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I don't think this for sure, but I feel Tim Cook, is a just better guy than Jobs was.

And I honestly think Cook is a genius in his own right.


Of course we know little about Cook, other than his carefully prepared statements and controlled interviews, so that's a caution as far as drawing conclusions about his personal life, even as Jobs significant interpersonal pathologies are well known. As far as "genius," he's clearly a bright guy, and very capable, but nothing to indicate he's a "genius" in any category.
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She's also an ass for being ungrateful having Steve Jobs as a Dad even if he's not an ideal Dad. Steve financially supports through her life even her mom (who even have a guts to ask to buy them a house) Hey Lisa, take a look at MANY irresponsible parents around the world especially those parents who are financially incapable of raising a child (can't give enough food, proper shelter and education) but keeps making more and more babies. Just be grateful that you grow-up making your own path and dreams with no financial trouble.


You're wrong that he supported her "through her life."' He denied paternity and left her and her mother without financial support during crucial years of her life. There is much to admire about his life, but also some very dark and disturbing aspects:

"Lisa was born in May 1978. Jobs, who had launched Apple and was already wealthy, would give his daughter’s name to one of Apple’s first personal computers. Yet he went to great lengths to deny paternity for more than two years, while Brennan cleaned houses, waited tables, and went on welfare. At one point, Jobs even swore in a signed court document that he couldn’t be Lisa’s father because he was “sterile and infertile,” and lacked “the physical capacity to procreate a child.” (He had three more children after marrying Powell in 1991.)

After a lawsuit forced Jobs to take a paternity test, leading to a court order to provide child support and reimburse the state for its welfare costs, Jobs began paying $500 a month. Apple went public a month later, giving Jobs a personal net worth of more than $225 million. While Jobs rarely visited his daughter for years, bought a mansion, and drove a Mercedes, Brennan struggled to make ends meet."
 
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Many don't put parental/family bonds in the same category as "paying the bills"... "normal" folks don't worry about "paying the bills" (in a real sense... more a first world keeping up with the neighbors, having the 2nd SUV... part of the value issues America has today).

Case in point... the unhappiest time of my life was during the dot-com boom while having a net worth in the low 8 figures...
Shame you couldn't enjoy it!
 
I could see Jobs not wanting to pay money to the money grabbing wife but he could of set up something to help out Lisa.
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They could rent others have and still do.


Steve wasn't a people person whether work colleagues or family.
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Most fathers support their kids by putting a roof over their heads. What's wrong with the mother demanding Steve cough up his responsibility, especially as he had squirreled away a few bucks.
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Money can't buy happiness but I'd rather be an unhappy billionaire than an unhappy poor person.
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He was a deadbeat dad.
 
Jobs is one of the stingiest man out there. Apple as a company inherited that gene as well, sitting at the very bottom for charity work across the globe. It is a shame Jobs has such a small heart and vision driven by greed. His treatment of his child reflects his true nature as a human being, not a tech person: cold, indifferent, greedy to the core, all of which he must have truly believed was what made his success. Not a fan of him and Apple. Long Live Bill Gates!
 
I disagree just because you were married to a women doesn't mean you owe them the rest of your life.
After the divorce she should be on her own.
He went through the courts and they told him what to pay Steve did nothing wrong.
If I married a rich lady should she have to support me for the rest of my life with a nice house and cars?

That's what deadbeat dads are meant to do. Jobs was a utter scumbag the way he treated this girl and her mother.
 
People are very complex. It's probably quite often that someone who does amazing things in the world of business has a pretty awful personal life back at home. Most of the time, the public just isn't made aware of it.

I can easily see how the opposite tends to told true, as well. If you're a great parent, involved heavily with raising your kids? You very likely lack the physical or mental energy to do outstanding, "world changing" things in the workplace. At some point, it's just impossible for one person to do it all. Society's expectations are that you do a "good" job at both, making it a balancing act. And most of us strive to do just that. It's a good compromise ... but let's face it. It's usually the people who go to the extremes, one way or the other, who really make a lasting mark.


Steve was a jerk. Brilliant man, but he obviously had some serious issues going on. I wonder if he regretted decisions he made later in life.
 
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Yeah... well, Bill Gates is the one who probably did far more damage with his ideas of help. You can thank the Gates foundation for this awful Common Core math they've pushed into all the public schools, for example. He kept throwing billions of dollars into what were just experiments of his in changing K-12 education. So a whole generation of students were used as lab rats for his ideas, which often netted poor results.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-education-initiative-failure-2018-6



Jobs is one of the stingiest man out there. Apple as a company inherited that gene as well, sitting at the very bottom for charity work across the globe. It is a shame Jobs has such a small heart and vision driven by greed. His treatment of his child reflects his true nature as a human being, not a tech person: cold, indifferent, greedy to the core, all of which he must have truly believed was what made his success. Not a fan of him and Apple. Long Live Bill Gates!
 
