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Let me guess, you get some perverse sense of pride when you see mega iPhone sales numbers vesus other manufacturers. Would it make you happy for them all to go out of business, so there's at just one company on the block. Have you forgotten the 1984 advert.. If you think iPhone upgrades are lame now as all they are doing is stealing ideas from everyone else, can you imagine what it would be like if they had to think for themselves, make their own chips, make their own screens etc.. Steve is gone, the magic is gone..

Dude I'm only speaking the truth and the numbers don't lie. Apple sells more iPhones than any other manufacturer flagship model out there. I don't want anyone to go out of business as I am thankful for competition which drives innovation. All I was saying is if android want a feature to stick it will need to be on a larger scale and not limited to one manufacturer phone model. I don't know how you've managed to stray off topic... But anyway I just want you to know the magic isn't gone as you think. Haven't you been watching or reading the news? Everyone is talking about Apple new and soon to be released products.
 
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I'm not sure I'm following.
The still photo part is as far as I know higher resolution and not 960x720.
4K video is intense. It means a lot of data in a short period of time...
4K video is actually 4times as large (in terms of data) as 1920*1080 (full HD)

One frame is around 20-30mb uncompressed. 45 frames of uncompressed 4K video is 1,8GB.
One 960*720 frame is 2-3mb uncompressed... 45 frames uncompressed, 180mb.
CPU has to work 10 times as hard, memory has to have enough capacity for the sensor to store its data before, etc etc.
it would take much more power(battery) because the CPU has to work much harder to compress it, it would bog up the memory and kill your battery.

In the end it either means atrocious file size, or unnecessarily aggressive compression.

I don't know what do you mean how iOS downscales? Live photos are 12mpix for the still part, and 960*720 for live part. Only live part is downscaled.
iPhone 6 Plus 1080P is the result of a continuous downscale from higher resolution, not natively display this. Thus GPU performance will be used to constantly process everything showed on screen, rather than processing real things such as games.
 
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Dude I'm only speaking the truth and the numbers don't lie. Apple sells more iPhones than any other manufacturer flagship model out there. I don't want anyone to go out of business as I am thankful for competition which drives innovation. All I was saying is if android want a feature to stick it will need to be on a larger scale and not limited to one manufacturer phone model. I don't know how you've managed to stray off topic... But anyway I just want you to know the magic isn't gone as you think. Haven't you been watching or reading the news? Everyone is talking about Apple new and soon to be released products.
Yes, I have sir.. Mainly about how nothing is New, just rehashed stuff.. Trust me, I want to be amazed and surprised by the next big thing as much as anyone.. And I'm not bothered who does it.. But sadly I fear there's a massive plateau in the smartphone world right now.. Spec bumps just aint cutting it anymore.. I like the look of the edge phones, but to be honest. The wow factors have almost universally gone which is a sorry state of affairs..
 
So whats the file extension for live photos? I can create them in code but cannot get them to be recognized by osx or ios
 
Yes, I have sir.. Mainly about how nothing is New, just rehashed stuff.. Trust me, I want to be amazed and surprised by the next big thing as much as anyone.. And I'm not bothered who does it.. But sadly I fear there's a massive plateau in the smartphone world right now.. Spec bumps just aint cutting it anymore.. I like the look of the edge phones, but to be honest. The wow factors have almost universally gone which is a sorry state of affairs..

Good luck with your quest to find the next thing that wows you. Personally, for me it isn't about the wow factor, it's what makes the phone more useable. I haven't been upgrading every year so, for me, the iPhone 6S+ will be a great upgrade.
 
Argh, Apple! Maybe people want to share these things with others. This custom crap means I can only share Live Photos with someone sitting next to me. Would have preferred a high quality GIF or something compatible on most everything.

Also; the iPhone 6S and 6S+ take photos that are 40% larger. That's a decent bump in storage required for each photo.

On top of this, I am unclear how 45 frames are captured and yet only 2X the storage is used for these photos. How can this be?


.... Friends don't let friends buy 16GB iPhones

thanks fish for pointing out the typo
 
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Argh, Apple! Maybe people want to share these things with others. This custom crap means I can only share Live Photos with someone sitting next to me. Would have preferred a high quality GIF or something compatible on most everything.

That's a bit of an oxymoron. GIFs aren't photo quality, and compression is very limited, so you'd end up with a massive file.

On top of this, I am unclear how 45 frames are captured and yet only 2X the storage is used for these photos. How can this be?

Simplest terms. Video compression only saves the changes between two frames.

I'm surprised how many people are confused by the size. If you look at a MP4 movie, it's composed of 30 frames a second. 1800 frames a minute. 108,000 frames an hour. But a 2 hour movie isn't 216000x the size of a single image.

arn
 
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lol it's hardware limitation...
if any camera could do 18mp/12mp stills, why would we need to buy a new camera to do 4k?

So long as the sensor, shutter, processor, and storage can keep up, the phone can record it. I'd guess that iPhone 5 and higher could possibly record 4K, but the processors on the A6 processor may not be able to keep up with it. Also; 12MP doesn't quite add up to 4K either. Some upscaling and other modifications have to be done on the processor during save in order to produce the video.

Live Photos relies on the 3D Touch in order to activate. So I think this is less about being possible on older iPhones and more about not confusing people with multiple ways of viewing them. Considering older iPhones don't have 3D Touch, there would have to be a different way to see Live Photos taken on an older iPhone. Having multiple ways would "cause confusion" and therefore Apple wouldn't support it on older devices themselves.
 
That's a bit of an oxymoron. GIFs aren't photo quality, and compression is very limited, so you'd end up with a massive file.

Preferrably Google's VP9 codec, but I don't think that's finalized yet. The point is that this proprietary format is annoying.

