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I am getting tired of this woman already, and I have not read any of the relevant books.

I don't approve of Job's parenting (as described) at all, but that is besides the point - we know he was a jerk. And, that he made so many stupid decisions that literally killed him too soon, especially considering how much health care he had access to, as a rich man. Almost like a death-wish, and pancreatic cancer is a death sentence even in this decade.

She couldn't have written such a book when he was alive, I understand that dilemma.

The picture she is painting of herself now is that of a very sore winner, bitter even after this many years. Her claim of having forgiven him to heal herself sounds false, as she seems to be still whining. I doubt he can defend or explain his behavior if he was alive, but now that that chapter is closed, what is her end-game here!
I am only guessing obviously, but I would say she wrote it to be cleansing for her and for closure
She obviously didn't write for you, but for herself to unload the burden she carried
 
As a non-american person, although a long time consumer of pop american culture, I think Jobs depicts a lot of the american spirit. That is, in Brazil, parents usually provide a lot of financial support until someone reach his/her 30s, sometimes providing a more lasting support, for the entire parent's life, or at least while a parent is richer than his offspring. Avoiding paying the bill is something that I just can imagine from my knowledge of pop american culture (movies, series and social networking stories), but it's totally unacceptable from a brazilian point of view. My father, even considering my wage is pretty similar compared to his one, insists on paying the bill when we go to a restaurant or something alike. It's something like saying "I'm still your father and I'll take care of you as long as I can (hopefully you'll do the same later to me and to your offspring)".
 
She sure doesn't look like a joy filled person in that photo. Ok we get it, your Dad was a jerk. We think so too. But he changed the world and you don't ever have to worry about paying another bill ever in your life. Get over it.

She's also an ass for being ungrateful having Steve Jobs as a Dad even if he's not an ideal Dad. Steve financially supports through her life even her mom (who even have a guts to ask to buy them a house) Hey Lisa, take a look at MANY irresponsible parents around the world especially those parents who are financially incapable of raising a child (can't give enough food, proper shelter and education) but keeps making more and more babies. Just be grateful that you grow-up making your own path and dreams with no financial trouble.

I’m wondering what on earth happened in your lives to make you think money can substitute for parental love.
 
Steve is a person that I am so torn on. In 6th grade, my passion for technology grew, learning how to fix and repair the OS and hardware of macs. I was supported by my English teacher and my father at home in this passion.

Through the years, my admiration for Jobs grew. I almost idolized him every time he gave one of his classic keynotes. I would speak for hours a week to my father about technology and all the things I was learning.

I went off to college and studied computers as well. I remember receiving the CNN news alert on my iPhone as I arrived back to my apartment from one of my classes on a cold October evening that SJ had passed away. I was shocked and deeply sadden. I think I started to admire him even more at this point after learning of his passing.

Of course I bought SJ's biography when it came out. Wow, that was an eye opener. I still haven't finished it to this day. Hearing how brutal SJ was, ruined my perception of him and in a way, almost shook my foundation. I still want to finish the book and also read Lisa's book one day.

Anyways, I got a job at Microsoft. According to SJ's famous quote on Microsoft, I have no taste but I feel like I've finally found my way, rather than following him. I've learned to separate the man from the business man.
 
I am only guessing obviously, but I would say she wrote it to be cleansing for her and for closure
She obviously didn't write for you, but for herself to unload the burden she carried

"Her claim of having forgiven him to heal herself sounds false, as she seems to be still whining."
 
I meant prick, those asterisks cost money you know!

Jony Ive would approve of using less pixels than would otherwise make something more instantly intuitive. Two pixels was much less cluttered than how it would’ve looked with three. After all, users no longer need gingerbread affordances like that.
 
weird you'd reply talking about products...when this book and post are clearly about the human side of the Jobs family. products come and go. replaced and retired. but familial bonds are forever.

If you think my post was just about the products I mentioned you totally missed the point. I was essentially talking about relationships. The book is reportedly (at least partly) about a daughter and the relationship with her father. As a customer of Apple, I relate to Jobs through his work, which includes products, but also relied upon a certain set of ideals and philosophies that came through in the decisions he took and the relationship he had with all of us who used Apple products and services during his time(s) in charge of the company.

