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Lion-Compatible Quicken 2007 for Mac Promised in 'Early Spring'
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Totally agree.
Anyone here use TurboTax 2010 or 2011 on Lion? If so, what kind of snags have you run into, if any?
Thank you, Quicken
This is perfect! Quicken 2005 does everything I need. I much prefer stability in software to new for newness sake, particularly for something like accounting software.
Compare with Apple's attempts at cloud computing, each iteration lasting 2 or 3 years, then being redone, re-branded, and breaking compatibility.
This is perfect! Quicken 2005 does everything I need. I much prefer stability in software to new for newness sake, particularly for something like accounting software.
Compare with Apple's attempts at cloud computing, each iteration lasting 2 or 3 years, then being redone, re-branded, and breaking compatibility.
Separate group?
Yes, you would think so, but no for two reasons. I admit, it may just be my circumstances but I find it hard to believe it is just me.
1. I had over 200 names and addresses in my quicken file. Some I wrote checks to rarely and some weekly. Even as a separate group, it would have overwhelmedtry 75+/- personal addresses and made separating out the home and work addresses complicated in the case of those friends who had businesses in their name that I wrote checks to.
2. The Mac Address Book has limited address fields and no good way to enter account numbers. If the address is unusual, Address Book isn't flexible enough. If you need account numbers, you can keep them in Address Book, but then you need to have it running alongside iBank to refer to in which case the automated connection between iBank and Address Book is pointless.
I ran quicken, iBank, MoneyDance and SEE Finance together for two months, keeping them in synch. ( I had planned on three but my computer met an untimely end cutting short my test and forcing me into Lion overnight. ) It was clear that the three replacements each had potential but of the three MD was the only one that would SEND transactions to my bank as well as download them automatically. It was also the one that would print checks easily and didn't give me Address Book issues.
Bookkeeping, accounting, finance, bill paying, etc software isn't designed to be fun, so I opted for the one that was, for me, the least hassle. Others may see it differently.
Yes, you would think so, but no for two reasons. I admit, it may just be my circumstances but I find it hard to believe it is just me.
1. I had over 200 names and addresses in my quicken file. Some I wrote checks to rarely and some weekly. Even as a separate group, it would have overwhelmedtry 75+/- personal addresses and made separating out the home and work addresses complicated in the case of those friends who had businesses in their name that I wrote checks to.
2. The Mac Address Book has limited address fields and no good way to enter account numbers. If the address is unusual, Address Book isn't flexible enough. If you need account numbers, you can keep them in Address Book, but then you need to have it running alongside iBank to refer to in which case the automated connection between iBank and Address Book is pointless.
I ran quicken, iBank, MoneyDance and SEE Finance together for two months, keeping them in synch. ( I had planned on three but my computer met an untimely end cutting short my test and forcing me into Lion overnight. ) It was clear that the three replacements each had potential but of the three MD was the only one that would SEND transactions to my bank as well as download them automatically. It was also the one that would print checks easily and didn't give me Address Book issues.
Bookkeeping, accounting, finance, bill paying, etc software isn't designed to be fun, so I opted for the one that was, for me, the least hassle. Others may see it differently.
A month or so ago I reinstalled TT 2010 in Lion to amend my 2010 returns and the install went fine and updates over the Internet all worked okay.
There was a thread here about the 2011 version having problems updating in Lion, and a Quicken support VP posted this would be fixed on 12/15. I checked the Intuit web site yesterday and the support area states this is no longer a problem and the updates work, but I have not tried it myself.
Thanks for the info, I think I'll install them on my mother's comp for Christmas, glad to know that 2010 was working from the beginning.
Quicken Ughhh
Was running older version of Quicken with Snow Leopard had to switch over to Quicken Essentials 2010 for Mac when I upgraded to Lion. It loaded it and ran the program, but it was a total disaster. I only use the check book but the &^%$#& program can't even add or subtract correctly. Forget trying to balance a checkbook! If you try to change the or move any of numerous (an in my opinion) useless data columns, it blanks out the running totals (balance) column. Worse, you cannot restore the function even if you use the restore to default. In desperation, I fired up my PC and downloaded the free version of MS Money. It is a little quirky but it works. No I'm not even sure I want to use Turbo Tax anymore. I mean if Quicken can't get a simple add and subtract program to work, how buggy will a complicated tax program be? Its amazing to me how crappy their products have become over the last few years.
