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I do wish that Lion's new APIs for Autosave,Resume,Versions etc. were more widely utilized by 3rd party developers by now, 'Automatic Termination' especially. The inconsistency of some apps working the new and most other apps still working the old way is a bit annoying.

Not really. If Office 2011 didn't have the normal peoples' Save As I wouldn't be using Lion at all. I have no use Lion's features like Versions, Resume, lock files all over the place, much slower response and goofy animations.

FileVault2 encrypted Lion on my 2008 uMBP blew up. . . no restore partition, no recognition of its Time Machine back up of the night before.

One thing good about upgrading a lot of hard drives is that I end up with lots of old installations frozen in time. I cloned a Snow Leopard installation from the previous HD and updated the OS and applications. Then I updated email and data from my desktop.

Man is Snow Leopard nice. No stupid animations, grey icons or slow application opening time. I do miss Lion's fully adjustable windows, deeper window shadows and auto logon when I hit Starbucks but I'd rather have simplicity and performance.

My 2.66GHz mini running Lion feels like a lump compared to the 2.4GHz MBP on Snow Leopard. Both have WD 750GB 7200RPM drives, 8GB of OWC RAM and run Nvidia 9400M GPUs. They're about as matched as they can be.

I'm hoping that Mountain Lion offers some SL-like performance and a refinement of Lion's iOS characteristics.
 
I use to be a big SL person but i think i've since adapted to Lion and quite enjoy it now especially with the latest 10.7.4 build. Granted i made a few tweaks but the OS is largely vanilla.

Reinstalled SL the other day and i didn't miss it as much as i thought i would. Besides sticking with SL is not a long term solution. You'll be forced to upgrade sooner or later when software (and hardware) start becoming Lion exclusive.

*shrug*
 
Besides sticking with SL is not a long term solution. You'll be forced to upgrade sooner or later when software (and hardware) start becoming Lion exclusive.

*shrug*

You're right about that. Yesterday I decided to try SkyDrive. It looks like a great service that has some advantages over iCloud for data files. Not that dragging files between Mac and Windows drives is hard I would just like to try having them appear in the SkyDrive folder automatically..

My luck, SkyDrive for Mac is only available for Lion! Thanks Microsoft.
 
You're right about that. Yesterday I decided to try SkyDrive. It looks like a great service that has some advantages over iCloud for data files. Not that dragging files between Mac and Windows drives is hard I would just like to try having them appear in the SkyDrive folder automatically..

My luck, SkyDrive for Mac is only available for Lion! Thanks Microsoft.

That's odd, I have had Skydrive for a few years. When I first got it, I was using Tiger. I just checked to see if it is still available with Leopard, and they let me upgrade from 7 Gb to 25, still free.

edit Ok it is the Skydrive app that is for Lion only.
 
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My comments are inline.

