Live Coverage of Apple's 'Come See What 2011 Will Be the Year Of' Event

[Hackint0sh814]

so i talked to one of those apple chat people from the apple website and asked about when it would ship on march 11. they said it comes from one of the apple fulfillment centers, which i gather is a big apple warehouse. anyone know how many of these apple has in the U.S.? i wonder if there is one near my area (illinois/chicago)

If I'm not mistaken I believe if you preorder, you'll receive your iPad 2 on the 11th.

 

[GeekLawyer]

If I'm not mistaken I believe if you preorder, you'll receive your iPad 2 on the 11th.

This has been true in the past. The problem with this launch, however, is there's no way to pre-order an iPad 2. Unless Apple changes its online store to allow pre-orders, those wanting one on March 11 will have to show up in person.

It looks like Best Buy will have some quanitity for sale on the 11th as well, according to their site.

 

[jealousguy86]

i'm pretty certain there won't be a preorder, which is strange, i thought they usually had a preorder for new products like this..

but in any event, if you order it online on march 11 (they don't know what time), it'll probably ship on monday if you're lucky, since that's the next business day. so my guess is maybe you'd get it between march 14 and 18, if you are lucky that is and have the supplies within right distance.

 

[SeaFox]

That is the new iPad 1 price.

iPad 2 will be £499 because apple has a special 1:1 dollar to pound rate that no one else has.

Wow to this comment.

It's not like there's some international law that the price of a product has to be the same in all areas of the world. Apple simply chooses to sell the iPad for a different price in the U.K. so that after the exchange rate is taken into effect the numerical value of the price is the same between the U.S. and U.K. The result is Apple simply doesn't make the same amount in profit in one market verses another. If other companies don't do it it's simply because they have a specific profit margin they want to make from their device and don't see any reason to alter that for individual markets.

Believing Apple has somehow gotten an exemption for international exchange rates...
Someone has been drinking too much Kool-Aid.

 

[tigress666]

I get the feeling these forums are filled with teenage fanboys with no lives.

Bingo

 

[satty]

Thunderbolt

I'm confused about the purpose of the 30 pin connector now that they've released HDMI adapters. Why not just use mini Displayport to save real estate?

I would expect the iOS devices moving slowly away from USB2 towards Thunderbolt. Okay, dependent how quickly the PC world is catching up on that great technology.

Just imagine the sync to be 20 times faster

 

[jobesucks]

Wow to this comment.

It's not like there's some international law that the price of a product has to be the same in all areas of the world. Apple simply chooses to sell the iPad for a different price in the U.K. so that after the exchange rate is taken into effect the numerical value of the price is the same between the U.S. and U.K. The result is Apple simply doesn't make the same amount in profit in one market verses another. If other companies don't do it it's simply because they have a specific profit margin they want to make from their device and don't see any reason to alter that for individual markets.

Believing Apple has somehow gotten an exemption for international exchange rates...
Someone has been drinking too much Kool-Aid.

Yanks really dont get sarcasm and irony, the poster was merely saying apple rip us off here in the uk, which is entirely true

 

[blueraja]

Where did I say that people wouldn't buy the iPad or that the xoom would outsell the ipad. Or anything like that. I love (read as sarcasm) how people don't know how to read a thread and comprehend what someone writes but instead grandstands off point. My responses above were a direct result to the comment that the average consumer doesn't care about specs. That statement is false. That doesn't mean consumers only buy on spec. But to say specs don't matter is false. And ignorant.



Wow. How insightful. Let the adults have a conversation. Clearly you had nothing to add of value as indicated by you desire to turn this into a "game" that would have a winner and/loser



I never said apple is going down. Or doomed. I love that some people insist that there has to be a winner in a discussion. And even more that just because they don't want to discuss items anymore or they think they have "won" that no one else should comment

Stop being paranoid (a lot of you). Not everyone that doesn't praise Apple is saying they are doomed. Or riddled with failure. Or is a hater. The polarity some of you exhibit is pathetic

Im sorry if it hurt your feelings the point simply is as was stated, Apple's created and ecosystem that is so far ahead of whats going on with Android tablets that even if the specs hadn't changed and all they did was slap on a camera the xoom sales would still never come close to sniffing those of the ipad. Im not saying it right or even fair but its reality. Anything with Honeycomb is basically a 1st gen product regardless of how long Android has been around, which is actually a good thing because if peoples views of Android tablets were based on the prior offers it would never get off the ground. I do think android tablets will eventually be competitive but its going take years and with the pricing structure and carrier lock you can bet it wont be Xoom that really makes a dent.

 

[mcapanelli]

Not for nothing - but I've had the same experiences on my iPhone, iPad, iMac and MacBook Pro. And not just "once."