Simplest terms. Video compression only saves the changes between two frames.

I'm surprised how many people are confused by the size. If you look at a MP4 movie, it's composed of 30 frames a second. 1800 frames a minute. 108,000 frames an hour. But a 2 hour movie isn't 216000x the size of a single image.

arn

Thank you. That was my assumption, but if you have a photo where nearly every pixel changes from second-to-second, you will get a much larger file. It seems that 2x could be underestimating some of these file sizes.

Doesn't really matter. Features like this just add to the frustration that Apple is continuing to offer 16GB iPhones. Yeah, yeah... reason, reason, reason.... whatever.... they shouldn't have done that.
 
Preferrably Google's VP9 codec, but I don't think that's finalized yet. The point is that this proprietary format is annoying.

But it's not proprietary format really. It's a JPEG and a MP4 file, both of which are playable anywhere else. It's just bundled together in iOS 9 / El Cap in the UI. So it shows the image and optionally plays the MP4 file.

arn
 
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Argh, Apple! Maybe people want to share these things with others. This custom crap means I can only share Live Photos with someone sitting next to me. Would have preferred a high quality GIF or something compatible on most everything.

Also; the iPhone 6S and 6S+ take photos that are 40% larger. That's a decent bump in storage required for each photo.

On top of this, I am unclear how 45 frames are captured and yet only 2X the storage is used for these photos. How can this be?


.... Friends don't let friends by 16GB iPhones
Nice sig... Cough.. Buy.. Cough...
 
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But it's not proprietary format really. It's a JPEG and a MP4 file, both of which are playable anywhere else. It's just bundled together in iOS 9 / El Cap in the UI. So it shows the image and optionally plays the MP4 file.

arn
I suppose it's simple to do the conversion of mov to MP4 during an upload or other share. However, this is a combination of jpg and mov, so there must be a proprietary container for that. How difficult will it be to combine these into a single MP4 file?
 
You just turn on iCloud Photo Library. Not sure other cloud services will save the file rightly.

Yeah but ignoring the pricing of iCloud compare to Amazon Cloud Drive, I want to have more control on my files. I want to have a local copy I can access quickly on LAN, especially videos. Hopefully there is some kind of standard going forward which would make it easier to back up
 
I didn't say .gif (the file extension). By gif I mean the concept of a short video that loops over again which is what live photos is. It's my fault for not clarifying what I meant.

Either way this isn't a new concept and anyone duped into thinking this is a must have probably buys snake oil

Well, were the hell was it if it isn't new, in the same crap pile the fingerprint scanner was before Apple used it?
Man, I'm tired of this kind of argument
If it "existed" and was so easy, they just had to do fully implement it, and stop half assing like it is usually the case on non IOS devices.
 
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I didn't say .gif (the file extension). By gif I mean the concept of a short video that loops over again which is what live photos is. It's my fault for not clarifying what I meant.

Either way this isn't a new concept and anyone duped into thinking this is a must have probably buys snake oil

What people like about it isn't the concept, but that it's always available.

A smartphone doesn't do much more than a computer can do, but having it in your pocket is what makes it revolutionary. Sure, if I wanted it hard enough, I could set up 3 second videos of things, or find an app that approximated it. But this is frictionless. And if you like that, you get it for free without any change in behavior.

arn
 
And if you like that, you get it for free without any change in behavior.

And if you don't like it, the feature is turned on by default and is forced on you, potentially, unknowingly. It's nice that the feature is there and that it's built into the default camera app. The problem I have is turning it on by default. At the very least, Apple could display a one-time-popup explaining the Live Photo feature and asking if the user wants to have this feature on or off while also informing them that it can be changed later and instruct on how to change that setting.

Again, coming back to 16GB iPhone owners... People won't realize their phone is going to use nearly all of their storage just to store photos. They won't realize that turning off Live Photos could save them half their storage space. Apple has crafted a scenario that forces non-savvy people to find ways to use their iPhones without running out of storage. "Conveniently" there's an iCloud solution for that. Oh... 5GB is not enough to back your new Live Photos? Well, Apple offers upgraded monthly subscriptions for iCloud that will give you more storage.

I don't like the forced-hand options that Apple has setup here. I'm used to Apple "over charging" and taking their sweet time implementing features. What I'm not used to is this sneaky marketing tactic they're using to up-sell people to the mid-tier phones or to upgrade their iCloud to a paid subscription. Apple knows that the low-end iPhone sells the most and they are taking advantage of people. The sad part is that nothing will be done about it. On top of this, people will "praise" Apple for coming out with a larger low-end storage solution next year. But hey! Apple stocks will go up next year because of it and that's what's important here...
 
Let me guess, you get some perverse sense of pride when you see mega iPhone sales numbers vesus other manufacturers.

If you think iPhone upgrades are lame now as all they are doing is stealing ideas from everyone else, can you imagine what it would be like if they had to think for themselves, make their own chips, make their own screens etc..

*sigh*

Yes... I actually AM one of those old enough to remember Apple as the scrappy little underdog & get a "perverse" amount of pride that the company I kept doggedly backing got there 1st to the mobile market continues to make the lion's share of profits. It makes me happy for them & proud/pleased of my own decision.

*double sigh*

I actually do NOT think iPhone upgrades are currently "lame" and have the intellect to recognize that when Apple purchases a simple reference design for a chip, then HIGHLY customizes it in house, tying in tight integration with things like their (also customized) graphics chipset, motion coprocessor, secure enclave, etc... that IS for all intents and purposes "making their own chips".
Same can be said with the 3D/force touch tech... or is that also "stolen tech" in your Bizarro reality??
 
Storage hog aside, anyone else notice the similarity between this feature and the moving/talking paintings in Harry Potter?

No? I can't be the only HP fan here who noticed that.
 
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