Was running older version of Quicken with Snow Leopard had to switch over to Quicken Essentials 2010 for Mac when I upgraded to Lion. It loaded it and ran the program, but it was a total disaster. I only use the check book but the &^%$#& program can't even add or subtract correctly. Forget trying to balance a checkbook! If you try to change the or move any of numerous (an in my opinion) useless data columns, it blanks out the running totals (balance) column. Worse, you cannot restore the function even if you use the restore to default. In desperation, I fired up my PC and downloaded the free version of MS Money. It is a little quirky but it works. No I'm not even sure I want to use Turbo Tax anymore. I mean if Quicken can't get a simple add and subtract program to work, how buggy will a complicated tax program be? Its amazing to me how crappy their products have become over the last few years.
We are the only ones to blame
I used to upgrade to the latest version of Quicken and used MacInTax every year. After getting tired of Intuit's middle finger to the Mac community, I stopped purchasing their products. The only reason I have Quicken 2005 is because it came with my Mac.
I did switch back to MacInTax for one year a while back (I can't remember why), but I've been otherwise very happy with TaxCut for the past decade. It may be slightly less polished as far as the UI and may not hold your hand quite as much as TT, but it does the job and costs less to boot.
Btw, when OS X first came out, H&R Block was there with a fully OSX native TaxCut. Intuit got around to shipping one a year or two later. I recall a similar story when Apple switched to Intel processors.
Intuit has made it very clear over the past 15 years that they don't give a cr@p about Mac users. They shovel their putrid, sorry excuse for software to us, knowing that there's enough people who will happily pay the money.
Hey, we've been paying sometimes twice as much for a lobotomized version of Quicken (compared to the Windows version). Why should Intuit do anything different?
I used to upgrade to the latest version of Quicken and used MacInTax every year. After getting tired of Intuit's middle finger to the Mac community, I stopped purchasing their products. The only reason I have Quicken 2005 is because it came with my Mac.
I did switch back to MacInTax for one year a while back (I can't remember why), but I've been otherwise very happy with TaxCut for the past decade. It may be slightly less polished as far as the UI and may not hold your hand quite as much as TT, but it does the job and costs less to boot.
Btw, when OS X first came out, H&R Block was there with a fully OSX native TaxCut. Intuit got around to shipping one a year or two later. I recall a similar story when Apple switched to Intel processors.
Intuit has made it very clear over the past 15 years that they don't give a cr@p about Mac users. They shovel their putrid, sorry excuse for software to us, knowing that there's enough people who will happily pay the money.
Hey, we've been paying sometimes twice as much for a lobotomized version of Quicken (compared to the Windows version). Why should Intuit do anything different?
Not that I am a big fan of Intuit, but one of the best features of quicken, is Quicken Bill Pay. I have yet to find an alternative program that allows importing of quicken files, AND has an online bill paying feature. Downloads of Bank data, yes, but not actual online bill paying through the program itself. If someone knows of one that does, please educate me, because none of the ones I have seen, have that feature.
Therefore, 2007 version or not, this is great news to me. After all, I'm using it now, and it works, even if it is an older version. (how many of you are feeling great about the newest windows version of MS office? And how long have you had to look for the simplest commands. Newer isn't always better).
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Say what? I have always done my taxes on Turbo Tax (hasn't been called Macintax for YEARS), I'm always on the latest mac version, and have never had a problem with Turbo Tax. Again, not defending Quicken, but lets not falsely accuse them where they don't deserve it. Lets stick to calling them Retards for not supporting the mac better, on Quicken.
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iBank doesn't offer true online bill pay. It only works with banks that have their own online bill pay, which uploads and downloads transactions. Big difference.
Therefore, 2007 version or not, this is great news to me. After all, I'm using it now, and it works, even if it is an older version. (how many of you are feeling great about the newest windows version of MS office? And how long have you had to look for the simplest commands. Newer isn't always better).
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I used to upgrade to the latest version of Quicken and used MacInTax every year. After getting tired of Intuit's middle finger to the Mac community, I stopped purchasing their products. The only reason I have Quicken 2005 is because it came with my Mac.
I did switch back to MacInTax for one year a while back (I can't remember why), but I've been otherwise very happy with TaxCut for the past decade. It may be slightly less polished as far as the UI and may not hold your hand quite as much as TT, but it does the job and costs less to boot.
Btw, when OS X first came out, H&R Block was there with a fully OSX native TaxCut. Intuit got around to shipping one a year or two later. I recall a similar story when Apple switched to Intel processors.
