You all understand that nobody will release 30-pin accessories as soon as they roll out Lightning, right?
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Lightning is way better, but I do agree that Apple should have not kept this so secret until the iPhone 5 was announced. I don't understand why they did, seems all it has done is hurt consumers and cause a little bad feeling and PR. but yes it will get better in time, im not worried or really that upset. And it's good news for third party accessory manufacturers as they can sell new stuff now (I have 6 30 pin cables and would not have bought anymore).
Don't cry about the connector not working with your case. That is a failure on the cases manufacturer, not Apple. However, maybe next time Apple changes something for the better, you can give them the dimensions of the case you plan on getting and they can work around it.
Things are constantly changing, man. The question is whether you patiently deal with it, or complain over and over again.
If the iPhone 5 is too much change for you, return it and get a Nokia 920. But it's not like that thing has a 30-pin dock connector either.
If change is troubling you, you might want to switch your equipment to USB socketed chargers and 3.5mm headphone jack connections, as those are unlikely to change any time soon.
Yea, you're right.
Let me just buy a new DICE car kit with USB support, in excess of $150. Then I will also need a lightning extension cable, since the one Apple provides is far too short (separately sold ones are shorter!)
Or, let me buy a cheap radio head unit with 3.5mm headphone jack, which has less audio quality, and provides no control functionality from the steering wheel or radio and lacks charging capabilities for a similarly pretty penny.
No. Why should my user experience DECREASE from buying NEW and "improved" technology. Lightning is just like Thunderbolt - far too premature, expensive and under-supported. Thank god Apple still supports USB on their Macs along with Thunderbolt. Could you imagine what would happen if they dropped USB for Thunderbolt? The change to 30-pin is almost that scenario, but for iOS.
Apple should not have released Lightning, until they had a powerful enough adapter that would permit existing 30 pin accessories to function.
I love LTE, the A6, and the bigger screen, but seeing as the adapters are almost impossible to even locate, and either don't work at all or work half-asses, I seriously AM considering returning the 5 (or selling on eBay) and buying a used 4S until Apple gets their **** together.
I am a devote Apple fan and lover, but this is pure crap. Don't sell me an overpriced piece of plastic, which doesn't even properly fulfill it's job, and then PREVENT anyone else from providing updated or improved solutions!
Yes, iSheep: reasonable adults with common sense capable of not throwing temper tantrums when everything doesn't go their way.
So you're saying I lack common sense, and my point is completely unjustified?
Troll much?
Let's face it, there really are no new functions lightning brings that the 30-pin couldn't provide. Yes, it's smaller and sexier, but on the whole it's just an unnecessary move forward at this time, given how unprepared every facet of it's launch has been:
1.) Adapters aren't readily available
2.) Cables aren't readily available
3.) NO accessory support
4.) NO sign of third-party products before year end
And, come to find out that the cable lightning/30 pin adapter I had ordered, won't even work with my in-car iPod set up! I am basically required to spend $300 to update the accessory, when the system is hardly a few years old (Link). Apparently, the regular adapter, and the cable flavor of the adapter, are different in hardware and functionality. Furthermore, the cable variant's lightning end of the adapter is significantly larger than the standard lightning/USB cable, thus even the cable adapter is useless unless you go "naked" with your iPhone, as it won't fit most cases.
So I am stuck waiting for an adapter I can't even buy in a store or order online within a month, that will not work with my current accessory which is relatively new compared to most 30-pin accessories, that is too large to function with my case?
Maybe your .2m lightning cable is defective. I also ordered one and it works perfectly with my parrot mki9100, even better than when it was connected to my 4s via 30 pin. I see the accessory is connected in my music app and I can view playlists and albums through the parrot display.
That was pretty much my point. Why did you buy the phone? You either:
A. Did not educate yourself on the possible issues.
Or
B. Lack enough common sense to realize that it would be an issue.
Either way, you were the sheep in the first place to buy the phone when it first came out without waiting for the reviews.
Troll? Do you expect me to compliment you when you're calling people names that choose not to whine like children over new technology because their expectation of instant gratification isn't being catered to?
I find it interesting that one works and the other doesn't.
I was going to return my iphone 5 if the adapter didn't work with my 30 pin cable in my car. I couldn't believe it was taking Apple so long to ship these things.
I found a .5mm Male to 30-Pin Female Audio Adapter for $15 which does the job. Doesn't charge the phone obviously but I can deal with that until someone cracks the code and starts producing cheaper adapters Apple would have had my $40 if they would have released the adapters on launch - makes too much sense though for them to do that
I was going to return my iphone 5 if the adapter didn't work with my 30 pin cable in my car. I couldn't believe it was taking Apple so long to ship these things.
I found a .5mm Male to 30-Pin Female Audio Adapter for $15 which does the job. Doesn't charge the phone obviously but I can deal with that until someone cracks the code and starts producing cheaper adapters
Apple would have had my $40 if they would have released the adapters on launch - makes too much sense though for them to do that None of this indicates it was rushed.
It was long past time for the 30 pin to go.
Your primary issue seems to be it doesn't work with you car stereo.
The adapters are showing up in Apple stores now.
Get the adapter with the cable to fit your case.
Number 3 doesn't make sense.
It was long past time for the 30 pin to go.
Your primary issue seems to be it doesn't work with you car stereo.
The adapters are showing up in Apple stores now.
Get the adapter with the cable to fit your case.
Number 3 doesn't make sense.