I disagree just because you were married to a women doesn't mean you owe them the rest of your life.
After the divorce she should be on her own.
He went through the courts and they told him what to pay Steve did nothing wrong.
If I married a rich lady should she have to support me for the rest of my life with a nice house and cars?
Seems like you're trying to rationalize his actions because it was Steve Jobs himself. That guy is a class #1 scumbag for failing to provide for the mother and daughter. There's no other way to view this.
 
Steve is a person that I am so torn on. In 6th grade, my passion for technology grew, learning how to fix and repair the OS and hardware of macs. I was supported by my English teacher and my father at home in this passion.

Through the years, my admiration for Jobs grew. I almost idolized him every time he gave one of his classic keynotes. I would speak for hours a week to my father about technology and all the things I was learning.

I went off to college and studied computers as well. I remember receiving the CNN news alert on my iPhone as I arrived back to my apartment from one of my classes on a cold October evening that SJ had passed away. I was shocked and deeply sadden. I think I started to admire him even more at this point after learning of his passing.

Of course I bought SJ's biography when it came out. Wow, that was an eye opener. I still haven't finished it to this day. Hearing how brutal SJ was, ruined my perception of him and in a way, almost shook my foundation. I still want to finish the book and also read Lisa's book one day.

Anyways, I got a job at Microsoft. According to SJ's famous quote on Microsoft, I have no taste but I feel like I've finally found my way, rather than following him. I've learned to separate the man from the business man.

You followed your muse, rather than relying on the unfulfilling trap of following a "role model." The path of using someone else's life to guide your own is a useless trap. There is nothing wrong with admiring others for their contributions, acumen, and other positive attributes, but ultimately we must all become individuals to achieve true happiness. Sadly, there are a vast many who never figure it out.

I never understood the point of "role models", and never will. The admiration of specific deeds and achievements? Sure, but to use someone else's life, regardless of how it's perceived, to utterly and completely guide actions, attitude, and activity? No way.
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Woz's book was somewhat whitewashed, but you could still imagine the true Steve Jobs in that book. I have had "On the Firing Line" by Gil Amelio in my to-read list for some time, I wonder if it will speak to Jobs' personal life as well.

I won't give anything away, but you'll find the entire Next/Apple deal quite interesting. Just remember that the book is only Gil's perspective, and the cliche' that the truth is always somewhere in the middle applies...

... and that the utter tripe that was Kutcher's Jobs movie was completely inaccurate (read: Hollywood-ed up) as to Gil's departure from the company...
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Yeah... well, Bill Gates is the one who probably did far more damage with his ideas of help. You can thank the Gates foundation for this awful Common Core math they've pushed into all the public schools, for example. He kept throwing billions of dollars into what were just experiments of his in changing K-12 education. So a whole generation of students were used as lab rats for his ideas, which often netted poor results.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-education-initiative-failure-2018-6

Yep. Let's take math and make it unnecessarily complicated for the sake of... what? I had a very hard time helping my son with his homework because of that garbage, due to the simple, "get to the answer" methods that I was taught.
 
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You followed your muse, rather than relying on the unfulfilling trap of following a "role model." The path of using someone else's life to guide your own is a useless trap. There is nothing wrong with admiring others for their contributions, acumen, and other positive attributes, but ultimately we must all become individuals to achieve true happiness. Sadly, there are a vast many who never figure it out.

I never understood the point of "role models", and never will. The admiration of specific deeds and achievements? Sure, but to use someone else's life, regardless of how it's perceived, to utterly and completely guide actions, attitude, and activity? No way.
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I won't give anything away, but you'll find the entire Next/Apple deal quite interesting. Just remember that the book is only Gil's perspective, and the cliche' that the truth is always somewhere in the middle applies...

... and that the utter tripe that was Kutcher's Jobs movie was completely inaccurate (read: Hollywood-ed up) as to Gil's departure from the company...
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Yep. Let's take math and make it unnecessarily complicated for the sake of... what? I had a very hard time helping my son with his homework because of that garbage, due to the simple, "get to the answer" methods that I was taught.
Here's the math lessons I had. Rote. The nuns that taught me would beat the holy hell out of you if you could not do times and division tables by recitation. 50 years later... guess what? I'm still faster in my head than anyone using their calc function. Ten doesn't care if its your friend.
 
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Here's the math lessons I had. Rote. I'm still faster in my head than anyone using their calc function. Ten doesn't care if its your friend.

Whether we like it or not, Rote, is the way of learning for somethings in our early life. Gets too tough in later years.

Times table, the English alphabet, early biology are some examples. Times table should be taught in the logical manner, but teachers and parents don't know how, or go by how they learned them. Worse, they don't trust kids to learn them any other way.

Better languages are taught with vowels and consonants separately, and using phonetics - completely lacking in English. Rote is the only way to know that sequence.
 
