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I do actually, but it makes me feel better to know there are people more stupid than me.

Or at least equally stupid.

Wow! The most stupid person is the one whose feeling depend on someone else's doing but I guess you wouldn't know that.
You might need mental therapy. Just sayin'.
 
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In this case, the fact that Apple and HTC have a full cross licensing agreement in place kind of negates every argument you're making.

And, if you weren't aware that Apple and HTC had a cross licensing agreement in place, maybe you should educate yourself.

Part of the reason for the hate is cause when Apple copies, the media applauds Apple for the best thing since sliced bread. But when Android phones have slide to unlock, Apple starts a thermonuclear war.
 
Part of the reason for the hate is cause when Apple copies, the media applauds Apple for the best thing since sliced bread. But when Android phones have slide to unlock, Apple starts a thermonuclear war.

Well, HTC can start thermonuclear on this too. Who prohibited them?
 
I mean, capturing =! displaying...

"I think its amazing my laptop can play 4K feature films, but can't edit and render them"

I'm not implying Live photos is as complex, but it might be something trivial that's preventing them to implement it well enough to bother...
Well, if Apple could, take a picture in 4K resolution, And, let their "live" part of photo can also be taken in 4K resolution, and process it in real time, could this be much better than using 960*640?

But hey, iPhone 6s Plus still remain 1080P? and iOS still down scale everything on screen to lower resolution? Oh, no thanks. I need something more "innovative" and intuitive.
 
Yeah, that's a classic Apple move -- take something Android or whoever has been doing badly for a while and do it much, much better. See also: Touch ID.

I have a Nexus 7, Ipad Air 2 and Iphone 6. While Android was first with NFC, Wallet, and Live Photos (c/o HTC), they did not know how to market it. NFC was marketed as a file sharing tool (remember Samsung kissing phones?), Wallet never took off until Apply Pay (now they had to rebrand it as Android Pay), and live photos, which they failed to capitalize. Take the wireless charging as an example. Samsung never had this prior to the S6 but other Android phones and my Nexus 7 had this feature but they did not know how to market it. Samsung was able to take it to another level, even though my 2013 N7 was 2 years ahead.
 
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What I just said in response to him...HTC and Apple have a full cross licensing agreement in place...they're literally allowed to use each others patents and ideas.

Well, HTC can start thermonuclear on this too. Who prohibited them?
 
The simplicity of the way that Live Photos will work as opposed to these other two products will be the main reason why it succeeds relative to them.

Simplicity is simple, by it's very definition. But creating simplicity is incredibly complicated. And for some reason Apple's competitors cannot seem to find the path to doing so.
What bobbins, zoe didn't fail as you say.. It was very simple as you seem not to say.. The number of units htc sold is irrelevant as to the success of a feature.. The app worked flawlessly in an incredibly simple way..
If 100 million ppl will but the next iPhone regardless of the feature set, that alone says that numbers of units sold are irrespective of the individual success of a certain app on board.. Is siri a success?. Most reviewers seem to think it requires a lot of work.. By your metric it's a glowing success... Of all the reasons htc didn't sell a lot of units, zoe wasn't one of them...
 
Well, HTC can start thermonuclear on this too. Who prohibited them?

So a bully punches someone and your answer is no one is prohibiting the victim from fighting back?

I'd prefer to live in a world were things like slide to unlock or rounded corners are not given government protection.
 
Well, if Apple could, take a picture in 4K resolution, And, let their "live" part of photo can also be taken in 4K resolution, and process it in real time, could this be much better than using 960*640?

But hey, iPhone 6s Plus still remain 1080P? and iOS still down scale everything on screen to lower resolution? Oh, no thanks. I need something more "innovative" and intuitive.

Lol, your post LITERALLY made my head hurt!!!
Try some basic googling if you seriously somehow don't even understand the most common industry terms, please.
Saying "4K photo" kinda sounds as stupid as saying "8mp mp3"... those terms simply don't go together & have no meaning together.
Now a 4K VIDEO file does have similar resolution to a 12mp PICTURE file (4096x2160 vs 4000x3000), but this does NOT make the terms "4K photo" or "12mp video" remotely accurate.
Your post is so nonsensical, if it were a rough draft... I would have to rewrite it twice before I would even judge it good enough to throw away.
 
So a bully punches someone and your answer is no one is prohibiting the victim from fighting back?

I'd prefer to live in a world were things like slide to unlock or rounded corners are not given government protection.

Why don't we let the judge.. um.. judge first who's the bully who's the victim here? Samsung's the victim, seriously? people shouldn't protect their intellectual property? Guess you don't own anything much in your life.
If HTC thought they have the case then bring it to court. Let the court decides!
 
It is literally not a gif. Cinemagraphs (ala Nokia, the iOS app) are literally gifs. Do I need to teach you the meaning of the word "literally" or are you literally that daft?

I didn't say .gif (the file extension). By gif I mean the concept of a short video that loops over again which is what live photos is. It's my fault for not clarifying what I meant.

Either way this isn't a new concept and anyone duped into thinking this is a must have probably buys snake oil
 
Yep, it is the Apple effect in full force. It is funny though; similar features have been available on other platforms but never been called more than useless gimmicks in most reviews.