Intuit has made it very clear over the past 15 years that they don't give a cr@p about Mac users. They shovel their putrid, sorry excuse for software to us, knowing that there's enough people who will happily pay the money.
Hey, we've been paying sometimes twice as much for a lobotomized version of Quicken (compared to the Windows version). Why should Intuit do anything different?
Say what? I have always done my taxes on Turbo Tax (hasn't been called Macintax for YEARS), I'm always on the latest mac version, and have never had a problem with Turbo Tax. Again, not defending Quicken, but lets not falsely accuse them where they don't deserve it. Lets stick to calling them Retards for not supporting the mac better, on Quicken.
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iBank doesn't offer true online bill pay. It only works with banks that have their own online bill pay, which uploads and downloads transactions. Big difference.
Wow, that's diligence. Thanks for the info.
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As another poster mentioned, Intuit did still make Mac versions, I think every year. They often weren't publicized, even on the box, you bought the disc and it was Win/Mac.
I also stopped using Intuit's for awhile, although the last couple years TaxCut went up in price to match, so it's easier to buy Intuit at Costco for me. I was actually surprised, the first year I went back to TurboTax, it actually worked with my TaxCut file from the previous year and imported data. I expected that to fail.
You're kidding, right?
It remains to be seen, however, whether Intuit has moved quickly enough for many users.
Moved quickly enough? They haven't done ANYTHING yet, except send out an email. Lots of room for failure here, which would be in keeping with Intuit's proven history with Mac customers. After 19 years with Quicken, I moved to iBank and really like it.
It remains to be seen, however, whether Intuit has moved quickly enough for many users.
Moved quickly enough? They haven't done ANYTHING yet, except send out an email. Lots of room for failure here, which would be in keeping with Intuit's proven history with Mac customers. After 19 years with Quicken, I moved to iBank and really like it.
Moneydance has online bill pay through the program, can download transaction data and latest stock and fund data, and imported my Quicken 2007 data nearly flawlessly. I spent a fair amount of time evaluating Quicken alternatives and Monetdance was the best, at least for me. It is the only program other than Qucken 2007 with online bill pay as far as I know.
My experiences w/Q2011 & Crossover...
Using Lion (10.7.2). On a Mac Air. Crossover Professional (10.1.1). Quicken 2011 Premier (Release R 8 20.1.8.6). Was using Snow Leopard (10.6) before that. Have Q transactions going back to 2001. Migrated from W/XP and W7 a couple years ago. Have tried iBank initially, but the version I tried was 3.5.4 (yea, relatively old). Still liked Q better for several reasons, even if in emulation mode via Crossover). iBank, in that version, wiped out my transactions in one of my banking transactions. Could have been my incorrect usage though. Ran both Q2010 and iBank in parallel for 2-3 months before going back. Do not use Q bill pay. I DO update from multiple accounts from multiple institutions (credit union, banks, credit cards (MC & Visa), as well as 401(k) and stock trades. Use scheduled transactions a lot. Crossover version prior to 10.1.1 had trouble (I think w/Wine - 10.7 actually), but it works acceptably. Have Q (& Crossover) running all the time (along w/Excel, iMail, Safari, Address book, etc, etc). Does have some trouble (wants to be the top window after coming back from Mac screensaver). Sometimes higher CPU usage, at which point I simply switch to the Q window, then back to whatever I was using. Occasionally, Wine will eat the CPU, at which point I simply quit out of both Q and Crossover, then restart (have to do maybe once per week). FWIW, I also have been using TurboTax 09, 10 & am now starting to use 11.
I don't care about all the bashing; mostly looking for useful info. I even read all these pages (!). Didn't find anything (well, not very much at all) relevant to what I currently use so decided to post this info.
Using Lion (10.7.2). On a Mac Air. Crossover Professional (10.1.1). Quicken 2011 Premier (Release R 8 20.1.8.6). Was using Snow Leopard (10.6) before that. Have Q transactions going back to 2001. Migrated from W/XP and W7 a couple years ago. Have tried iBank initially, but the version I tried was 3.5.4 (yea, relatively old). Still liked Q better for several reasons, even if in emulation mode via Crossover). iBank, in that version, wiped out my transactions in one of my banking transactions. Could have been my incorrect usage though. Ran both Q2010 and iBank in parallel for 2-3 months before going back. Do not use Q bill pay. I DO update from multiple accounts from multiple institutions (credit union, banks, credit cards (MC & Visa), as well as 401(k) and stock trades. Use scheduled transactions a lot. Crossover version prior to 10.1.1 had trouble (I think w/Wine - 10.7 actually), but it works acceptably. Have Q (& Crossover) running all the time (along w/Excel, iMail, Safari, Address book, etc, etc). Does have some trouble (wants to be the top window after coming back from Mac screensaver). Sometimes higher CPU usage, at which point I simply switch to the Q window, then back to whatever I was using. Occasionally, Wine will eat the CPU, at which point I simply quit out of both Q and Crossover, then restart (have to do maybe once per week). FWIW, I also have been using TurboTax 09, 10 & am now starting to use 11.