Maybe it was your device. Maybe there were a bunch of bad builds. Maybe one of your apps conflicted with another. Who knows. But that's not "proof" that iOS is better/worse than any other OS in itself.

That's totally reasonable. I hate to sound like I"m generalizing, because in reality it was MY experience with android that didn't go so well. I do know people with cracked pandigitals that swear their the poor mans iPad, and they seem to work great. For my money, I just enjoy to iOS and OS X experience more then I did the Windows and now the Android one. It most likely has more to do with my working with Linux then anything else as OS X and the Linux kernel and very close. In fact It's my belief that if given the chance, Linux can beat all of the current crop os OS around, but that's something for a different post.

As far as crashing and freezing, that just hasn't been part of my iOS or Apple OS experience in the 10 or so years I've moved to their products. I've also found the earning curve to be less then other products I've used. Again, that's just my experience. I've actually been toying with a captivate and a white pandigital myself running 2.2 and while I LOVE the ability to tinker with everything, the overall experience is lacking in that you really have to be on top of tinges to get it to run right. While that's fine for me I really don't want to play computer help desk with my teenage kids when they muck up daddy's handiwork. I've found that if I give them either an apple device, or in the case of my daughter, a netback running the mint version of Linux, there's far less trouble in the long run then when I'm running windows or the previous versions of Android.

 

[mcapanelli]

Well that didnt answer my question... but my question was more rhetorical.. I knew nobody in this tread would be able to answer.

Well in reality I did answer your question, but your right. It seems all your posts might as well be rhetorical because any answer you receive other then "my android is better then your apple" will be met with about the same response. You might as well sit in the corner with fingers in your ears screaming "I'M NOT LISTENING! I'M NOT LISTENING!" Save the Fandroid banter for a Fandroid site. iOS is a better overall general user experience hands down, as the market has already determined. In fact we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Apple didn't introduce the iPad in the first place. YOU may like YOUR android tablet, but tell that to the MILLIONS of iPad owners. I guess there all just sheep and your so original. Keep those fingers in your ears and those blinders over your eyes because your attitude is just as bad as any apple fan boy I've encountered.

 

[mcapanelli]

Fixed for you

What's the matter, couldn't answer that one so you "fixed" it? How are those fingers working for ya?

 

[dgree03]

Well in reality I did answer your question, but your right. It seems all your posts might as well be rhetorical because any answer you receive other then "my android is better then your apple" will be met with about the same response. You might as well sit in the corner with fingers in your ears screaming "I'M NOT LISTENING! I'M NOT LISTENING!" Save the Fandroid banter for a Fandroid site. iOS is a better overall general user experience hands down, as the market has already determined. In fact we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Apple didn't introduce the iPad in the first place. YOU may like YOUR android tablet, but tell that to the MILLIONS of iPad owners. I guess there all just sheep and your so original. Keep those fingers in your ears and those blinders over your eyes because your attitude is just as bad as any apple fan boy I've encountered.

What's the matter, couldn't answer that one so you "fixed" it? How are those fingers working for ya?

Again what is better about iPad iOS over Honeycomb? Give me some facts not general statements.

"As the market already determined"

I love this argument, but this account windows is hands down better than OSX?

I know all feature of iOS having owned at least one iOS device since the introduction of the Iphone. I also own android devices and a XOOM with honeycomb. I can tell you without a doubt.. regardless of sales of iOS that honeycomb is a better overall experience than iOS.

Pet peeves of iOS

-Bouncing you out of the app store everytime you download something
-No back button to quickly go back to your previous app
-Tabs in safari reloading everytime i switch between a few
-Asking for my password everytime for FREE apps
-No color coded labels using gmail in mail app
-Notifications!!(This made me switch back immediately)
-No dynamic weather using locations(I loved that I didnt have to manually change my location to get weather information on android)
-The aggressive nature of the autocorrect function

Feature that make xoom/honeycomb better than Ipad 2

Gmail- is incredible on this thing. Drag and drop, color labels, etc. the workflow with gmail is priceless and so fluid. I cannot speak of the general "email" app because i only use gmail.

youtube- way way faster loading videos on this than it was on the ipad. it has some eye candy, which is always nice.. esp for android.

browser- Browser is great! and it loads pages faster than my ipad did. also it has tabs and THEY DO NOT RELOAD ON SWITCHING!! I had 8 tabs open... flipping through them flawlessly! As always using google account you can sync bookmarks and such between desktop and xoom.

Google Maps- Self explained

File system- Self Explained

The screen resolution

The apps it does have already are as beautiful but more funtional than iOS apps.

