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Lion is terrible!
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...but Lion has awesome features like "Full-Screen Chess"
I like Snow Leopard. I'm not planning to upgrade my Mac at this time. It seemed that Lion was a lot of headache for no real gain. I don't need a historical archive of my files. When I quit a program, I don't need it to return to the exact state that it was in last time. I still use a regular mouse, so I can't use multitouch gestures.
I didn't see a need to upgrade, so it seems I don't have to worry about the headaches with Lion.
Although, $29.99 is a nice price for the upgrade and I doubt that I would downgrade if I bought a new Mac with Lion.
But right now, I'm waiting for the next big Mac upgrade. But after "Lion", I'm not sure if their are any cool cat names left. Maybe they can switch to Thundercats... Lion-O, Panthro, Cheetara... Mac OS X Cheetara... that sounds interesting. HA!
To be honest, I'm not as concerned with the problems like crashes, slowdowns, etc. that I know Apple will fix.
My big concern is the loss on functionality from Snow Leopard. I make extensive use of Snow Leopard's features of Spaces, Expose, Save As..., and Full-Screen with a 2nd monitor. Thus, Lion would be a step backwards.
Also Lion's features of Resume, Autosave, and Versions seem problematic. So I would want to be able to turn them off, and from what I've heard some of these aren't that easy to impossible to turn off.
My big concern is the loss on functionality from Snow Leopard. I make extensive use of Snow Leopard's features of Spaces, Expose, Save As..., and Full-Screen with a 2nd monitor. Thus, Lion would be a step backwards.
Also Lion's features of Resume, Autosave, and Versions seem problematic. So I would want to be able to turn them off, and from what I've heard some of these aren't that easy to impossible to turn off.
Lion is a Blunder
Lion is a Blunder
WHY NO ROSETTA?
Who ever though up this one (Lion)? Eek, eek, eek!!!!
One would have thought one was dealing with, heaven forefend, (horrors) MS! I never though I would utter these words.
If some on told me in advance, I would never have believed it. There is NO WARNING!
Word, Excel and many, many other applications absolutely will not work in Lion. This has to be the BIGGEST BLUNDER Apple have ever made! Except for one system change I have ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO USE MY OLD SOFTWARE! I simply cannot afford to "Get with the program."
Imagine my horror and consternation when I could not read a large number of Excel files hundreds and hundred of pages of Word Documents. (I am working on several books.) Are you supposed to buy a NEW MS Office? Are you supposed to laboriously transfer megabytes of data to Text edit or "Pages?"
Had I not perspicaciously made a complete back prior to installing Lion I would have lost years of data. (I always keep back ups, anyway...)
I have always been a great supporter of Apple since1987. Everything worked until now.
I was told by one of Apple's people, I forgot where, that I had to move on with the times. I can’t afford to spend 100s "upgrading." Will no longer recommend Apple until it includes "ROSETTA" and straightens out all the glitches - without having to spend hundreds. Leaving "ROSETTA" out was a VERY STUPID MISTAKE and apple has alienated every Mac owner I know.
Apple caused me a great deal of time and heartache. (By the way "numbers" is as slow as molasses and "pages" is not so hot. 2.5 stars.)
I think the "cute" itty-bitty scroll bars are terrible. Apple added a few very nice features, "air drop," for example. Leopard is fine. Leave well enough alone. Sooner or later the system will be so big there will be no room for applications!
"NEVER BE CLEVER FOR THAT SAKE OF BEING CLEVER!" That is NOT clever!!! I shall tell everyone I know not to but Lion until the situation is resolved.
WHY NO ROSETTA? Why is Apple forcing us to buy new versions of MS Office, download new drivers and printers, utilities because they were too lazy? Thank you NO! I'll stick with Leopard.
PS: AGAIN, why should anyone have to spend hundreds on memory upgrades because the software is bloated? Updating perfectly god software that has been work well for years?
Lion is a Blunder
WHY NO ROSETTA?
Who ever though up this one (Lion)? Eek, eek, eek!!!!
One would have thought one was dealing with, heaven forefend, (horrors) MS! I never though I would utter these words.
If some on told me in advance, I would never have believed it. There is NO WARNING!
