Lightning Adapter - iPod/Video Out?? [MERGED]

[jaw04005]

First of all, iPod out debuted with iOS 4.x in late 2010.

I know of only one car maker, BMW, and only a handful of car receivers that support iPod out.

I think BMW only started offering it with some of their 2011 models, and those should include USB and Bluetooth. In those cases, you should be able to use the new lightening connector to USB.

Apple is pretty much ditching iPod out for Eyes Free. iPod out never caught on. It's goal was to replicate the old iPod interface on your car navigation/media screens.

 

[aross99]

I guess we need to figure out what "iPod out" is. If it is analog audio, then thats a problem. Another thread links to something that makes it look like another way to get the iPod interface (as Apple designed it) out to a Car Stereo.

CNET's articles seem to say that analog out is NOT supported, which will be a big problem form some people...

 

[kas23]

I know of only one car maker, BMW, and only a handful of car receivers that support iPod out.

I think BMW only started offering it with some of their 2011 models, and those should include USB and Bluetooth. In those cases, you should be able to use the new lightening connector to USB.

Apple is pretty much ditching iPod out for Eyes Free. iPod out never caught on. It's goal was to replicate the old iPod interface on your car navigation/media screens.

This is reassuring. There may be hope.

 

[aross99]

It looks like I may have spoken to soon - iPod out may not be Analog Audio out, but more of a specialized way to get the iPhone interface out of the device and into Car Stereos...

Still need a good solution for a charging dock - like a universal dock insert, or a new iPhone 5 Dock.

These were available at launch with other iPhones. The fact that they are nowhere to be seen concerns me...

 

[jeblis]

I believe iPod out refers to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj0SRzd40s4 which is full display export and control. I imagine standard iPod controls will still work.

 

[AlanShutko]

It looks like iPod Out is related to Video Out, actually. http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/13/io...to-your-car-without-the-messy-third-party-ui/

I wonder if it worked by supplying an analog video out that the car stereo could display.

 

[swwesq]

3rd Party Adapter Maybe?

Well, if the Iphone 5 ends up not outputing audio with id3 tags and album art, maybe a 3rd party company will come out with a better adapter?

What do you think?

 

[viewfly]

Yes, it will give audio out

Yes, the new Lighting connector WILL provide audio out.

Watch the Apple presentation from today. http://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2012/

At time 38:26 (and in particular 38:48) it clearly states that charging AND audio will be provided...and the example given is for cars and your other older audio docking devices (when used with the $29 30 pin adapter).

Watch the video...

 

[pdqgp]

Bluetooth has inferior audio output, plus drains your battery. And you can't charge your phone over Bluetooth. It's not a suitable alternative.

Next, I suppose we're going to start championing the use of those FM transmitters we used to have to use to listen to our iPhones.

Battery drain is minimal really. I drive 30-40 minutes to and from the office and still get a full use of my phone throughout the day through late night.

In terms of quality, so what you want. Connected to my 10 speaker sound system it sounds amazing. No where even jokingly close to an FM Transmitter. Seriously, if your MBZ doesn't sound awesome then I blame your car. I say this because I can flip between USB and BT inputs comparing the two and it's identical on my car. Believe me, if it was inferior, I wouldn't use it.

 

[petethepanda]

I wonder if my 2010 Hyundai Elantra that uses this adapter is something that falls under the "screwed" category. Just based on the fact that it is outputting both USB and 1/8 I'm thinking yes, I just want to know for sure lol. This is driving me craaaazy. Hope we can nail down more solid answers on this situation in the next couple days.

 

[takeshi74]

What are the chances a 2003 Toyota that has an aftermarket mod put in to let me control an ipod (not iphone though it works with my iphone despite my iphones protestations) through my factory car radio uses ipod out?

No telling based on that information alone. If you provided the specific make & model of the aftermarket interface someone could probably answer that for you. Odds are if it used iPod Out you'd know as it would have been marketed as a selling point.

Does iPod Out also include any interface that causes the Music app to display "Accessory Connected"?

No, that doesn't indicate anything. Accessory Connected can appear for interfaces that use iPod Out as well as those that do not.

Using Bluetooth or the Audio input jack is not a practical alternative. It will render the steering wheel controls useless.

Not if your BT interface supports AVRCP. Some do, some do not.