So is it so weird I’d refer to how I feel I relate to Steve Jobs when discussing this story? Yeah, in some ways, sure. I even used the word ‘weirdly’ in my post myself. But the whole thing is weird. Life is weird. I was talking about my human feelings towards Steve Jobs and how I see certain parallels in the kind of human flaws his daughter is discussing. I was at pains to repeatedly put caveats that the comparison was not meant to equate or put as much importance on what I was saying, as her much more personal experience. Sorry if you couldn’t get anything more out of it than a reductionist reaction of ‘guy just talking about plastic and metal objects, whut?’. That was not at all the intention.
 
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Money isn't everything dude. You really think she cares how much he did at Apple? Doesn't change the fact that he was a dick to his own daughter.

I think the fact she hyphenates her last name after the way her father treated her, says what he did at Apple matters a lot to her?
 
The best music bands have at least one "bad guy."

Some of the most genius products were invented and/or developed by "bad guys."

Girls love a "bad boy" (until they get past that phase, most at least).

It's not that you can't have success without being a bad guy, but geez, how much fun are we having buying products created by a committee of nice guys over the last 5 years? Personality-less grey/white washed-out smoothed-over software and fashion-over-function hardware. No way what's in Apple stores now would have been developed in the 00's by today's group of nice-guy minimalist committee members at Apple. Food for thought.
Not really. Nothing you said is justification for someone being a jerk or that what you don’t like about present day Apple is a result of the executive team being too nice. Besides how do we know the current executive team is full of nice guys? We’ve certainly heard of anecdotes of Tim Cook being not so nice.
 
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Steve wasn't a people person whether work colleagues or family.
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Lisa's Mom was still gold-digging Steve. (asking to buy them a house)
Most fathers support their kids by putting a roof over their heads. What's wrong with the mother demanding Steve cough up his responsibility, especially as he had squirreled away a few bucks.
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In my experience people that say money isn't everything either have plenty or none. No middle ground.
Money can't buy happiness but I'd rather be an unhappy billionaire than an unhappy poor person.
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I don't approve of Job's parenting (as described) at all, but that is besides the point - we know he was a jerk.
He was a deadbeat dad.
 
Not really. Nothing you said is justification for someone being a jerk or that what you don’t like about present day Apple is a result of the executive team being too nice. Besides how do we know the current executive team is full of nice guys? We’ve certainly heard of anecdotes of Tim Cook being not so nice.
I was not justifying his actions. I was just pointing out the fact that some of the best art came from some of the most torturous souls, and that’s never going to change. I do feel it’s pretty clear that there is no common visionary at Apple like was present with Steve, to drive a certain organized vision, and I recall Tim being interviewed and saying he seeks out group agreement for designs decisions often, realizing I’m putting myself on the spot because I cannot reference where that was stated. But you don’t get too far with committee-think when you have a bunch of renegade bad guys with strong opinions. I’ve been very vocal for five years towards what I consider to be a disjointed mess of an iOS that’s no longer magical feeling or as well put together as before 2013, as well as a completely misplaced prioritizing of fashion over function in the hardware , So my post was just my way of connecting all those dots. I feel bad for her if she’s so tortured as to need to write a book. Many of us have lived through aspects of traumatic childhood, I’m thankful I got out of it without needing to write a book. That her book was authored by Lisa Brennan-Jobs and not Lisa Brennan suggests something, and should help with sales.
 
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Hopefully, eight years after Steve’s death, people won’t assume this is a quick cash grab.

Why would they? She's financially set for life, just like the other children.
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Using money (and the threat of withdrawal of same) to express power (and abuse of power) and control in personal relationships, and behaving in such a way, by walking out of restaurants without paying, leaving someone who is in dire financial straits to pick up the bill, or seeking to humiliate them by reminding them of the fact that they might not be able to afford to pay, playing with their insecurity, and leaving them - by your behaviour - not knowing in advance whether you will be hospitable or controlling - is seriously low and very warped behaviour.