Word, Excel and many, many other applications absolutely will not work in Lion. This has to be the BIGGEST BLUNDER Apple have ever made! Except for one system change I have ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO USE MY OLD SOFTWARE! I simply cannot afford to "Get with the program."
Imagine my horror and consternation when I could not read a large number of Excel files hundreds and hundred of pages of Word Documents. (I am working on several books.) Are you supposed to buy a NEW MS Office? Are you supposed to laboriously transfer megabytes of data to Text edit or "Pages?"
Had I not perspicaciously made a complete back prior to installing Lion I would have lost years of data. (I always keep back ups, anyway...)
I have always been a great supporter of Apple since1987. Everything worked until now.
I was told by one of Apple's people, I forgot where, that I had to move on with the times. I can’t afford to spend 100s "upgrading." Will no longer recommend Apple until it includes "ROSETTA" and straightens out all the glitches - without having to spend hundreds. Leaving "ROSETTA" out was a VERY STUPID MISTAKE and apple has alienated every Mac owner I know.
Apple caused me a great deal of time and heartache. (By the way "numbers" is as slow as molasses and "pages" is not so hot. 2.5 stars.)
I think the "cute" itty-bitty scroll bars are terrible. Apple added a few very nice features, "air drop," for example. Leopard is fine. Leave well enough alone. Sooner or later the system will be so big there will be no room for applications!
"NEVER BE CLEVER FOR THAT SAKE OF BEING CLEVER!" That is NOT clever!!! I shall tell everyone I know not to but Lion until the situation is resolved.
WHY NO ROSETTA? Why is Apple forcing us to buy new versions of MS Office, download new drivers and printers, utilities because they were too lazy? Thank you NO! I'll stick with Leopard.
PS: AGAIN, why should anyone have to spend hundreds on memory upgrades because the software is bloated? Updating perfectly god software that has been work well for years?
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Are you serious? Rosetta was never planned or presented as a permanent fixture in Mac OS X. It was put in place to give software developers time to migrate their application from PowerPC platform to the Intel platform. This transition started on the retail level in January 2006 but developers were made aware of this no later than the summer of 2005. That was 6 years ago.
Maybe you don't remember, but Snow Leopard did not install Rosetta by default. This was the a strong reminder that Rosetta was not a permanent solution.
This type of change in not unprecedented at Apple. Mac OS 9 apps could run on Mac OS X versions prior to Leopard. Did you freak out when Leopard came out too?
It's completely unreasonable to expect Apple or anyone else to move forward with operating system design while maintaining compatibility with older applications indefinitely. You make it sound like there is no solution to your problem. Well, there are two: 1. don't upgrade to Lion. 2. Upgrade Microsoft Office to the current version which is Lion compatible.
Jeez...
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Because developers had 5+ years to get their software onto the intel platform.
Yes it does, in fact I've not run into many applications that don't. I can say for a fact that MS office (2011) works as it shoul
Pardon my frankness, but not saving up about a 100 dollars since 2004 so that you could buy Office 2011, *that* is a blunder.
You don't even need 2011 as the 2008 version works just fine and can probably be found for less money. I'm still using the 2008 version.
I agree those complaining and whining about Rosetta have no valid reason to. It's been around for 5 years and developers/publishers have had plenty of time to update their software for the Intel platform.
As a Mac OS newbie, I am intrigued whether things are much different this time to the time when Apple released Leopard and Snow Leopard?
Was there the same wailing and gnashing of teeth then? What is so different about the move to Lion? Clearly there are always people who get left behind in some way but is it different this time? Is there a sense that Apple are moving away from the core user base in their perceived desire to merge OS X and iOS or their desire (and success) in attracting new users through the greater exposure to Apple from iPad and the iPhone?
I am actually thinking about upgrading today (my 2010 MBA is still on Snow Leopard as my NAS couldn't be used with Time Machine on Lion until I upgraded the firmware today).
Was there the same wailing and gnashing of teeth then? What is so different about the move to Lion? Clearly there are always people who get left behind in some way but is it different this time? Is there a sense that Apple are moving away from the core user base in their perceived desire to merge OS X and iOS or their desire (and success) in attracting new users through the greater exposure to Apple from iPad and the iPhone?