The issues is also being able to control your iphone from your car GPS and see song id3 tags and playlists. If the adapter is what apple says it is, no upgrade will be possible.

Those are not the issues with adapter. Neither Video Out or iPod Out (what Apple says it does not support) have any relevance to those concerns.

I wonder if my 2010 Hyundai Elantra that uses this adapter is something that falls under the "screwed" category.

I highly doubt that the Elantra's interface uses iPod Out or Video Out. You can check your car's manual to confirm. If it does it will be clearly specified. It's not a feature they'd throw in for free and not mention as it was considered a selling point.

 

[Techwriter]

I apologize for asking this as I brought it up in a different thread, but if this adapter won't support video or iPod out, does this mean the current Digital AV Adapter won't work?

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD...tal-av-adapter

To mirror what's on the screen, must a new Digital AV Adapter with lightening connector be purchased? If so, I wonder when Apple will make that available. I just bought the old one for the iPad last month. I was hoping to just buy the adapter.

 

[viewfly]

I wonder if my 2010 Hyundai Elantra that uses this adapter is something that falls under the "screwed" category. Just based on the fact that it is outputting both USB and 1/8 I'm thinking yes, I just want to know for sure lol. This is driving me craaaazy. Hope we can nail down more solid answers on this situation in the next couple days.

You'll be fine

 

[CaCohen0509]

You'll be fine

I really really really hope your right because I don't want my 2013 Elantra to be out of date in terms of my iPhone! The Bluetooth audio quality is pretty amazing compared to other Bluetooth products I've used. But there's something about controlling it through the steering wheel and seeing the names flash on the little screen that I would be disappointed loosing due to this new lighting fiasco

 

[tigress666]

Battery drain is minimal really. I drive 30-40 minutes to and from the office and still get a full use of my phone throughout the day through late night.

In terms of quality, so what you want. Connected to my 10 speaker sound system it sounds amazing. No where even jokingly close to an FM Transmitter. Seriously, if your MBZ doesn't sound awesome then I blame your car. I say this because I can flip between USB and BT inputs comparing the two and it's identical on my car. Believe me, if it was inferior, I wouldn't use it.

Once again, it's not just the bluetooth, it's the operation of the iphone. Some of us use it as a GPS where battery drain is not minimal so it is very useful to have it charge up while it's in the car. Not to mention to have the turn by turn instructions go over my car speaker's which can be louder than the iphone's and take advantage of the fact the GPS program will mute the music playing to give me those directions.

Downplay the fact that bluetooth is not an equivalent replacement from direct connection all you want, it still does not change the fact that it's inferior for many people's purposes.

That being said, it sounds like it won't affect me since what I have in my car probably doesn't use ipod out (I think we installed it in 2009, plus it doesn't work all that perfectly as it is buggy in how it works, it certainly doesn't give you an ipod interface, it couldn't anyways as my car's radio display only has LCD display capable of one line of text). And in the end, that's all I care. But I can see why people would be upset about this cause this would be on thing that when I first read this thread had me second guessing if I really wanted a new iphone.

 

[swwesq]

why do some people think its about money? All you have done is spout off about your firm and your fleet of cars and now your daughters car with the expensive radio. Relax I'm sure the phones will work fine in your cars. If not go buy another yaucht to make you happy

Maybe I will! Jealous you didn't make it past middle school?

 

[theautopilot]

The new dock is "all digital".

The vast majority of car and in home docks use the analogue output on the existing dock. Thus MOST home and car docks will NOT work with the adaptor. That is unless the adaptor has an integrated DAC, which is highly unlikely.

 

[pcfarrar]

The new dock is "all digital".
The vast majority of car and in home docks use the analogue output on the existing dock. Thus MOST home and car docks will NOT work with the adaptor. That is unless the adaptor has an integrated DAC, which is highly unlikely.

The reason why its so expensive is that the adapter must have a DAC integrated into it. I seriously doubt Apple would be stupid enough to release an adapter that doesn't provide analogue audio for docks.

 

[theautopilot]

The reason why its so expensive is that the adapter must have a DAC integrated into it. I seriously doubt Apple would be stupid enough to release an adapter that doesn't provide analogue audio for docks.

I hope your right, it would at least explain the cost. The more I think about it, the more I think it might have a DAC and support stealing wheel controls etc.

