Live Coverage of Apple's WWDC 2016 Keynote: iOS 10, macOS 10.12, and More [Keynote Over]

[unagimiyagi]

It's official. Apple is out of ideas. They're still the best tweakers and polishers out there, and that really counts for something. But it's a niche market.
The future is AI and Apple's not going to be able to catch up there, period, espeically with the committment to privacy. It's fundamentally impossible. BUT I do like them for sticking to their principles on this one as I think that the more we rely on AI, the more the public will realize nothing is private, and Apple has the potential to be the one company that people trust to protect data. That said, I'm worried that most people won't care and most people won't be able to say no to the convenience provided by AI.
And there's no reason why Apple needed to wait this long between macbook updates. They could have just cranked out at 13" and added one more usb c port and phoned it in, and people would have been happy. etc etc. Sometimes they are really stubborn and hide behind the aura of perfectionism, but in reality it's not that hard. They're just dragging their feet. They have 100 billion in the bank or so, they could have hired an entire army of engineers to speed up product development times.

Most underwhelming wwdc that I can remember.

 

[noles1983]

It's not just you, Millenials were already doing this stuff for months and years now on snapchat. And while it might be nice to have these features available in Messages, snapchat works seamlessly when I want to send dumb thing to my friends with Android phones. This is sort of "meh" to the crowd they were targeting.

Also, I hate to break it to you but if you were born in 1983 like your handle suggests, you are, by most charts, considered a Millennial. You are just in an older cohort. Today you have become the thing you despise. Sorry.

I can be a really old X generation or a millennial, such perks. I choose X lol. Mid 80's is such a weird spot to be in, too old for x, too young for y

 

[tampageek]

Because they are preparing you to use the iPad/Siri for development or with Swift 3 and its new build system you will use linux for development. Computers, nah, that is so old school. In the hip/Rap world you ain't got no need for them laptops and desktops.

Yup. As Soon as they can force dev's to use an iPad for apps they can finally get rid of Mac's - which has been Tim's plan all along. Every 'update' for Mac has been more dumbing down and less access to the OS. Only Apple could look at a $5 billion a year product line as something not worth maintaining. Very sad.
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It's official. Apple is out of ideas. They're still the best tweakers and polishers out there, and that really counts for something. But it's a niche market.
The future is AI and Apple's not going to be able to catch up there, period, espeically with the committment to privacy. It's fundamentally impossible. BUT I do like them for sticking to their principles on this one as I think that the more we rely on AI, the more the public will realize nothing is private, and Apple has the potential to be the one company that people trust to protect data. That said, I'm worried that most people won't care and most people won't be able to say no to the convenience provided by AI.
And there's no reason why Apple needed to wait this long between macbook updates. They could have just cranked out at 13" and added one more usb c port and phoned it in, and people would have been happy. etc etc. Sometimes they are really stubborn and hide behind the aura of perfectionism, but in reality it's not that hard. They're just dragging their feet. They have 100 billion in the bank or so, they could have hired an entire army of engineers to speed up product development times.

Most underwhelming wwdc that I can remember.

Apple privacy is becoming an illusion. With 10.12 Sienna they'll be automatically pushing everything to the cloud where they can quietly give the FBI all the info they want.

 

[idark77]

The only thing that i remember about this WWDC is the Crash of iMessage...

Microsoft + Dell + Samsung + Asus are very happy!!!

 

[Riot Nrrrd]

I'm old. I've been using Macs regularly since 1993 and I used to go to WWDC regularly between the late '90s and the mid 2000s.

If someone had come up to me at WWDC 2004 and asked me for a prognostication about WWDC 2016, I probably would've said something like "I dunno ... a Holodeck OS with full 3-D immersion?"

Now it's really WWDC 2016 and we get ... larger smileys.

 

[physicsprof]

What I don't get is this: Apple itself is full of engineers who, I presume, do their work on Macs and who use Macs at home. Surely these people must realize that it's time for an update?! Surely, they must discuss this in conference rooms, during product planning meetings, brainstorming sessions, heck - over lunch? So, why isn't anything happening?

The only plausible explanation is that they knocked on Cook's door, who looked up from his rose-gold MB on which he had been graphing an Excel plot for Apple's profit outlook and said "nah, this model works just fine - go and make some new emojis."

 

[KJL3000]

This years WWDCs highlight: renaming OSX to macOS. But at least the front row Dev kids seemed to be very excited. Really disappointing. Again.

