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lowendlinux said:
I wonder if it's able to escalate if the browser is a Snap/Flatpak/Appimage since those aren't really running as your user and they're not linked to the machines libraries.
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Yes

The recent local escalations don't care what user they run as, they're kernel exploits from any user context.

A mitigation is to blacklist the kernel module from memory... one of my engineers mitigated on RHEL until the patch was available yesterday.

Either way, another bug in linux in the last week was a container escape soo...

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not even joking... its been a week...


to be fair though, its not just been linux.

unlock BitLocker encryption with a USB stick, vulnerabilities in FreeBSD, Palo Alto, Cisco SDWAN, MacOS, supply chain attack in tanstack (over 300 node.js packages) etc.
 
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maflynn said:
Except, I'm not dealing with microslop jamming copilot down my throat, or having advertisements being shown everywhere, nor do I have the same level of telemetry, and phoning home

For me, its largely a win 🙂
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As I mentioned before, I have all SLOP turned off, no ads, no suggestions, no promoted apps. Telemetry at this point if you have any phone etc you already have all the telemetry going back to the mothership. Apple has just as much reporting back to them from your device as microsoft does, MS however is up front with it.
 
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Steve Adams said:
As I mentioned before, I have all SLOP turned off, no ads, no suggestions, no promoted apps. Telemetry at this point if you have any phone etc you already have all the telemetry going back to the mothership. Apple has just as much reporting back to them from your device as microsoft does, MS however is up front with it.
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Until next update.


Take a step back, and listen to yourself. This isn't how a computer is supposed to be.

Telemetry back to the vendor is one thing. Microsoft SELL THAT to "trusted partners". "Trusted partners" are basically anyone with a couple of dollars.

Apple do not. That's the difference.
 
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Steve Adams said:
Apple has just as much reporting back to them from your device as microsoft does, MS however is up front with it.
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Apple certainly is going down the same path as MS to be sure.

I'm happy with Linux, and its doing everything I want, without needing to use special scripts that need to be rerun after updates, or deal with MS' other nonsense.

Maybe MS will see the light, and make positive changes, but one of the biggest annoyances I have is them forcing me to an online account. There's ways around it, but it seems MS is working diligently to close those work arounds down.
 
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throAU said:
Until next update.


Take a step back, and listen to yourself. This isn't how a computer is supposed to be.

Telemetry back to the vendor is one thing. Microsoft SELL THAT to "trusted partners". "Trusted partners" are basically anyone with a couple of dollars.

Apple do not. That's the difference.
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I get all updates and never have to change my settings back. That's mostly influencer talking points to gain clicks.
 
maflynn said:
Apple certainly is going down the same path as MS to be sure.

I'm happy with Linux, and its doing everything I want, without needing to use special scripts that need to be rerun after updates, or deal with MS' other nonsense.

Maybe MS will see the light, and make positive changes, but one of the biggest annoyances I have is them forcing me to an online account. There's ways around it, but it seems MS is working diligently to close those work arounds down.
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Totally. Horses for courses as I said earlier. Whatever you like, use. I am having fun when I make comments like I did. But MS is going to be doing away with the required online account very soon.
 
Every time I think about switching to just Linux, I look up like Apple Music (which I currently use on my iPad, iPhone, and Windows laptop, and go, “never mind.”. 😀

Like, exept for that, Obsidian, etc., I might be able to make it work, and then there is always a couple of programs…sigh.
 
maflynn said:
Because its marketed as a windows replacement, they made decisions that some may call heavy handed but its with the inexperienced windows user in mind. These decisions can make the experience feel like you're not using your own computer - at least that's what some folks have stated.
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You described how CachyOS loaded a set of stuff. But, what is it that you can't really change?
 
eltoslightfoot said:
Every time I think about switching to just Linux, I look up like Apple Music (which I currently use on my iPad, iPhone, and Windows laptop, and go, “never mind.”. 😀

Like, exept for that, Obsidian, etc., I might be able to make it work, and then there is always a couple of programs…sigh.
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They do have a an Apple Music Web App. I don't know if you're using the iTunes Store or just playing music from an Apple Music sub but for the latter the web app is fine and of course works on Linux. Kind of dumb you need Windows to download some MP3s though.
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
Every time I think about switching to just Linux, I look up like Apple Music (which I currently use on my iPad, iPhone, and Windows laptop, and go, “never mind.”. 😀
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I'm not so invested in the walled garden that I'm prevented from moving around on different platforms. I'm splitting my time between my M4 Studio, and my linux desktop. I'm currently, typing this on my M4 Studio.