- Quicklook previews in Stacks and Spotlight, Drag&Drop support in spotlight, Quicklook previews for web pages, addresses, etc. in Mail This is good, great job Apple
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- being Apple to do a Spotlight search for content in "unsaved" documents
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- not having to worry about apps crashing, since all windows, including "unsaved" documents will automatically be restored Not exactly...if Photoshop crashes I still lose my progress if it's unsaved. That's the only app I care about.
- having apps restored to their former state after a restart - especially useful when system updates requiring a reboot are released, or when I switch between different operating systems. NO NO NO. I hate Resume, it lags my Mac like crazy. Having 20+ apps open on startup is not the way to go.
- being able to quit apps without losing open documents or making decisions about saving or not saving changes in documents I always save it myself, 'cos that's how all other OS work (quit, -do you want to save bla bla?-, yes, no, cancel)
- generally not having to care about whether documents have been saved or not (more or less wysiwyg with regard to the document you see and the corresponding file on disk) Not really sure what you mean.
- being able to compare parts of a document to other parts from older versions of the file/ being able to copy snippets between different versions back and forth / being able to restore a former version without ever having to manually save or take care of versioning Only in supported apps, which I don't use much (plus Versions is a fail for me)
- apps like Preview, Quicktime, Textedit and Automator automatically terminating themselves when there are no more windows open (with the process hanging around so that the app can be quickly restarted) - doesn't really take up that much RAM though...Lion's bloatness is not because of this
- Safari's "Web Content" process automatically terminating itself shortly after there are no more Safari windows open (might be in SL as well) - I believe it is
- having the last-used documents shown when performing the four-fingered "app exposé" gesture over a Dock icon, regardless of whether the app is running or not (i also use this all the time with the Screen Sharing app to start a VNC session with a particular computer) - oh wow I didn't know about this, my bad. This is good.
- fullscreen apps for when I want to keep all distractions away Don't need this.
- hidden scrollbars resulting in a cleaner UI with fewer distractions, and more space for content Only makes sense on laptop though.
- reversed scroll direction (seems logical and natural to use to me) Absolutely.........and absolutely not. With a trackpad = YES. With a mouse = NO. This is not a flight simulator.
- multiple desktops with different desktop backgrounds and gestures for switching between them and fullscreen apps Hyperspaces does this on SL, for the rest, BTTool
- four-finger tapping to switch between the last used desktops or last-used full-screen apps (requires terminal "hack")
- windows that are shown in their correct size relative to each other in MC (unlike in SL's version of Exposé) But you can get Leopard's Expose on SL...which is relative (I don't like this, personally)
- app icons for easier identification of a set of windows in MC No birds-eye view, though (birds eye view is when you invoke Spaces then Expose, so you can see EVERY window on your desktop, then you can move/go to that window)
- ability to easily pick out windows of an app with few windows open among apps with many windows open (I always have tons of Safari windows open which makes it harder to find other apps' windows in SL's Exposé) - this is why you use bird's eye view
- Seamless Full Disk Encryption - I don't use it, but I'm sure it's a welcome addition.
- swiping to go back and forth in Safari, pinching to zoom in - I use Firefox, and with BTT, the same effect works with no time wasted on pointless animations.
- pinch out gesture to show the Desktop Press F11, much quicker and no awkward motion needed.
- Ability to quickly duplicate an open document (I also assigned a keyboard shortcut to the menu entry) - Save As......? Seriously, Duplicate is terrible compared to save as.
- improved search / search tokens in Mail It's funny because it's slower to search through my 8000 messages on Lion than SL...maybe it's just me
- Grouping files, especially grouping by type or date, in Finder - This is amazing. I cringe every time I'm on SL and it doesn't have this. Can't live without it.
- Favorites bar in Mail with keyboard shortcut access to individual folders (Cmd-1/2/3…) - Don't use it
- Full-screen Preview !! (awesome for distractionless reading as well as annotating PDFs or sorting through pictures) - I always use my Preview without full-screen, bad habits? haha
- Full-screen screen sharing (why is this only now possible?! )
- Full-screen terminal :) - Not really important.
- Resize windows from any side (can't believe how often I use that now – Apple was simply wrong about this one before) They were, but I hardly ever resize windows anymore. BTT -> activate 'Windows 7' window snapping. Done. Now that's something I can't believe Apple never had out of the box.
 
yeah full screen terminal is great... are we joking here?

Snow lion is the last stable and robust os from apple. Lion is a fancy joke and if it handn't been for icloud, no one would have upgraded anyway. Too bad ios is taking so much dev focus away from os x, it shows. Lion is broken, it's system hog, it's buggy, and it's very unreliable and slugish in terms of memory and general resouce management. Memory leaks in safari, crashes in preview, broken compatibilities, smb shares problems, you name it.

And let me not go into some of the ui choices, I 've written sheets of posts here about these, autosaves, versions, duplicates, auto quitting, ios looking garbage in ical and contacts, grey sidebars where user customized folder turn generic grey as well, shut windows popping back up... a load of horse manure imho opinion. And that wouldn't be THAT much of problem if the os in general seemed responsive and robust, and it simply isn't.

Stick with sl, lion is apple's vista.
 
I got Lion on the release date, my MacBook really did not like it. My MacBook and I are a lot happier now that I did a clean install of Snow Leopard.

Lion has some cool new stuff I guess, but my computer was probably too old to really run it efficiently.
 
Snow lion is the last stable and robust os from apple. Lion is a fancy joke and if it handn't been for icloud, no one would have upgraded anyway. Too bad ios is taking so much dev focus away from os x, it shows. Lion is broken, it's system hog, it's buggy, and it's very unreliable and slugish in terms of memory and general resouce management. Memory leaks in safari, crashes in preview, broken compatibilities, smb shares problems, you name it.

Thats why Apple is releasing Mountain Lion and even letting people preview it. They know they screwed up and building hype for their next OS will supposedly fix everything.
 
Memory leaks in safari, crashes in preview, broken compatibilities, smb shares problems, you name it.
I've got a linux file server that exposes samba shares. Do you mean Lion has problems mounting them? That would be a problem because my music collection is accessed through one of these shares. Thx.
 
I've got a linux file server that exposes samba shares. Do you mean Lion has problems mounting them? That would be a problem because my music collection is accessed through one of these shares. Thx.