 

[Anuba]

I can be a really old X generation or a millennial, such perks. I choose X lol. Mid 80's is such a weird spot to be in, too old for x, too young for y

It's not "Y". It's "Generation Snowflake". You don't want to be a part of that fragile, pampered bunch. Stick with X, they have skin and stuff.

 

[tentales]

I'm old. I've been using Macs regularly since 1993 and I used to go to WWDC regularly between the late '90s and the mid 2000s.

If someone had come up to me at WWDC 2004 and asked me for a prognostication about WWDC 2016, I probably would've said something like "I dunno ... a Holodeck OS with full 3-D immersion?"

Now it's really WWDC 2016 and we get ... larger smileys.

Gosh, now I feel even older. Been using Macs since University in the mid-80s. Owned many since 1990.

While not my cuppa tea, I'm ok with Apple appealing to fashionistas and emoji lovers.
I'm NOT ok with Apple doing that at the expense of computing professionals that were once the backbone of the company.

I know the iPhone has taken over as the main revenue stream, but we'll see how this one-trick pony strategy works out with the next iPhone in the fall. Maybe then they'll remember to beef-up the hardware team on the Mac side again.

Also, I've been moonlighting over on http://www.tonymacx86.com , seems like a lot more users joining lately and DIY Skylake Macs.

 

[tuxon86]

That's cool, very cool. I will buy one (A500 or A1000); it's probably the best computer ever made.

If you can, go for an A1200... They're easier to modify to be used with modern display. That and the more advanced graphical mode.
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Or hire performers to do the presentation. I was disappointed that she didn't actually strut. Next year, hire Lin-Manuel Miranda. He'll get all the words right, and entertain the crowd. Plus he still appeals to Mathletes.

The should hire Leo Laporte...
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OK. I guess they are not for sale.

Nah, I'm holding on to them.

 

[TallManNY]

Well let's see. If the 10% of computer users who are on macs decrease their google searches by 10%...carry the 7....that's a 1% drop in searches for google.

On the other hand what about al the mac users who are going to switch now? Even ChromeOS outsold Macs last quarter. http://9to5mac.com/2016/05/19/idc-chromebook-sales-mac-q1-us-education/

Not every user generates the same revenue for Google. The U.S. users generate the most ad revenue per user. And much more per users than some countries. Apple has estimated that 25% of PC use in the U.S. is done on Macs and that seems about right. But I'd say that 25% skews toward affluent demographics and also toward leisure time usage (which might be more valuable to advertisers).

So I'm pretty sure that if this gets used a lot and it switches search from Google that it will impact more than 1% of Google's search revenue. But we'd have to see how well Siri can do the search in practice. Right now it is still much worse than Google in my opinion.

 

[tentales]

This years WWDCs highlight: renaming OSX to macOS. But at least the front row Dev kids seemed to be very excited. Really disappointing. Again.

Little history lesson for the kids. macOS isn't new, it used to be call "Mac OS" back in the 90s. Also for some reason in 2012, somebody decided to drop the "Mac" portion from the "Mac OS X" name that has existed since 2001.

 

[cube]

If you can, go for an A1200... They're easier to modify to be used with modern display. That and the more advanced graphical mode.

But only the A1000 has the looks.

 

[tuxon86]

But only the A1000 has the looks.

There is that...

 

[rdlink]

You listed a number of things that they announced today, what you didn't specify is what exactly you liked about them? For each of those features you listed, I could list a number of problems that will most definitely arise - causing the whole ecosystem to basically reek of half-thought out, unpolished features.

But I will wait to expound on the same till I know more. Not trolling, just curious.

I suppose you're right in that we will need to wait and see what time brings with all of these announcements. But I was able to see real world benefit potential in many of these for myself instantly.

I use Siri quite a bit every day, and I am overall happy with it. Allowing developer access to the API is going to do nothing but improve it, IMO. One of the big complaints I have heard from people in the past has been that Siri doesn't allow them to use their preferred apps for mapping, messaging, etc. This appears to fix that. I, personally prefer Apple Maps to Google Maps. But within yesterday's announcements I see the potential for people to use Google Maps to do routing with Siri commands.

I really like my Apple Watch, and use it for fitness, Apple Pay and HomeKit commands, and notifications, etc. Oh, and as a watch. But it's a first generation product that needed some tweaking to make it better. Apple appears to have seen some user pain points and is doing something about them.