I am actually thinking about upgrading today (my 2010 MBA is still on Snow Leopard as my NAS couldn't be used with Time Machine on Lion until I upgraded the firmware today).
Nothing, each release of OSX produced a high level of whining. For Snow Leopard it was along the lines that not much as changed for a major upgrade (consumer facing components - a lot under the hood changed) and bugginess. Leopard had a lot of whining because of its bloated nature and initial bugs.
The two pieces of information I can offer regarding this is this.
1. Lion runs much much better with 8gb, it seems to run ok with 4gb and its slow as mud with 2gb
2. Clean install seems to offer the best odds in success and lack of problems.
Thanks for the advice. I'm on 4GB with this MBA so guess it will run OK but maybe I will wait a bit longer until more bugs are ironed out. I have no real rush to upgrade.
10.7.2 is out in the developers hands right now so hopefully a large collection of bugs will be addressed with that update.
I can understand about normal software being upgraded but what about computer games that use ppc like diablo 2 and some others or how about the software that the companies went out of business that are not upgradable but the software is great. it should have been a choice to install roseatta like it was in sl or how about not including it but if its installed from a previous install it stays but works
If us stupid bozos with our "sloppy ancient code" want Rosetta then charge us a couple extra bucks and give us our Rosetta.
The people who complain about Rosetta killing their families can shut up and those of us with expensive Rosetta software can shut up.
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It's just as much a blunder by Apple, as it is one by Microsoft for failing to update their 7-year-old Office Suite (Office 2004) to work on 64 bit Intel Macs.
Seriously?
Out of the many applications that are "broken" with the lack of Rosetta in Lion, Word and Excel make the most ridiculous (non-) argument.
You can just go out and…
- purchase Office 2011 for less than 100 bucks (Amazon).
- purchase Office 2008 second-hand for even less.
- download OpenOffice for free.
Are you seriously telling us, you can afford to buy a new Mac for hundreds if not thousands of dollars, while you cannot afford some 90 Dollars for a recent Office suite (just checked Amazon's price for Office 2011).
If not: Why upgrade to Lion?
Nobody has to "spend hundreds" on memory upgrades unless they live in a country where a hamburger and a coke run for "hundreds" in their local currency. Lion runs reasonable well with RAM that you can purchase for way less than hundred USD.
So what's the issue supposed to be?
Just don't update perfectly good softwarethat has been working well for you.
In this case: Don't update the friggin' operating system!
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The Japanese have this lovely concept called "Kaizen".
Read about it and you will realize there's no such thing as "perfectly good software".
I liked SL much better. I need nothing that Lion offers (apart from their version of cut n paste). It actually made my mac less fun to use.
The worst part is that i loose my internet randomly and need to restart, and internet sharing stops working randomly. Typing password and "cant connect to xxx".
The worst part is that i loose my internet randomly and need to restart, and internet sharing stops working randomly. Typing password and "cant connect to xxx".
Problems:
iTunes decides to not play songs from time to time
Internet decides to f off from time to time
Sound from online video decides to take a hike from time to time
Video in full screen mode is laggy as trying to play CS: S on a dial up connection
Animations such as launch pad are slow to load
The biggest problem with Lion is its unfriendly nature towards older laptops. I have a 2GB 2007 MBP. So things like AirDrop don't work even though it was not stated by apple.
I was in love with my Mac until now
iTunes decides to not play songs from time to time
Internet decides to f off from time to time
Sound from online video decides to take a hike from time to time
Video in full screen mode is laggy as trying to play CS: S on a dial up connection
Animations such as launch pad are slow to load
The biggest problem with Lion is its unfriendly nature towards older laptops. I have a 2GB 2007 MBP. So things like AirDrop don't work even though it was not stated by apple.
I was in love with my Mac until now
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It sounds like your mac is possessed, perhaps a seance will get it back in working order? Jokes aside, lion runs flawlessly for me so perhaps the hardware?
It sounds like your mac is possessed, perhaps a seance will get it back in working order? Jokes aside, lion runs flawlessly for me so perhaps the hardware?
Yeah it is a hardware issue I only have 2GB. If I restart my laptop is fine. I can't wait till 7.2.