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Like Apple, Meta is Working on Humanoid Robots
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If they are the iceberg, we're building it ourselves and don't seem to have any intention of avoiding it. Is there anyone in the crows nest seriously on watch??? The bulk of the "passengers" can do nothing about it, not even put on their warmest clothes and life jackets. There are no obvious life boats on this ship.
It seems it's purely a "just trust us" White Star scenario where those able to eventually create our artificial clones decide to rise above the profit motive and resolve the very real scenario of how do those replaced survive. Where is the life boat planning? Is there definitely enough for all? Or do only a few in first class get to survive (to continue the tournament towards "richest" to its final endpoint) while "steerage" goes down with the ship... until first class themselves are replaced?
As is, this is one of those things that can just sneak up on the world... like climate change. It's not like 6 Fridays from now, everyone is laid off of all jobs because their replacements will work for near $0. It seems like it would just sneak up in vertical professions and the people doing those now would then have to learn other skills... like carriage builders being impacted by automobiles and lantern makers being impacted by light bulbs. However, unlike all such technological hops in the past, if these bots are physically in our image and if A.I. can achieve H.I. (human intelligence) so they can learn the great variety of all roles needing someone to do them AT THE SAME TIME, the pace at which vast swaths of professions are impacted could be quicker than historical norms. Once there were cars for sale, there was still a very long time for the buggy industry to fade down. The fade time for A.I. bots replacing H.I. organics would not necessarily have to be so long, nor niched into a single industry like that example.
Extreme example: the finest surgeon's skills & knowledge dies with him/her but get one Android surgeon up to comparable skills and their skills & knowledge can be copy & pasted to however many clones of "best surgeon" are needed. Such skills & knowledge don't die with their "entity" but are perhaps stored in a database, accessible by countless replacements. Once you've got "best surgeon" knowledge & skills stored, you have endless "best surgeons" on demand.
This "sneak up" thing is very real. Look at graphic arts professionals as a whole right now... sweating this ability for existing, rudimentary A.I. to do some of what they can do as a profession. What happens as A.I. gets smarter? What happens as graphic designers get smarter about their profession? As either grow their skills, they can do more kinds of graphic art. But one of them can do it for towards $0. Spread that same basic concept to nearly all professions.
What profession requires uniquely H.I. to be done? Whatever you might name in answer to that question, how would the next generation do it? The existing keeper of unique H.I. knowledge/skills/tactics would train an apprentice until the apprentice is able to do it. Train one A.I. apprentice to do it and the special knowledge can be quickly copy & pasted to thousands of clones.
Is this all bad? I don't know. Depending on how we as "creator" handle it, it could be fantastically good. If "best surgeon" skills do not die with a biological body anymore and best surgeon can work for near $0, can the biological "creators" get that surgery for near $0? If you can tap into a surgeon knowledge database, can your own personal "Data" gain the skills to do the surgery at home just as good as it would be done now?
The complication in this is in if the few able to create the "Datas" opt to preserve the money/class system or facilitate a hop to some replacement where the pursuit of money no longer needs to dominate all of our days. I hope there are people in many high places imagining such a replacement and figuring out the nitty-gritty steps from here to there versus only the profiteers plotting how to cut all labor costs within their individual silos with no care for what happens if nearly no buyers of their products or services make money anymore to buy whatever they sell.
If you evict all of the labor from nearly all jobs, who is left (with income) to buy whatever you make or sell? So much of what is sold caters to human wants & needs. Why does a bot need a phone when they almost certainly have cellular connections built inside themselves? Why do they need a Mac when they are already more than a Mac inside themselves? Why do they need an iPad? AirPods? ASD? Subscriptions to streaming video? Why do bots need light bulbs or food or shelter much bigger than their own physical size? Do bots want to travel? Do they want jewelry? Toys for bot tots? Clothing? Heating & A/C? Why would they need plumbing? And on and on.
It seems it's purely a "just trust us" White Star scenario where those able to eventually create our artificial clones decide to rise above the profit motive and resolve the very real scenario of how do those replaced survive. Where is the life boat planning? Is there definitely enough for all? Or do only a few in first class get to survive (to continue the tournament towards "richest" to its final endpoint) while "steerage" goes down with the ship... until first class themselves are replaced?