I have Apple music, and various other apple services, but overall My Mac Studio scratches that itch for me
 
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maflynn said:
I'm not so invested in the walled garden that I'm prevented from moving around on different platforms. I'm splitting my time between my M4 Studio, and my linux desktop. I'm currently, typing this on my M4 Studio.

I have Apple music, and various other apple services, but overall My Mac Studio scratches that itch for me
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Same here. Daily personal driver is a 16 GB i7 Chromebook (work: 16 GB M4 Air), M1 MAX 32GB AI/LLM server, Pro M3 14" is my Swiss army knife.

I use a small herd of Raspbeyy Pi's for a bunch of different server things. No Windows at home for 2+ decades. Still access some of that platform at work, on rare occasions.
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
To be fair, I haven't either. I just shut off Copilot, Onedrive, make all privacy changes, and disable all notifications and widgets. Never had to redo any of that.

Having to do that in the first place is another issue. 🙂
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I use Onedrive so that is not a big deal for me. It's a good value for my family so I don't mind paying for it.
 
Steve Adams said:
As I mentioned before, I have all SLOP turned off, no ads, no suggestions, no promoted apps. Telemetry at this point if you have any phone etc you already have all the telemetry going back to the mothership. Apple has just as much reporting back to them from your device as microsoft does, MS however is up front with it.
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If you care about telemetry there are places you can go on mobile that don't have it.

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With all of this privacy and security stuff you have to decide what you're willing to give up to get it. On my Macs I'm good with little snitch and not letting anything through, on my phones it's Graphene with everything turned off and a double hop VPN.

I wish it wasn't this way but at least for now this is where we are.
 
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Steve Adams said:
I use Onedrive so that is not a big deal for me. It's a good value for my family so I don't mind paying for it.
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It's not end to end encrypted, so I roll my own Unraid server with Nextcloud. I also have ADP enabled for iCloud. That might change if MS didn't engage in CSAM behavior and not allow e2ee. But you are right, it's a great value. I literally pay for it and don't use it as part of Office 365.
 
eltoslightfoot said:
It's not end to end encrypted, so I roll my own Unraid server with Nextcloud. I also have ADP enabled for iCloud. That might change if MS didn't engage in CSAM behavior and not allow e2ee. But you are right, it's a great value. I literally pay for it and don't use it as part of Office 365.
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I have my server ready to roll so to speak. I just have to get the OS installed and fired up. We are getting our house ready to sell so I am eyes deep into re-doing our bathrooms, paint, and other stuff. As I said, I have no issues with my current situation. I am fine with my choices, and I am fine with everyone else's.

I just can't see myself going to Linux, just to fight my OS every step of the way to get what I need software wise, when I can just do it all seamlessly now on windows. I have no issues with things turning back on etc. My two systems have been setup since 2021 and NOT ONCE did I have to go back and turn off any settings I changed. As I said, that's mostly YouTube "influencer" talking points to get clicks, not reality.
 
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Steve Adams said:
I have my server ready to roll so to speak. I just have to get the OS installed and fired up. We are getting our house ready to sell so I am eyes deep into re-doing our bathrooms, paint, and other stuff. As I said, I have no issues with my current situation. I am fine with my choices, and I am fine with everyone else's.

I just can't see myself going to Linux, just to fight my OS every step of the way to get what I need software wise, when I can just do it all seamlessly now on windows. I have no issues with things turning back on etc. My two systems have been setup since 2021 and NOT ONCE did I have to go back and turn off any settings I changed. As I said, that's mostly YouTube "influencer" talking points to get clicks, not reality.
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I hear ya, brother. What’s nice about Unraid is it makes everything super easy. I have been a Unix/Linux admin. This is not that. You throw some drives in a PC, it takes care of the RAID stuff. Heck, the whole OS fits on a jump drive.

The biggie is making it secure. I do this, but also don’t expose it to the outside world. LAN only. That’s the major limitation.

Getting your house to sell is a WAY higher priority, and I hope it all goes really well for you! That is really stressful!
 
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