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Jobs was a genius, but let's not pretend Tim Cook was just along for the ride. Dude is an absolute business beast. Unapologetically brutal in negotiation and squeezing suppliers, hard. Design is pretty much dominated by Jony and many of the old ideas around iPhone have changed...screen size, software methodology, hardware like FaceID, and a bigger push toward services.

Jobs had great ideas, but I don't think he executed as well as Cook does and/or Cook was the brains behind execution. Jobs was stubborn too. No iPhone bigger than 4 inches? Cook fixed that. I think Cook is a better leader...tough, but not a jerk...at least not all the time.

People want the next "big" idea from Apple, but I'd argue they are already doing that in the transformation of iPhone, the introduction of the services model, and even hardware like Watch, AirPods, and even potentially a foray into cars.

Let's not forget iPhone is on a completely different level than it was in the Jobs era. Apple sells 3X as many iPhones as before, at higher prices. That doesn't just happen.

I totally agree with you on the Tim part.
 
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Very True. Reading many books on Steve including the official bio, it was clear he was always bitter towards being adopted especially early on. Maybe it was his way of sadly "paying someone back" for he himself not being wanted by his biological parents. Amazing yet no surprise how things that happen so early in life have a lasting impact.

Makes me think when I hear and see the things parents say and do around their children how negatively it will impact them later. In the big picture there are millions of people (who aren't necessarily bad people) who have no business being parents. For example Steve was a genius with products but clearly had a lot to be desired in the parenting department.

Very well said. Thank-you for sharing your thoughts on this.
 
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She's also an ass for being ungrateful having Steve Jobs as a Dad even if he's not an ideal Dad. Steve financially supports through her life even her mom (who even have a guts to ask to buy them a house) Hey Lisa, take a look at MANY irresponsible parents around the world especially those parents who are financially incapable of raising a child (can't give enough food, proper shelter and education) but keeps making more and more babies. Just be grateful that you grow-up making your own path and dreams with no financial trouble.

I think you’re being a bit hasty here. Steve Jobs was just a few months older than me.

I grew up in foster homes as my Dad abandoned a wife and two children, with one on the way two weeks later and we NEVER heard from him again. Everyone reacts differently to these kinds of pain in their lives.

She has no control over this issue. Allow her to deal with these issues in her terms, it’s her reality that was affected.

Our reality was very harsh and exacted a very high price.
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Sad for her treatment, for sure. I'd be happy for her if that tumultuous situation in life growing up didn't warrant needing a book sale to find peace. Note the author retains the hyphenated last name, so that seems to be working out well at least...

People write books about their life experiences every day, it’s not always about the money
 
Oh get off the bitter pill already. She nothing special, almost everybody in the world has a parent that mess them up one way or the other. That's why they invented therapy and death bed confessions. Where you apologize to children your wronged. Nobody will ever remember Steve Jobs as a warm and fuzzy guy. You're going to mess up your children and they are going to mess up there's. That how the world works. You don't see perfect families unless it was from a 80's sitcom. Just go live off your inheritance and keep see that therapists every week like ever other normal person.
 
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Bottom line... Steve Jobs was a dick.

Yes, as are most driven, genius visionaries. You can't achieve the things that man achieved in the short amount of time that he achieved them if you're busy being a great father and husband. There has to be a cut-throat, obsessive personality inside of you in order to get there.
 
I think to get the context right it's important to read Chrisann Brennan's letter to Jobs that she had voluntarily shared with Fortune:
https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/chrisann-letter.pdf

The tone and phrasing of the letter is simply incredible. She is not asking for help, she demands Jobs to make her super-rich by giving her $25M -- and even demands that he would give it 'as a present'. Why? Because she raised their child and 'has never turned Lisa against him'.

All gives us a hint on what was happening with them. Obviously Chrisann and Lisa couldn't handle the fact that Jobs became rich, and couldn't stop seeing him as a missed opportunity to become rich as well. We can guess that this kind of attitude had pushed Steve away a lot. Eventually he gave them money, bought house and cars, payed for Lisa's education, but this never was enough. And even after his passing these people who haven't done anything worth aknowledging still want to have another bite of his fame and wealth.
 
I'm afraid I came across a similar personality to Steve Jobs when ironically working for a startup.

He was incredibly charming, design orientated, and thought he could walk on water with his charm.

On a dime, he could switch to be incredibly nasty, manipulative, condescending.

When you are in his spotlight you can bask on his charm, but the nastiness will erupt as soon as you have feel out of use to him.

There are a fair number of such individuals in the work place --- irrespective if startup, charity, corporate, government -- in government, so long not politician, occasionally these personalities can be held in check by good HR policies.

In the startup I was in it flunked -- probably due to location (being in SV can make a difference with the connections), and the CEO burnt far too many bridges with talented employees (he saw them as commodities to be rough-housed).

TL;DR: Steve Job's type of personalities are pervasive -- there were circumstances of being in right place/time that he could leverage to thrust himself to the top which the other 'Steve Job's' did not have.
 
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