Some of the background to the Harvard story can be found in the biography of Steve Jobs written by Walter Isaacson; if memory serves, Jobs had initially refused to pay Lisa's Harvard fees, and one of his colleagues stepped in and did the needful as the deadline approached. Embarrassed, Jobs reimbursed him subsequently.

Therefore, with all due respect, I'm not all that surprised by Lisa's decision not to invite him to her matriculation event in her first year in Harvard.

The colleague was Wozniak.
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Steve wasn't a people person whether work colleagues or family.
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Most fathers support their kids by putting a roof over their heads. What's wrong with the mother demanding Steve cough up his responsibility, especially as he had squirreled away a few bucks.
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Money can't buy happiness but I'd rather be an unhappy billionaire than an unhappy poor person.
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He was a deadbeat dad.


More importantly, it was well known within NeXT Steve promised to provide a quality home and lifestyle for them both.

He liked to ``screw'' with the one woman who wasn't 100% faithful to him when they were young--so much for his Zen Buddhism ways. Having worked at NeXT and Apple, the latter years Steve was the man he should have been in her early years.

Laurene Powell Jobs is the reason for that transformation, along with the co-founders of PIXAR who didn't want him around pissing people off.
 
I’m going so wait until I read that in context in her book.

What does it change? He was a genius and an idiot, both at the same time.
I'm looking forward to some Musk stories. I bet his character is closer to Job's than many want to believe.
 
I read a roughly 5 page snippet of the book that was published.

It was pretty much 80% "My father was a dick", and 20% "My father did love me, and here's how I know."

Anyway, it was a sad read. Karma, Steve. Buh-bye.
 
There's a lot of judgements being passed here on this forum and that's not cool. We don't really know the dynamics of these relationships, and until we read Lisa's book, we don't really have any insight. Also, the dynamics between Lisa and Steve are saddled with tons of drama that Steve and her mother created--we don't really know the pre-Lisa story.

Jumping to conclusions with global comments, "Steve was an ass... jerk... dick... whatever" and having that affect your relationships with Apple or the products is a bit asinine because Steve's personal relationships should have nothing to do with how you view Apple's products. If everyone thought like that, nobody would've ever bought a Ford because it's said Henry, and his son especially, were complete jerks. Many levels beyond Steve.

Often celebrities are saddled with some personal issues, drama, psychological problems. Steve was adopted by parents who gave him up. Then with the efforts of Woz, they created the most successful company ever. He was the youngest instant millionaire to be at the helm of a company going public when Apple went public and he was placed on the cover of Time magazine! Was he, what, 24 then? That's akin to instant stardom that celebrities deal with and for a lot of people, it's hard to mentally manage--especially in your early twenties. Wouldn't you agree?

I'm not saying whatever dickish things he did was ok because those things were not ok. Yet later, we find Steve learned how to manage a company, learned how to be a great family man, and left an incredible legacy. Also, I know people who had dealt with him personally in business and none of them call him an ******. He was tough, yes, but not universally a jerk.

I do want to read Lisa's story because it's fascinating, important, and helps us all understand the complex mind of Steve Jobs. Her story won't change my belief in his business acumen or the amazing legacy he's left behind, however.
 
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I am getting tired of this woman already, and I have not read any of the relevant books.

I don't approve of Job's parenting (as described) at all, but that is besides the point - we know he was a jerk. And, that he made so many stupid decisions that literally killed him too soon, especially considering how much health care he had access to, as a rich man. Almost like a death-wish, and pancreatic cancer is a death sentence even in this decade.

She couldn't have written such a book when he was alive, I understand that dilemma.

The picture she is painting of herself now is that of a very sore winner, bitter even after this many years. Her claim of having forgiven him to heal herself sounds false, as she seems to be still whining. I doubt he can defend or explain his behavior if he was alive, but now that that chapter is closed, what is her end-game here!

How do you know what picture she is painting? You didn’t read the book.

Typical internet behavior.
 
Was this already known? That's probably the most horrible Jobs' anecdote I've heard yet.

I agree. This is the lowest, most despicable thing I’ve heard about him. What’s even worse is that his wife went along with it. He clearly found his soulmate in her.
 
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