Lightning was rushed ...

Discussion in 'iPhone Accessories' started by Dwalls90, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. Dwalls90 macrumors 601


    Feb 5, 2009
    Let's face it, there really are no new functions lightning brings that the 30-pin couldn't provide. Yes, it's smaller and sexier, but on the whole it's just an unnecessary move forward at this time, given how unprepared every facet of it's launch has been:

    1.) Adapters aren't readily available
    2.) Cables aren't readily available
    3.) NO accessory support
    4.) NO sign of third-party products before year end

    And, come to find out that the cable lightning/30 pin adapter I had ordered, won't even work with my in-car iPod set up! I am basically required to spend $300 to update the accessory, when the system is hardly a few years old (Link). Apparently, the regular adapter, and the cable flavor of the adapter, are different in hardware and functionality. Furthermore, the cable variant's lightning end of the adapter is significantly larger than the standard lightning/USB cable, thus even the cable adapter is useless unless you go "naked" with your iPhone, as it won't fit most cases.

    So I am stuck waiting for an adapter I can't even buy in a store or order online within a month, that will not work with my current accessory which is relatively new compared to most 30-pin accessories, that is too large to function with my case?

  2. kthnxshwn macrumors regular

    Jun 17, 2010
  3. daitalianjob macrumors regular

    Jun 14, 2009
  4. BlueGoldAce macrumors 68000

    Oct 11, 2011
    It's inconvenient for you, but not rushed. It was required to make the phone thinner, personally i like it. Yes it has its downside, but they are temporary.

    You can't expect apple to solely base it products, and in this case keep an outdated design, for third party compatibility. These products are built to work with the iPhone, the iPhone is not built to work with them. That's just how the industry works.

    The lightning is superior in everyway, minus third party support... And that will change.
  5. spblat macrumors 6502a


    Jun 18, 2010
    Yes, it would have been better if adapters were widely available at launch. Yes, Apple took a gamble by making this switch.

    And we have a choice. We don't have to buy the new stuff. I think most people who have bought the new stuff understand there will be a transition period. I'm impressed with the physical design of the connector, and I'm very impressed with what I know of its technical features. I'm inconvenienced by the lack of widespread availability of accessories and adapters, but that will come, and in the meantime I'm enjoying my iPhone 5. :cool:
  6. kwjohns macrumors 6502a


    Jul 4, 2007
    Sounds like your purchase of the iPhone 5 was rushed and you need to practice better purchasing judgement if being an early adopter is such a stress for you.
  7. Eckscaliber macrumors 6502a


    May 30, 2012
    I love the Lightning connector. I would take it over the 30-pin any day, no matter how long I need to wait for an adapter or a third party offering. I LOVE IT!!!!!
  8. Dwalls90 thread starter macrumors 601


    Feb 5, 2009
    That's because you fail to recognize the point of the thread. It's not that "OMG LIGHTNING SUX OR RULEZ", it's that the adapters suck in fulfilling their purpose.

    Sorry, for putting faith in the fact that Apple should have shipped these adapters at launch by early October. It's November for most shipping dates for adapters. Did I mention the two adapters Apple sells vary in functionality?

    Good, so we're on the same page.

    Good, we are also on the same page, too.

    My gripes aren't that Lightning in itself sucks, it's that the lack of support and confusion it's shrouded in, have left users like myself stuck or frustrated.
  9. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Couldn't you make the same argument for iPhone 5 cases because the lack of 3rd party cases (which are no changing). I realize its a bit different with the cable and being proprietary but the same concept is there.

    It was not rush, though quantities of the cable are constrained and there is a lack of 3rd party cables. This is in no way due to rushing this design out the door but tactical decisions by apple
  10. AJAAY macrumors 6502


    Sep 29, 2012
    But that wouldn't make them the first person on the block to have the new iPhone. :eek:
  11. zorinlynx macrumors 603


    May 31, 2007
    Florida, USA
    Sorry, but the thinner excuse does not fly. Several iPod Nano models were thinner than the iPhone 5, yet used the 30 pin connector.