A couple of examples are 'Animated photo' and 'Sound and shot' which both debuted on the Samsung Galaxy S4 and Note 4 in 2013. Not very different from Live Photos, but no one saw the point of moving pictures - or pictures with sound - when you could just as well use the movie feature...

See Apple is good at making existing technologies better and then teaching us how to use it and why we would love to use it. It's like brainwashing us and honestly I like it. It's not something we need but when we get used to it it will be something we can't live without. I can't wait to post live pics on Instagram and facebook, share with my friends via messages too.
 
HTC zoe.. They even put it up on the play store for other devices to have as well..

See that's why it will never catch on with android. It's a feature on one phone and not all android phones. To have the feature on all android phones you must download an app. With Apple going forward it will be built into all iPhones.

Imagine the ratio of HTC phones with the similar Live Photos vs Apple iPhone 6s and 6s plus soon to be released. Apple sales will crush it like a bug. It will be the same thing next year when Samsung gets their 3D Touch going on their phones. They will probably be the only android maker with it, it isn't enough to make a difference.
 
So when you look at this photo you believe the water is just suspended there like that? Can you not extrapolate what is happening? If that's the case, I think it's pretty unusual. Most people don't need to see 3 seconds of video to infer that something is happening when they look at an action photo...

forest-trees-waterfall.jpg

So to me this picture looks horrible. I never see water like this. It is not the way the world looks. I find these picture appalling. But if you had a 3 second video of it, that I might like.
To me, motion can be captured in just the twinkling of the water captured and is spoiled in this type of longer exposure.
 
So the size of the video/live photo MOV is much smaller than the 12MP photo, according to this article. Didn't Phil say during the keynote that the live photo will have the exact same resolution/quality as the still photo?
The promo video of the HTC Zoe posted here earlier actually looks pretty interesting and much more advanced in functionality compared to Live Photo. While Apple's solution is just for view the moments before and after a photo was taken, the HTC Zoe seems to have allowed editing the photo afterwards based on data captured moments before and after. I could see so many use cases for that, e.g. group pictures as in HTC's video, where always someone blinks with their eyes when the photo is taken or someone looks awkward but half a second later looks fine.
That would actually be a killer application if Apple or some thirdparty implements it just right and easy to use. But for that, I think we need live photos to be the same size and quality as the still photos…
 
Well, if Apple could, take a picture in 4K resolution, And, let their "live" part of photo can also be taken in 4K resolution, and process it in real time, could this be much better than using 960*640?

But hey, iPhone 6s Plus still remain 1080P? and iOS still down scale everything on screen to lower resolution? Oh, no thanks. I need something more "innovative" and intuitive.

I'm not sure I'm following.
The still photo part is as far as I know higher resolution and not 960x720.
4K video is intense. It means a lot of data in a short period of time...
4K video is actually 4times as large (in terms of data) as 1920*1080 (full HD)

One frame is around 20-30mb uncompressed. 45 frames of uncompressed 4K video is 1,8GB.
One 960*720 frame is 2-3mb uncompressed... 45 frames uncompressed, 180mb.
CPU has to work 10 times as hard, memory has to have enough capacity for the sensor to store its data before, etc etc.
it would take much more power(battery) because the CPU has to work much harder to compress it, it would bog up the memory and kill your battery.

In the end it either means atrocious file size, or unnecessarily aggressive compression.

I don't know what do you mean how iOS downscales? Live photos are 12mpix for the still part, and 960*720 for live part. Only live part is downscaled.
 
Imagine the ratio of HTC phones with the similar Live Photos vs Apple iPhone 6s and 6s plus soon to be released. Apple sales will crush it like a bug. .
Let me guess, you get some perverse sense of pride when you see mega iPhone sales numbers vesus other manufacturers. Would it make you happy for them all to go out of business, so there's at just one company on the block. Have you forgotten the 1984 advert.. If you think iPhone upgrades are lame now as all they are doing is stealing ideas from everyone else, can you imagine what it would be like if they had to think for themselves, make their own chips, make their own screens etc.. Steve is gone, the magic is gone..
 
The iPhone 7 will have the 3D focus/ perspective change feature from the Lytro camera. You heard it here first.
 
This isn't anything new either, Edison stole **** from Tesla all the time :p

[SOAPBOX RANT="Ploki, post: 21918705, member: 154384"]No. That's not true at all. It's a gross mischaracterization of history and such a discourtesy to Edison. Tesla and Edison were both great inventors in their own rights, and it's a shame this modern pop-culture demeaning of Edison continues to be perpetuated. The only transaction regarding these men that could be questionable is what was the equivalent of a gentleman's agreement where Edison supposedly agreed to share any successes with his DC generator if Telsa helped him improve its design, but Edison reneged. Of course, as we all (hopefully) know, tables turned when Tesla's AC designed generators eventually dominated the industry thanks to Westinghouse's backing. (Edison's DC technology was backed by JP Morgan.)[/SOAPBOX RANT] :p

Here's some excellent reading on the subject, http://www.amazon.com/Tesla-Invento...&ie=UTF8&qid=1372195260&sr=1-3&keywords=Tesla

...oh, and I like "Live Photos". :D
 
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