And if that is the case, I would be wary of cheap Chinese adapters - they will probably have inferior DAC's (poor sound quality) or no DAC at all.

If it has no DAC, I'm not sure I will be getting an iPhone 5. I might upgrade my 4 to a 4s, and treat myself to an Apple TV with some of the money I save. Or maybe even leave apple altogether (as much as i like Apple, I'm loving the Galaxy SIII's screen). I guess I will have to be patient and wait and see.

 

[pdqgp]

Once again, it's not just the bluetooth, it's the operation of the iphone. Some of us use it as a GPS where battery drain is not minimal so it is very useful to have it charge up while it's in the car. Not to mention to have the turn by turn instructions go over my car speaker's which can be louder than the iphone's and take advantage of the fact the GPS program will mute the music playing to give me those directions.

I know. I use MotionX Drive all the time while listening to music. The Sync system is fantastic and allows me to do all of the above just like it's built into the car. Siri works through the car, touch controls and voice controls still work, GPS talks through the system and in fact is so good I don't use Ford's built in GPS or screen.

I manage a sales team that travels to doctors offices all day and never have a problem with battery life. When I go into an appointment, I leave it charging in the car hidden from sight.

Downplay the fact that bluetooth is not an equivalent replacement from direct connection all you want, it still does not change the fact that it's inferior for many people's purposes.

Equivalent to me for sound is judged by my ears. Not all BT Connections are equal, but Ford's is perfect. Again, no sound quality difference to a USB Connection.

 

[bmms8]

i didn't want to read this whole thread, so sorry in advance if this question has been answered. i have an aftermarket head unit in my car and currently connect my 30pin connecter to the unit via usb. i do not play my music under "iPod" but instead under "USB".

does anyone know if lightning to usb will work the same with my head unit or will i also need that adapter? Thank you.

 

[BmoreDrumGuy]

I wonder if my 2010 Hyundai Elantra that uses this adapter is something that falls under the "screwed" category. Just based on the fact that it is outputting both USB and 1/8 I'm thinking yes, I just want to know for sure lol. This is driving me craaaazy. Hope we can nail down more solid answers on this situation in the next couple days.

I've got the same type of adapter. Wondering the same thing.....

 

[androiphone]

so what about HDMI out? would that be supported? iPod video I assume is the component video (ie analogue).

I keep trying to think of a single reason why the Lightning connector is better than micro USB, but I can't, this 'plug it in anyway' isn't even a good reason, I always look when plugging in any connector if only to prevent myself from inadvertently scratching the phone, and when your looking you can see the little symbol so you never plug it in the wrong way anyway.

 

[Bazooka-joe]

First of all, iPod out debuted with iOS 4.x in late 2010.

I know of only one car maker, BMW, and only a handful of car receivers that support iPod out.

I think BMW only started offering it with some of their 2011 models, and those should include USB and Bluetooth. In those cases, you should be able to use the new lightening connector to USB.

Apple is pretty much ditching iPod out for Eyes Free. iPod out never caught on. It's goal was to replicate the old iPod interface on your car navigation/media screens.

My BMW houses the media cradle in the 30 pin connector that not only displays the album artwork and facebook but also streams video from my iphone and as you say, it can replicate the IPod interface. I was hoping the the 30 pin adaptor would support media so that I dont lose video functionality in my car but it looks as if I will have to wait for a third party to come up with a solution. Apple really sucks at times

 

[theautopilot]

so what about HDMI out? would that be supported? iPod video I assume is the component video (ie analogue).

I keep trying to think of a single reason why the Lightning connector is better than micro USB, but I can't, this 'plug it in anyway' isn't even a good reason, I always look when plugging in any connector if only to prevent myself from inadvertently scratching the phone, and when your looking you can see the little symbol so you never plug it in the wrong way anyway.

Try building a dock with micro-USB. Apple have designed their connectors in a way that means its easy to make a durable dock which allows you to just 'drop' the iPhone into. Even if you get it slightly out of alignment it will find its way in. The same cant be said for mini or micro USB, which is also easily damaged (I know this from someone who works at a company that makes dock, and while it's not perfect they still prefer Apples).

Apple do a lot of things that annoy me, but not using micro USB is not one of them. It's a fiddly peice of crap.

Oh and hdmi out is supported, I use it with my iP4 using an adaptor. Unless they have dropped support for hdmi accessories now?