I've not had any problems accessing smb shares on my linux NAS. But I haven't really had any other problems he mentioned either besides increased RAM use, and that I really only notice because my Macbook Air has just 2GB of RAM so there's some additional disk space being chewed up by swap files.
 
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I've not had any problems accessing smb shares on my linux NAS. But I haven't really had any other problems he mentioned either besides increased RAM use, and that I really only notice because my Macbook Air has just 2GB of RAM so there's some additional disk space being chewed up by swap files.

It's slow even with 4GB......SL never behaved like this. Maybe my Mac just wasn't meant to run Lion (it's a 2009 model). I'll stick to the 'memory management sucks' argument, though.
 
Reading one of the threads I posted below reminded me of mail.app becoming a system halting memory hoag (swap hoag too) in one of my systems quite frequently, so I should add that too, last page of the apple thread someone goes into it in detail.

@astro you VE gotten it wrong, the cause and the effect. You don't notice it because you "only" (btw a few years ago it used to be more than plenty in os x with the same usages...) have 2 gbs of ram, which calls for more swapping. You notice it because of worse memory management causes page outs. Also some people have noticed that lion does a poor job of releasing and allocating inactive ram and resorts to pageing, even doing so when there's free ram too.

You might want to read these:
http://workstuff.tumblr.com/post/20464780085/something-is-deeply-broken-in-os-x-memory-management
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3193912?start=765&tstart=0

I've got a linux file server that exposes samba shares. Do you mean Lion has problems mounting them? That would be a problem because my music collection is accessed through one of these shares. Thx.
I noticed that third party smb mounting apps on the iPad are wayyyyy faster in accessing smb shares in my local network than lion. Lion also cannot search smb shares via the finder and apparently apple refuses to address this and are stonewalling everyone about it with their tech support doing their best to come up with one bs excuse after the other on why this is the case.

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It's slow even with 4GB......SL never behaved like this. Maybe my Mac just wasn't meant to run Lion (it's a 2009 model). I'll stick to the 'memory management sucks' argument, though.

Apparently my 2 month old 4gb ram mac mini that came with lion wasn't meant to run lion either....sadly...:(
 
Have 3 iMac's and a whitebook all updated to Lion on day one. Haven't had a problem on any of the computers with respect to networking using a 20MB service and an Airport Express for a router. Don't really care for Launchpad or Mission Control and would definitely like to have my SL spaces back. Also, wish Apple didn't do away with Rosetta to run Quicken. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with Lion and will probably move along to ML when it come out.

Upgrading to the newest OS has just become a part of my Mac experience since I made the switch in '05.


Nano
 
It's slow even with 4GB......SL never behaved like this. Maybe my Mac just wasn't meant to run Lion (it's a 2009 model). I'll stick to the 'memory management sucks' argument, though.

No trust me my early 2011 mac book pro 13 inch lags where as in on snow leopard it never did,So I reinstalled snow leopard to upgrade:D
 
No trust me my early 2011 mac book pro 13 inch lags where as in on snow leopard it never did,So I reinstalled snow leopard to upgrade:D

First thing I'm going to do on Monday, after I clear all this workload. I don't care if I lose some features, like iCloud, this sluggishness is unbearable.
 
No trust me my early 2011 mac book pro 13 inch lags where as in on snow leopard it never did,So I reinstalled snow leopard to upgrade:D

Yep, exactly the same for me. My early 2011 MBP became slower to boot and there was even a slight delay in opening apps, which wasn't there in SL.
 
No trust me my early 2011 mac book pro 13 inch lags where as in on snow leopard it never did,So I reinstalled snow leopard to upgrade:D

My 2010 MBP, if anything, seems to run slightly better on Lion 10.7.3 than 10.6.8. Things like the animation for App Exposé with lots of windows is much smoother than before.

The rest of the system is lag-free as well, but that might have something to do with the SSD I'm using. Booting might be a second or two slower (without taking Resume into account), but I can live with that.

I have to admit though that 10.7.3 specifically was quite an improvement compared to previous versions. Whoever has only tried Lion pre 10.7.3 might want to give it another try.
 
My 2010 MBP, if anything, seems to run slightly better on Lion 10.7.3 than 10.6.8. Things like the animation for App Exposé with lots of windows is much smoother than before.

The rest of the system is lag-free as well, but that might have something to do with the SSD I'm using. Booting might be a second or two slower (without taking Resume into account), but I can live with that.

I have to admit though that 10.7.3 specifically was quite an improvement compared to previous versions. Whoever has only tried Lion pre 10.7.3 might want to give it another try.