I downloaded Sierra yesterday and threw it on a standalone partition. In 15 minutes of playing with Siri on the Mac I could already see benefits with managing files, and the potential for controlling my HomeKit devices (my entire home is HomeKit enabled).

The Home App is exciting because I will now have a single App to control all of my HomeKit devices that is designed and maintained by the company responsible for the HomeKit API.

Those are just a few examples that I see. There are many more, IMO. As you said, we'll know more as time goes on, but I am pretty excited at the prospect of what these announcements mean for the long term.
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Fifty people being killed is probably more important to most of the country.

Fixed that for you:

Fifty people being killed is definitely more important.

 

[Apple Corps]

It's official. Apple is out of ideas. They're still the best tweakers and polishers out there, and that really counts for something. But it's a niche market.
The future is AI and Apple's not going to be able to catch up there, period, espeically with the committment to privacy. It's fundamentally impossible. BUT I do like them for sticking to their principles on this one as I think that the more we rely on AI, the more the public will realize nothing is private, and Apple has the potential to be the one company that people trust to protect data. That said, I'm worried that most people won't care and most people won't be able to say no to the convenience provided by AI.
And there's no reason why Apple needed to wait this long between macbook updates. They could have just cranked out at 13" and added one more usb c port and phoned it in, and people would have been happy. etc etc. Sometimes they are really stubborn and hide behind the aura of perfectionism, but in reality it's not that hard. They're just dragging their feet. They have 100 billion in the bank or so, they could have hired an entire army of engineers to speed up product development times.

Most underwhelming wwdc that I can remember.

I believe that Apple has around $200,000,000,000 in cash and has hired an army of engineers - yet very little of note is flowing out of that plugged up pipeline in Cupertino.

 

[duervo]

Also, I've been moonlighting over on http://www.tonymacx86.com , seems like a lot more users joining lately and DIY Skylake Macs.

Ditto. Not planning to replace my 2011 Mac mini with a newer one. That's led me to seriously consider the DIY route for Mac's for the first time ever.

 

[h9826790]

My Mac Pro 2010 is one step away from being obsoleted by Apple, Its specs are:

* 12-Core Intel Xeon X5690 3.46 GHz (41.52 GHz!!!)
* NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB Graphics Card
* 128 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC Memory
* 512 GB Samsung SM951 PCIe SSD
* BCM94360CD 802.11ac + Bluetooth LE 4.0
* RocketU 1144C 4 port USB 3.0

Its Geekbench score is around 30,000, which is faster than Apple's fastest and most expensive Mac Pro 2013. If they drop it in macOS 10.13 I'm going to be livid.

How you use the 1080? There should be no driver for this card yet.

 

[rediffusion]

Forgive me if this has already been posted, historically has Apple ever launched any new MacBooks over the summer (jun/jul/aug)?

 

[tentales]

Forgive me if this has already been posted, historically has Apple ever launched any new MacBooks over the summer (jun/jul/aug)?

Indeed it has, but you're forgiven not reading through 2100+ posts.
Many times, those models were called "midYYYY" since 2009 except this year, but also prior to 2009, if you want to check the introduction dates here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/index-macbookpro.html

 

[MarsViolet]

I believe that Apple has around $200,000,000,000 in cash and has hired an army of engineers - yet very little of note is flowing out of that plugged up pipeline in Cupertino.

Money is like RAM. If you're not using it, you're wasting it, and Apple's not using it.

 

[BuffaloTF]

That still requires you to actually, you know, SIGN ON to the app before this works. At least they announced text entry via iOS device, so that's something. That on screen keyboard was atrocious.

Right... But there's more ways to enter details now than day 1. You can use the existing Apple TV Remote app (Remote is the literal app name) for text entry - and have been able to for months. Can spell out everything verbally with Siri... Or painfully scroll thru each letter with the touch remote.

 

[Apple Corps]

Money is like RAM. If you're not using it, you're wasting it, and Apple's not using it.

Amen - I posted some time ago that Apple could have done a hostile takeover of Akamai for $12 billion and have the world's most robust internet content delivery capacity. Instead, they have wasted huge sums of money on buybacks with ZERO to show for it :-(

 

[ReneR]

The universal clipboard is pretty nice.

Yeah, well if you want everything you paste go thru the air, ... I could not see me where this would help me much. Once a year maybe?