    Apple did have a good reason; the Lightning connector takes up less space inside the phone. But it had nothing to do with making it thinner. Check out the first generation iPod Nano and notice how thin it is; it's actually the same thickness as the 30 pin dock plug's housing!
  12. erratikmind macrumors 6502a


    Apr 2, 2009
    S.F./Las Vegas

    Sadly, the world offers no apologies for your predicament.

    I trust that you eventually manage to find your way to a happier place.
  13. Rajani Isa macrumors 65816

    Rajani Isa

    Jun 8, 2010
    Rogue Valley, Oregon
    As far as how new your stuff is - there would always be someone buying a new "X" that was made outdated due to the switch. I'm hoping the adapter works nice with my logitech speakers (great for when I have to open the store during the "not open yet" time :))
  14. darngooddesign macrumors G3

    Jul 4, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    I agree that it was a botched launch, not because of the lack of speaker docks or accessories but due to the lack of adapters.
  15. golfgrouch macrumors member

    Oct 4, 2012
    Venice, CA
    Read this article and you'll understand that it's a connector designed for the future. It is the future applications that the 30-pin can't provide...

    The cable includes microchips. Incorporating chips into a cable takes much planning. I don't understand how that can be considered "rushed". :confused:
  16. Dwalls90 thread starter macrumors 601


    Feb 5, 2009
    Yea, and I quoted that same article in another thread.

    But you know what? I don't care that my phone has an adapter that can "dynamically assign functionality to pins".

    WHO CARES! I want an interface that works with my accessories that are hardly old. Or, if they're going to make an adapter, make it work properly, and ship it on time.


    I'm not sure what you're talking about. I have two great iPhone 5 cases sitting right here, both of which I was able to readily purchase within a month of launch ... more like a week or so.
  17. kalexn macrumors 6502

    Sep 17, 2012
    ME TOO!! It feels so much more secure. The 30 pin could easily fall out or bend when plugged in and this one feels really snug. They had not updated it in years and they definitely needed to.
  18. Giuly macrumors 68040


    When Sony comes out with an updated $80 cheap-ass car stereo with iPod connection, I'll upgrade.

    Compare this to the $55 shipped price of the Lightning adapter cable. :rolleyes:

    In the meantime, headphone jack to aux in and a car mount to control the music is nice, as well. I assume that this costs me <$10.
  19. Cuthbert macrumors regular

    Feb 4, 2008

    You should have waited then. There was tons of information on this. You dropped the ball, deal with it. Ignorance of the obvious is no excuse for your complaining.
  20. nabwong macrumors regular

    Apr 4, 2008
    No one forced the OP to buy the iPhone 5. Return it.
  21. ZipZap macrumors 603

    Dec 14, 2007
    Inconvenient for everyone...and not required to make the phone thinner.


    How many times has apple designed for the future and then flopped (Thunderbolt, Firewire).

    I get that this cable will likely be better but Apple's basic FU to customers is not an acceptable approach.

    Its like stopping smoking cold turkey. Rarely works and not a good approach.



    Never had one bend or fall out. Stop buying cheapo cables.
  22. Giuly macrumors 68040


    FireWire was sufficient for 10 years (and FW3200 would've been sufficient even longer), which is an eternity. One SSD however is faster than even FW3200.
    eSATA is too bulky and not multi-purpose, hence Thunderbolt. It's not like USB 3.0 is on par with 6GBit/s SSDs, either.

    The point here is that we will certainly see the Lightning to Thunderbolt cable, when any device has flash chips inside that are faster than USB 2.0, which shouldn't take that long actually.

    If you remember, Thunderbolt (and Lightning) can actually use optical cables, and Thunderbolt is kinda line external PCIe, so that should make it both futureproof, unless somebody comes up with something better than PCIe.
  23. golfgrouch macrumors member

    Oct 4, 2012
    Venice, CA
    Exactly. You vote with your dollars. By buying the iPhone 5 you are indirectly telling Apple that you support the lightning connector.

    Return your iPhone 5 and you'll be voting for the 30-pin connector.
  24. VandyChem2009 macrumors 6502a


    Oct 25, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    If you don't like it don't upgrade to the iPhone 5. No one is forcing you to move to the lightning adapter.
  25. darngooddesign macrumors G3

    Jul 4, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Exactly. I personally chose not to supprt the iPhone 4's antenna design, but I did support the 4S' antenna.

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