Honeycomb/Xoom pet peeves

No enough apps yet
Power button, altho useful when holding it, it sucks when its laying on the table
Still has a few bugs in the market
No sdhc card access yet
No 4g access yet
No Flash yet

EVERY SINGLE SPEC

Things iOS/Ipad has going for it

App Store- Nothing beats it
Simple
Alot of price points
Nice design(Ipad)
Easy media syncing


Ipod touch is still in my possession as well as my 17in macbook pro! I love those devices.

See i did your job for you.

 

[e-coli]

It is called the built in photos app.

Try editing photos and / or creating albums in the built-in photo app and let me know how that works out for you.

I'm guessing you don't own an iPad.

 

[charlituna]

Don't get me wrong all the reasons I did not buy the iPad 1 were brought into the iPad 2. But I feel like Apple has forgotten about some of their apps, like iWeb and Aperture.

I can't help feeling like a lot of folks are expecting Aperture to be something it is not. They look at it as trying to be Photoshop when it is really more like Lightroom with some very very basic editing included.

But iWeb I will give you and agree. It can be so much more and one day probably will be. Or Apple will drop the pretense.

Personally I would like to see them switch to HTML5 or at least add it as an 'advanced' feature. Plus they need to clean up some of the file structure like a common images folder and no more of this multiple copies nonsense (that is so early 90s). More template control like you see in Wordpress and Blogger. And inline HTML editing instead of this iframe nonsense. Plus add support on Mobile Me for keywords, searching etc (similar to wordpress, blogger etc). And yes even support for a static page layout surrounding blog entries would be awesome and would allow for creating an iweb for the ipad for writing those entries on the go. They could even incorporate some of their other realms like a plug in that allows you to include your ping feed, reviews you post on itunes etc along with your facebook, twitter and such.

I understand that Verizon doesn't use simcards and the iPad will only work with one of the technologies. But does the above mean that you have to jailbreak it to use it with any other carrier than AT&T?

Nope. The GSM model is labeled as ATT in the US merely because FCC laws don't let T-Mobile US use the same frequencies as ATT and GSM outside of the US and none of the iOS stuff currently supports that alt frequency set. The label is meant to get across to the less informed that it only works on ATT in the US. But the ipad is actually factory 'never locked' and thus you can remove the sim card and put in one from anywhere. You might have to hook it up to a computer to load the appropriate carrier info via itunes but otherwise you don't have to do the whole Jailbreak and Unlock dance

The US iPhone 4 was locked to AT&T, right?

IS locked. US law allows for a device to be locked to a single carrier for as long as the two parties want it to be. And they don't require either party to unlock it at the end of a user's contract etc. Now current law allows you the user to unlock it on your own at your own risk (the producing company legally can void your warranty if you do it and Apple does) so long as you don't assist anyone else in unlocking a device via information or doing it for them, paid or free. but that's as good as it gets.

Supposedly ATT only has a 5 year contract on the iphone and starting with whatever is release in 2012 Apple is going to sell unlocked phones in the US but I'm not holding my breath. Unless the phone has ATT and TMobile capable GSM AND CDMA in the single unit (with or without LTE) there's no practical use for it being unlocked and doing it is asking for more reseller nonsense like the current crap with the ipad 2.

Indeed, imagine if they still use 215 mb whilst android tablets out before have 1GB.

Not necessarily. A higher amount of RAM is meaningless if the software is less efficient in using the RAM. It's like saying an 10MP camera is always better than a 5MP one although the 5MP camera has better software, better light sensitivity, uses RAW and not JPEG etc

In both cases you have to look at the full package and not just one spec out of context

Really I just want to be able to skype with this thing, so now I can.

It would be a lot nicer if they actually created an ipad version instead of leaving folks stuck using an iphone version written for iOS 3.

The "toy" image won't go away because Apple really is pushing towards that demographic. Look at how much they focus on apps like Garageband and iMove, all the games etc, yet don't give us any info on VPN, Document Viewing, and things corp. would use.

And yet we haven't seen bunches of articles about businesses buying up Xooms etc but we have about them buying iPads. Same with schools. Even though the ipad is a 'toy' and is crap compared to the specs of a Xoom etc. Look at the 'created for businesses' HP Slate which only made 5k units for their first run and then announced that it would be up to 6 weeks for them to ship the other 4k units ordered. Not exactly stellar numbers

go to an Apple Store and see all the people taking classes, waiting on line for a Genius or post on your facebook asking how many of them have heard from their friends and family asking questions on how to do even the most basic functions.

I have. And what I see in those classes and waiting at the bar are mostly folks old enough to be my parents (and I was a late marriage baby) and my grandparents who would need help no matter what OS you are talking about.

They've always done £1 - $1. It's nothing new. Not fair, I know.

What's not fair is folks griping about the price without considering that the UK etc might be charging Apple some kind of import tax, same as every company and like every company they don't just suck it up and eat the difference at the cost of most or even all of their profit.