I don't care about all the bashing; mostly looking for useful info. I even read all these pages (!). Didn't find anything (well, not very much at all) relevant to what I currently use so decided to post this info.
Because Quicken 2007, or even 2005 or 2003, has enough accounting features for most users? At its core the thing is a balance sheet program, it keeps track of data in balance sheets and registers for various banking-related accounts. It's more than enough.
Better late than never
I for one am thankful for Quicken to make the change. I have 18 years of data that I am not willing to walk away from and have not upgraded to Lion, much to my dismay. I have looked at every single alternative financial program that I could find and hands down, none of them can do everything that Quicken 2007 can do. I felt force to wait to upgrade to Lion. I'm just hoping the new update will at least do what Q2007 does and I'll be happy. Can't wait to upgrade to Lion.
I for one am thankful for Quicken to make the change. I have 18 years of data that I am not willing to walk away from and have not upgraded to Lion, much to my dismay. I have looked at every single alternative financial program that I could find and hands down, none of them can do everything that Quicken 2007 can do. I felt force to wait to upgrade to Lion. I'm just hoping the new update will at least do what Q2007 does and I'll be happy. Can't wait to upgrade to Lion.
my 2 ¢
goodness.. what a fiasco. but using quicken is like living in america. very troubled, but i wouldn't live anywhere else.
i feel for the mutiny on the bounty folks.. the situation sucks! but i'm in total agreement with the people who say it's basically a really usable balance sheet; "new features" often lead to app-bloat; and have (ahem) 18 years! worth of data. me as well.. i'll go down with the ship.
great thread though.. lots of ideas and alternative to keep investigating.
thank all,
mazal (chicago)
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the core number crunching capability and total control over customizing is what has made me a die-hard fool.. oops, i mean fan. seriously -- for all its flaws it's a total work horse with fantastic customizable reporting and other significant features mentioned here.
goodness.. what a fiasco.
but using quicken is like living in america. very troubled, but i wouldn't live anywhere else.i feel for the mutiny on the bounty folks.. the situation sucks! but i'm in total agreement with the people who say it's basically a really usable balance sheet; "new features" often lead to app-bloat; and have (ahem) 18 years! worth of data. me as well.. i'll go down with the ship.
great thread though.. lots of ideas and alternative to keep investigating.
thank all,
mazal (chicago)
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the core number crunching capability and total control over customizing is what has made me a die-hard fool.. oops, i mean fan. seriously -- for all its flaws it's a total work horse with fantastic customizable reporting and other significant features mentioned here.
Some of us are real accountants, too.People still use Quicken? I thought everyone with a brain used a real accountant.
At home, I like the newest version of MS Office for Mac just fine. At least it still gives me a menubar, unlike the latest MS Office for Windows I'm forced to use at work.
I also use Quicken Billpay. I asked the Moneydance team if their billpay feature would connect with QB and was told that Intuit would not permit other money management apps to do so. So unless I want to abandon QB I'm stuck with QfM07 with or without the promised Lion patch. BTW--is anyone keeping count of how many promises Intuit has made to and broken to their Mac customers in the past four years
Quicken Bill Pay is the primary reason for using quicken 2010/11. I use it to transfer money between accounts and pay bills. Transfers are completed in 24 hours (faster than any bank), and bills are guaranteed to be on time.
Been using billpay since I managed an Egghead store 25 years ago (from the checkfree days).
I could not use the Mac version of quicken as it lacks the refinement of the PC version. If you think Mac quicken serves your needs just fine....you dont know what you are missing.
I can't get the numbers out of my head, so I just capitulated to my brain. Don't even bother with software for my finances, why double the work?
People ask me, "how often do you reconcile?", expecting "monthly" or "weekly". Heh, how do you say "every second" to a non-accountant?
Because I was only interested in why people would consider putting their financial data in the cloud.
I used MYOB many years ago and was not impressed with it, but maybe it's improved since then.
Diane