Let's face it, there really are no new functions lightning brings that the 30-pin couldn't provide. Yes, it's smaller and sexier, but on the whole it's just an unnecessary move forward at this time, given how unprepared every facet of it's launch has been:
1.) Adapters aren't readily available
2.) Cables aren't readily available
3.) NO accessory support
4.) NO sign of third-party products before year end
And, come to find out that the cable lightning/30 pin adapter I had ordered, won't even work with my in-car iPod set up! I am basically required to spend $300 to update the accessory, when the system is hardly a few years old (Link). Apparently, the regular adapter, and the cable flavor of the adapter, are different in hardware and functionality. Furthermore, the cable variant's lightning end of the adapter is significantly larger than the standard lightning/USB cable, thus even the cable adapter is useless unless you go "naked" with your iPhone, as it won't fit most cases.
So I am stuck waiting for an adapter I can't even buy in a store or order online within a month, that will not work with my current accessory which is relatively new compared to most 30-pin accessories, that is too large to function with my case?
The smaller connection port allowed more room for other hardware which indirectly allowed the phone to be made thinner.
I found a .5mm Male to 30-Pin Female Audio Adapter for $15 which does the job. Doesn't charge the phone obviously but I can deal with that until someone cracks the code and starts producing cheaper adapters
I'm using a $6.88 Belkin cable from Wal-Mart. My 2012 Accord has a usb port and the lightning cable charges the iPhone 5 but doesn't play though. from what I have seen most car stereos play fine with the the adapter. I'll get one when I get around to it.
Somehow I'll manage to survive.
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I don't know if he is saying that but I am.
iSheep? Now who's trolling?
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Someone should tell the people who make the millions of Firewire devices over the years that firewire flopped. It would be news to them.
TB is taking awhile but is hardly a flop. I'm using a TB display with my MacBook Air with all USB and firewire ports full all over one thin cable to my Macbook Air. I'm going to go ahead and call that a success.
Meanwhile PC's are getting TB and the 2nd gen cheaper chips are coming out.
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30 pin cables sucked on the Nano but as you say it is the inside where space is saved and its a lot of space which is critical for the tight confines of a smartphone.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I guess next time I should just Assume that the adapter apple makes will not work. My bad.
I must be a sheep too. I didn't buy the adapter, I just plugged the lightning cable into the USB port in my car and Presto Chango Full ipod functionality. Which I hate. I like using aux cable and controlling from the iPod, or bluetooth, much faster and easier. Besides that I really like the cable. Old cable was so 90's.
Assuming any new electronic toy will work as earlier version without research can be painful. I'll give you $100 for the new setup.
I understand th OP's frustration. Waiting for an overpriced adapter to enable the use of iphone accessories is frustrating. Even more frustrating is spending the money only to find it doesn't work. I don't think it's outrageous for loyal customers to expect more. And I really don't get why people leap to the defense of apple so quickly and often with a condescending attitude for those who dare to complain.
Regardless of it's reputation for stellar customer service, any potential purchase or upgrade of apple products requires the customer to carefully read the fine print. With the exception of certain functions (i.e., video) I'm not sure someone could know whether the adapter would work with their accessories, but otherwise apple typically provides information to customers to help set their expectations. Unfortunately, that information is not always obvious.
With the iphone 5, apple listed the availability date for adapters as "october". Granted, they did lead some people to think an adapter would be provided with the iphone 5, but they corrected that mistake within a day. Apple also provided information regarding the software required to support the iphone 5, but I'm sure there were still many people with older versions of OS X who upgraded to ios 6, without realizing they would no longer be able to sync their phone to their mac. Fortunately, with a web search or two, a phone call, a payment of $20, and a few days of waiting, those customers can upgrade their mac to enable syncing of their phone.
Things things don't make apple a terrible company, but they don't equate to great customer service either. Apple is in it for the cash. They do annoying things. It is true that we can choose whether or not to continue being apple customers, but that is a poor defense of apple's less than stellar treatment of existing customers. Apple encourages customers to integrate its products into their lives, and they use that to their advantage. They know someone with a mac, iphone, ipad, apple tv, etc, is unlikely to abandon the iphone if they change the design in a way that temporarily inhibits customers from using some accessories or even renders a few accessories obsolete.
Could they or should they have provided adapters to third parties sooner? Probably. Is it ridiculous to expect that? No. Is $29/$39 a high price for an adapter? Yes. Can people choose to buy or not buy an iphone 5? Of course. Is it unreasonable for existing customers to expect better from Apple? No.
Regardless of it's reputation for stellar customer service, any potential purchase or upgrade of apple products requires the customer to carefully read the fine print. With the exception of certain functions (i.e., video) I'm not sure someone could know whether the adapter would work with their accessories, but otherwise apple typically provides information to customers to help set their expectations. Unfortunately, that information is not always obvious.
With the iphone 5, apple listed the availability date for adapters as "october". Granted, they did lead some people to think an adapter would be provided with the iphone 5, but they corrected that mistake within a day. Apple also provided information regarding the software required to support the iphone 5, but I'm sure there were still many people with older versions of OS X who upgraded to ios 6, without realizing they would no longer be able to sync their phone to their mac. Fortunately, with a web search or two, a phone call, a payment of $20, and a few days of waiting, those customers can upgrade their mac to enable syncing of their phone.
Things things don't make apple a terrible company, but they don't equate to great customer service either. Apple is in it for the cash. They do annoying things. It is true that we can choose whether or not to continue being apple customers, but that is a poor defense of apple's less than stellar treatment of existing customers. Apple encourages customers to integrate its products into their lives, and they use that to their advantage. They know someone with a mac, iphone, ipad, apple tv, etc, is unlikely to abandon the iphone if they change the design in a way that temporarily inhibits customers from using some accessories or even renders a few accessories obsolete.
Could they or should they have provided adapters to third parties sooner? Probably. Is it ridiculous to expect that? No. Is $29/$39 a high price for an adapter? Yes. Can people choose to buy or not buy an iphone 5? Of course. Is it unreasonable for existing customers to expect better from Apple? No.