As is, this is one of those things that can just sneak up on the world... like climate change. It's not like 6 Fridays from now, everyone is laid off of all jobs because their replacements will work for near $0. It seems like it would just sneak up in vertical professions and the people doing those now would then have to learn other skills... like carriage builders being impacted by automobiles and lantern makers being impacted by light bulbs. However, unlike all such technological hops in the past, if these bots are physically in our image and if A.I. can achieve H.I. (human intelligence) so they can learn the great variety of all roles needing someone to do them AT THE SAME TIME, the pace at which vast swaths of professions are impacted could be quicker than historical norms. Once there were cars for sale, there was still a very long time for the buggy industry to fade down. The fade time for A.I. bots replacing H.I. organics would not necessarily have to be so long, nor niched into a single industry like that example.
Extreme example: the finest surgeon's skills & knowledge dies with him/her but get one Android surgeon up to comparable skills and their skills & knowledge can be copy & pasted to however many clones of "best surgeon" are needed. Such skills & knowledge don't die with their "entity" but are perhaps stored in a database, accessible by countless replacements. Once you've got "best surgeon" knowledge & skills stored, you have endless "best surgeons" on demand.
This "sneak up" thing is very real. Look at graphic arts professionals as a whole right now... sweating this ability for existing, rudimentary A.I. to do some of what they can do as a profession. What happens as A.I. gets smarter? What happens as graphic designers get smarter about their profession? As either grow their skills, they can do more kinds of graphic art. But one of them can do it for towards $0. Spread that same basic concept to nearly all professions.
What profession requires uniquely H.I. to be done? Whatever you might name in answer to that question, how would the next generation do it? The existing keeper of unique H.I. knowledge/skills/tactics would train an apprentice until the apprentice is able to do it. Train one A.I. apprentice to do it and the special knowledge can be quickly copy & pasted to thousands of clones.
Is this all bad? I don't know. Depending on how we as "creator" handle it, it could be fantastically good. If "best surgeon" skills do not die with a biological body anymore and best surgeon can work for near $0, can the biological "creators" get that surgery for near $0? If you can tap into a surgeon knowledge database, can your own personal "Data" gain the skills to do the surgery at home just as good as it would be done now?
The complication in this is in if the few able to create the "Datas" opt to preserve the money/class system or facilitate a hop to some replacement where the pursuit of money no longer needs to dominate all of our days. I hope there are people in many high places imagining such a replacement and figuring out the nitty-gritty steps from here to there versus only the profiteers plotting how to cut all labor costs within their individual silos with no care for what happens if nearly no buyers of their products or services make money anymore to buy whatever they sell.
If you evict all of the labor from nearly all jobs, who is left (with income) to buy whatever you make or sell? So much of what is sold caters to human wants & needs. Why does a bot need a phone when they almost certainly have cellular connections built inside themselves? Why do they need a Mac when they are already more than a Mac inside themselves? Why do they need an iPad? AirPods? ASD? Subscriptions to streaming video? Why do bots need light bulbs or food or shelter much bigger than their own physical size? Do bots want to travel? Do they want jewelry? Toys for bot tots? Clothing? Heating & A/C? Why would they need plumbing? And on and on.
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It is crazy how many tech devices they showcased in the Jetson's that we now have today. What a time to be alive!
So you don't have a dishwasher, microwave oven, washing machine, vacuum cleaner? If so, stop being lazy!
I hear you but at what point do the tools take over our lives. What will a person be left with.
As with exercising and strength training positive results come from a bit of resistance and struggle.
The best thing about a garden is seeing the results of one’s handiwork from seed to fruit.
These devices will most certainly be subscription based.
You lease the robot and then pay a fee for each task completed.
Iron a shirt 1/4 credit
Load the dishwasher 1 credit
Mow the lawn 2 credits
Corporate are not built for the betterment of man but rather their bottom line.
Maybe @EM2013 was thinking broader similar to the warning issued by John Steinbeck:
“We now face the danger, which in the past has been the most destructive to the humans: Success, plenty, comfort and ever-increasing leisure. No dynamic people has ever survived these dangers.”
Interesting headline.
A better, more accurate headline would have been…..
Apple has more in common with Tesla than Meta. Both are tech companies that sell a lot of hardware. Apple, unlike Meta, does little social media apart from censoring and kneecapping it.
