That makes sense, I thought xfce was updated for wayland. Its odd that the sddm menu offered a xfce wayland session on its selection list. Either way, it seems interesting (at least in a vm), though I don't see it really replacing gnome for me.
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S.B.G
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I believe there is a Wayland version of XFCE, but I think it is very buggy and probably not worth the hassle for you.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
Yeah it looks like Debian and Arch distro's use AppArmor instead of SELinux (by default).
Fedora has a reputation of being more secure and better security wise. I'm generally happy with the arch based distros of EOS and CachyOS, so I don't feel I want to keep distro hopping but overall Fedora is one that is on my short list where I could see myself going too
diamond.g
macrumors G5
I use RHEL at work, so fedora would be a close analog. At home I am in the process of building a syslog server using RPiOS. Allegedly there are open source SIEMs that I can use to process my logs. It'll be a fun side project.
Debian. Raw and basic. I certainly try other distros for fun, but my work box has Debian 13 but loaded from scratch, so to speak. That is, I net install the absolute basics giving just enough smarts to see the Internet and know that it is a just-born OS. Then I only load what I use, one utility at a time. (Actually a script auto-loads my list of stuff) Then, the radio is turned off (nmcli r wifi off) and I don't have to worry about some drive-by becoming active without notice. It is easy enough to turn the wifi back on again to get access to the world, but most of my use is single user (hobby) programming, controlling electronics that have nothing to do with the 'Net.
AI is on another tower on the local lan with a 20gb GPU and works well for coding, and is very basic Debian. Jan, Ollama, several local LLMs, and little else.
A little Nuc samba server connects me with the Macs.
Be a different setup if I was a web programmer.
AI is on another tower on the local lan with a 20gb GPU and works well for coding, and is very basic Debian. Jan, Ollama, several local LLMs, and little else.
A little Nuc samba server connects me with the Macs.
Be a different setup if I was a web programmer.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
I'm learning Ansible to script out things from Satellite. It is a very interesting process.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
So I finally put the nail in my Linux coffin. Just fired up inkscape using the files I use for our graphics stuff and it would not edit it correctly. So, Might as well just stay put on windows and work and get things done. No more screwing around with software, drivers and stuff trying to get it to work, just log into windows and it works.
Windowmaker is the window manager component of GNUstep, a NeXTSTEP clone/workalike. If you had a NeXT computer back in the day, this is the desktop environment you'd be using (or close to it anyway). There is, of course, a learning curve, something that the various correspondents here seem averse to.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
Why is it that I can't stop using my little linux computer? anyone? I have a failed bootup on my windows system, grab this and I am just happy using it like it's an ipad etc. I have to figure out how to edit my graphics packages on linux somehow.
CasualFanboy
macrumors 6502a
It's just fun, and satisfying, to use something that you can make your own. It's hard to explain, but it has always appealed to me. Of course, there are times when you need something that "just works" and doesn't require much effort when something specific needs to get done. But for leisure, I love having complete control, even if it requires some extra effort on my part.
Actually, 'just works' is secondary to 'doesn't change' for myself. On any Linux/Unix system I can code for years using the same editor, compiler and utilities, even after updating the core 'Nix itself. Can't speak for windows, but after using Xcode on Macs since about version 4 and with my workflow changing every time the next version is released, taking however long to find that that 'This' has been moved to 'There' and 'That' has been deprecated for 'Something.' (Then try to find its replacement in about a thousand pages of dense documentation). Not to mention that, back when books were important, the next version of Xcode usually made the last $59 dollar book worthless.
Macos is great for Internet stuff, but I don't code with it anymore.
Ugh.
Macos is great for Internet stuff, but I don't code with it anymore.
Ugh.
Not really.
Now, I understand that some do not like the visuals (as some feel those are too "Windowslike"), some do not like the overwhelming customization options.
That said, anyone who ever had the possibilty to program with Gtk vs KDE Libs (or Qt) has and idea. I particular, KDE Libs threading model is widely considered one of the best.
Sure it is.
You're personal preference is KDE, and I can respect that, but making broad brush statements of one's superiority is misguided at best
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
That's what I am using too. There is no way for me to edit my vectors I use for our stuff on Linux. I need affinity. I tried Ai files in inkscape which they claim you can edit the files but not with the ease and speed I can on windows and Affinity Designer. I can make the changes needed in very little time.
Steve Adams
macrumors 68000
I have been doing a bunch of reading, watching and research on running Affinity and Davinci Resolve on linux. Every thing I have read to date states there are always issues with both on linux. Neither run smoothly without doing a bunch of work arounds, constantly with them just to get them reliable for a short period of time. Needless to say, I can't use that since I will be on time constraints and deadlines to finish projects and things for work.
Windows it is for me. I have all my software there and it runs reliably, with the hardware I already have. To get resolve half reliable on Linux, I would have to get an AMD/Radeon setup. I am not willing to swap to a new workstation to change OS platforms at this time. Stuck where I am to, but it's ok. I don't have any issues with windows anyways.
Windows it is for me. I have all my software there and it runs reliably, with the hardware I already have. To get resolve half reliable on Linux, I would have to get an AMD/Radeon setup. I am not willing to swap to a new workstation to change OS platforms at this time. Stuck where I am to, but it's ok. I don't have any issues with windows anyways.
CasualFanboy
macrumors 6502a
In many ways, Linux has been its own worst enemy the last few years. Redhat dominates the direction of kernel development, and low level things like the init system. Then, in the name of "standardization," they lobby other distributions to adopt their choices.
If these choices and changes were deliberate, it might be ok. But it seems very much like a new-shiny-thing philosophy, so you never know what the hell is going on. If you take a break from following linux activity for 6 months, you come back and it's a mess.
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
What about if it has been around 20 years? Let's see, Fedora was out for a couple of years. Not much as changed, right?