viewing distance. Once you move beyond a laptop/mobile where the viewing distance is fixed by the length of your arms, then, well:


...and anyway, you don't buy an OLED over an LCD at a huge premium based on PPI and how much code you can fit on the screen, you buy it for colour, contrast ratio, dynamic range when working on images and video, for which a larger screen, further away often makes sense.

Also, last I looked, OLED still had burn-in issues that might not be a problem in normal TV where you don't generally leave the same image displaying for long periods - but using one as your primary monitor that was likely to be displaying the menu bar, desktop icons, the tool palette of your regularly-used software etc. every waking hour, so using a high-end TV as a secondary display for previewing HDR content makes even more sense.
 
And people laughed at Apple 2 years ago... Ok the £1K monitor stand is stupid money.
Well, it distracts from the ridiculous $200 VESA adapter that you'll need if you forgo the $1k stand. It's not as if it would have been hard to blend 4 threaded bolt holes into that steampunk design - making a high-end display that doesn't have a VESA mount is just ridiculous (and, yes, that includes having to buy a special stand-less version of the iMac if you want VESA).

Thing is, with LG/Samsung/Sony etc. it wouldn't be unprecedented to see a $4000 "manufacturer's suggested retail price" display actually retailing for half of that from box-shifters a few months down the line - less if the tech takes off. Apple tend to cling to their initial high prices even after technology becomes commonplace - really, that XDR display ought to be coming down in price by now.
 
This is a joke? 32” OLED 4K display 250 nits for $3999, when the 48” LG CX 4K TV is $1299 (sale).

I think you didn’t do your research…
This is a true RGB OLED pixel layout which compared to Sony’s $30.000 HX310 when it comes to accuracy.

Comparing to this, the LG CX is absolutely garbage with a horrible pixel layout.
 
Get yourself the LG CX OLED 48" for $1000. Runs Great on my Mac Mini M1 at 5K 60Hz Resolution

Your CX is garbage when compared to this. This LG screen has true RGB pixel layout which compares to $30.000 Sony HX310 when it comes to image accuracy.
 
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Your CX is garbage when compared to this. This LG screen has true RGB pice layout which compares to $30.000 Sony HX310 when it comes to image accuracy.
Good, But I already own this LG CX OLED and have no desire to own a $4K monitor, clearly this New LG Monitor is not meant for us.
 
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Get yourself the LG CX OLED 48" for $1000. Runs Great on my Mac Mini M1 at 5K 60Hz Resolution

I’ve also got a similar setup but with an LG C8 55”. I’m thinking of moving it into my office and using it as a monitor full time.
  • I don’t care for colour accuracy as I only use Lightroom Classic occasionally, at a hobbyist level.
  • Doing dev work on a black background with white text looks great on OLED
    (Yes, it’s bad for your eyes / don’t care / don’t need glasses / I read docs separately with a white background)
  • Content consumption is great which is why I used it as a TV initially
  • Been using it for nearly 2 years now mostly as a Remote Desktop machine during WFH and lockdown. No burn-in (so far) with static elements etc.
 
It's not the PPI that counts, it's the angular resolution, which is a function of PPI and viewing distance. Once you move beyond a laptop/mobile where the viewing distance is fixed by the length of your arms, then, well:


...and anyway, you don't buy an OLED over an LCD at a huge premium based on PPI and how much code you can fit on the screen, you buy it for colour, contrast ratio, dynamic range when working on images and video, for which a larger screen, further away often makes sense.

Also, last I looked, OLED still had burn-in issues that might not be a problem in normal TV where you don't generally leave the same image displaying for long periods - but using one as your primary monitor that was likely to be displaying the menu bar, desktop icons, the tool palette of your regularly-used software etc. every waking hour, so using a high-end TV as a secondary display for previewing HDR content makes even more sense.

Higher PPI translates to sharper details on screen. A major selling point MacBook and iMac is the Retina display. That means a high PPI. Nobody serious about image quality will consider a TV as a monitor.
 
Whenever I use 4K screens i get input lag, general slowness- like the response time of a TV.

Both 2013 trash can Mac and my 2019 MacPro. I guess this is due to the software scaling i use?

Guessing people are fine scaling a 5k iMac with no performance hit, but a scaled external 4K on a Mac Pro doesn’t work out so well?

Do you guys have any thoughts? I’ve been wanting to run 4K monitors for a professional setup with Logic for 5 years, and it just never seems to perform..
No noticeable lag with a 4K external display on my M1 MBA. Scaled to the middle option (equivalent of 2560 x 1440).
 
It's not the PPI that counts, it's the angular resolution, which is a function of PPI and viewing distance.

Yes, but typical viewing distance for a 32-inch display isn’t that much higher than that for a 27-inch display, if at all (odds are, your desk will be exactly the same depth). Not enough to justify a drop from 218 to 138ppi.

...and anyway, you don't buy an OLED over an LCD at a huge premium based on PPI and how much code you can fit on the screen, you buy it for colour, contrast ratio, dynamic range when working on images and video, for which a larger screen, further away often makes sense.

You really only buy an OLED for entertainment. For professional uses, the color isn’t predictable enough.
 
Good, But I already own this LG CX OLED and have no desire to own a $4K monitor, clearly this New LG Monitor is not meant for us.
Your setup looks sweet. I have an older LG OLED TV (55"), and when my MBA is hooked up to it, it looks absolutely amazing. People here are obsessed with numbers. If it looks good to your eyes, then it looks good.

Out of interest, how did you get the HiDPI mode to show as 5K res?
 
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