As a matter of fact, I concur... I have a 2010 MBP with an SSD, and animations are a tad better on Lion than Snowy, with the exception of Mission Control having to display tons of windows.

However the features on Lion are still a turn-off...
 
Upgraded to Snow Leopard.

Computer: 2010 Core 2 DUO Macbook Pro 13, 8gb RAM, 512 SSD.

1. I upgraded to Lion first day it came out.
2. Had to perform a zero-out format and clean install afterwards because of MAJOR problems.
3. Ran on Lion fine, there has been more crashes than SL but not enough to bother me. Only problem was had to upgrade to parallels 7 because Lion was incompatible with 6.
4. Ran Lion for a little less than 10 months.
5. Yesterday, decided to switch back to SL due to these reasons:

I don't use many of the new functions offered:
- iCloud (paranoid I guess, but bottom line is I don't like my data on someone else's server and only 10 years down the line to find out that Apple has been conducting "research" on their consumers about their habits through what they store/save/or plan)
- Launchpad (looks cool, but not functional because it requires more movement to get to where I am going)
- and MANY MORE.

Lion 10.7.3 was just slower for me over time. I thought it was faster at first, but it appears to be loading more into RAM up front in attempt to make things run more efficient. What ended happening is more power consumption and not much performance to be shown for it. Don't get me wrong, I bet most people using my mac (with 8gb ram and SSD) would appreciate the performance I was getting, but remember that you would be upset too if you even noticed a "small" decrease in overall system speed. Now if Lion provided some obscenely awesome application or function (Airdrop was close but no cigar) then I would sacrifice for the performance.

6. So after I reinstalled SL (after zero out format, TRIM, updating whatever SL needed upgraded and installing all of parallels with nLited XP Black, CS5, office 2011, etc) I realized how much I missed my fan not going off every hour or so if I even open one video intensive app.

The only problem is that Apple doesn't seem to be too friendly to developers on SL. You have to download Xcode 4.3 for SL. (How much Xcode has decreased in quality is another discussion).

Overall, I am extremely happy returning to SL and so is my Mac.
 
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Computer: 2010 Core 2 DUO Macbook Pro 13, 8gb RAM, 512 SSD.

1. I upgraded to Lion first day it came out.
2. Had to perform a zero-out format and clean install afterwards because of MAJOR problems.
3. Ran on Lion fine, there has been more crashes than SL but not enough to bother me. Only problem was had to upgrade to parallels 7 because Lion was incompatible with 6.
4. Ran Lion for a little less than 10 months.
5. Yesterday, decided to switch back to SL due to these reasons:

...

Overall, I am extremely happy returning to SL and so is my Mac.

Wow, this sounds like me. I've been using Lion since the first DP, then I decided to go back to SL because it was buggy. But then as soon as the gold version hit, I upgraded and never looked back. I thought I was following the natural course - when a new OS is released, most people generally upgrade.

I was happy with Lion - it was decent, I never had any WiFi problems. Mission Control took a while to get used to, but it wasn't the worse thing ever. The lack of all windows Exposé, however, was. But alas, time to move on, and I forgot all about it.

Then, after about 8 months, I start to fire up some VMs, 'cos I needed to run Windows, and noticed how slow it was. I thought it was because I didn't have enough free space, so I went ahead and deleted some files. No go. Then I start reading all the complaints with Lion that people had - battery lasting less, terrible RAM management, lack of Exposé/Spaces which JUST WORKED (Mission Control is a disaster for more than 4+ desktops, I tried it).

And then I decided to downgrade, in early March of this year. I stayed with SL for two weeks, but it felt awkward, 'cos I was used to the whole gestures and MC with Lion. Plus, iCloud and iMessages. I thought: 'wow, I need iCloud!' so I decided to do a zero-out and install Lion CLEAN.

First day, it was much faster. Wow, a clean install worked wonders. But over time, it started to page out my RAM. I used Lion for around a month (end of March - end of April). I tried disabling dynamic_pager, that worked, but then as soon as the Mac started to have very little free RAM, it would freeze temporarily. Nah, that's not good enough.

Back to Snow Leopard - and can you believe it, everything just works: longer battery performance (and mine already has 1,015 cicles - it lasted 1h to 1h30 on Lion, on SL it's over 2h), Spaces/Exposé again (rejoice!), decent RAM management. I'm a happy camper.

My Mac is a 13" mid-2009 model, 2.26 Ghz with 4 GB RAM. I might upgrade to ML this summer, but I'll need 8 GB and A LOT of patience.
 
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