We also know what happed the last time Apple challenged Tesla directly, it cost it over $10 billion.
Of course Tesla is persona non grata here.
A better, more accurate headline would have been…..
Like Tesla, Apple and Meta are working on Humanoid Robots.
Apple has more in common with Tesla than Meta. Both are tech companies that sell a lot of hardware. Apple, unlike Meta, does little social media apart from censoring and kneecapping it.
We also know what happed the last time Apple challenged Tesla directly, it cost it over $10 billion.
Of course Tesla is persona non grata here.
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Will it have tech-bro-mode?
Facebook parent company Meta is investing heavily in AI-powered humanoid robots, according to a report from Bloomberg. Meta wants to create robots that can act like humans and help people with physical tasks, and has developed a new team in its Reality Labs hardware to work on the project.
Meta's first focus will be on robots that can do household chores, but the company's overarching goal is to develop AI, sensors, and software for robots that can be manufactured and sold to third-party companies to allow those companies to develop their own robots. Meta is aiming to be the Android of robots.
Robot technology is not currently advanced enough to allow robots to fold clothes, do dishes, or complete other household chores, but Meta feels that its work in artificial intelligence and virtual reality could boost robot development.
In 2025, Meta will spend around $65 billion on artificial intelligence infrastructure, robotics, and virtual reality products. Meta plans to build some of its own hardware, and work with robotics manufacturers to build prototypes.
If Meta does end up creating a humanoid robot, it could compete with an Apple-designed robot in the future. Apple is working on both humanoid and non-humanoid robots, but the company's work on humanoid robotics is in the proof-of-concept stage and years away from launching.
Non-humanoid robots could come sooner. Apple is said to be working on a tabletop robot with an iPad-style display that's attached to a robotic arm, and such a product could come as early as 2026 or 2027.
Apple robotics researchers recently shared details on a lamp-like robot prototype with lifelike movements and human-like interaction capabilities.
Article Link: Like Apple, Meta is Working on Humanoid Robots
In Italy the thing you are talking about was actually a thing, before the new government decided to scrap it entirely.
It's actually a great thing to have, because not only you feel much safer, but you can't be blackmailed to work for illegal wages/cash in hand, or in illegal work conditions.
Even crime went down during those years.
In short, what you're suggesting is definitely the way to go.
Isn't it obvious?
It's so that you won't need a robot for each different task. Instead you'll have one robot for all-ish tasks.
Ooh! a multitasking robot. Instead of a purpose-built robot that performs its role perfectly, an all-purpose robot that performs everything poorly.You'd be crazy not to buy one. Or two…
Isn’t 99% or maybe 100% of consumer products about making things easier for humans? Where’s the line between making things easier and enabling laziness?We need to stop encouraging/enabling humans to be lazy
A Premonition from Wall-E
“You cannot argue against the fact that the creators of Wall-E were trying to warn the adults in the audience that this vision for…benjweinberg.medium.com
You have to think that technology evolves, and time will come when human-like robots might not always be as good as specific-task robots, but close.
Not only: only human-like robots can perform tasks in a very dynamic environment, like in a home and/or outdoor. For instance, there is no robot that can clean windows, setup/clear a table, put the garbage in the garbage bin, prune trees. I mean, the list is endless.
As hard as it might be for some - including me - to accept this change in our lives, I think going with it is better than just be against it, cuz it'll simply happen, wether an undefined number of people want it or not.
Cheers
One of the best kepts secrets. The Apple car was originally planned as a Transformer, so Apple only needs some fine tuning, massive AI power and is yet ready to announce the Apple Bot (with external battery).
I think it's normal for every generation to worry about the next generation being lazy, losing track of what is important, don't valuing traditions and so on. I read someone from Greece back in 500 BC saying the exact same things as someone in 1700. And it sounded exactly like what my parents were telling me when I was a teen.
So I don't see the world ending just because I cut the boring repetitive work down and let machines do it for me. I say the same when someone laughs why I use a Roomba, I ask them don't you have a washing machine, do you go down to the river to wash your clothes by hand?
Why are you being so lazy using a computer and the internet to reply to a commenter?! Start walking and reply to the individual in person!
I don’t see how the fact that it’s humanoid matters much. If anything people who would use robots for violence probably couldn’t care less what shape/form factor it takes.
