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Liverpool FC

OK, so it's Milan in the final, but only by the away goal, they looked vulnerable at the back. :eek:

I'm really pleased that it's Milan in one way, not so in another, either way, we'll 'ave 'em. :D
 
Kato C. said:
Take a few deep breaths... :D

A neighbour (a couple of years from the UK) was over the moon this morning because of the game last night. Apparently his dad took him to a Liverpool championship game when he was 10, and he is now flying back to England to take his aged dad to the game in Istanbul. Really a nice story.


By the way, is anyone following the World Hockey Championships on right now....didn't think so.
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he might be taking him to istanbul, but i highly doubt he will get 2 tickets for the game
 
dunno if this is the best place to post, but a liverpool site is looking for ideas for a redesign etc, and I had to get a few sample sites done for a chance of a web job, so I thought I'd do a mockup. What does everyone think? Any suggestions etc? http://www.usefulindex.com/koptalk/ I also had a go redesigning the logo, but I'm no graphic designer.... http://www.usefulindex.com/koptalk/images/koptalk.png I sent the site the link, but as of yet i've not heard anything.
 
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3-0 at half time, dead and buried.....

Stevie G and Didi Hamann dragged that game back by the scruff of it's neck.

I take back every bad word I've ever said about Vladi Smicer and Jerzy Dudek.

What a game...

I've lost my voice.

GET IT YOU BEAUTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Liverpool FC European Champions 2005
 
Bloody brilliant come back, i nearly left at half time (i am a Arsenal fan) but was a brilliant end. Deserved victory by the scoucers :)
 
HOLY CRAP!!!

THE MIGHTY REDS ARE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS AGAIN!!! NUMBER 5!!!

Haven't stopped shaking!!! Unbelieveable!

GET IN!!!!!!!!

And we get to keep Ol' Big Ears forever!
 
Don't panic said:
Anyone know if everton is going to give up its CL spot to let liverpool play? Is there much pressure on them in the uk in this direction?
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Everton aren't going to give it up and they have no obligation to do so. There are talks ongoing at UEFA.
 
Wes said:
Everton aren't going to give it up and they have no obligation to do so. There are talks ongoing at UEFA.
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I understand they have no obligation, but FA could just decide to do so. That 's what happened in spain a few years ago with Real Madrid and Real Zaragoza. Liverpool will certainly represent them better than everton (no offense to everton fans] as they are the holder.
Wasn't it actually an FA rule until last year?
 
Don't panic said:
I understand they have no obligation, but FA could just decide to do so. That 's what happened in spain a few years ago with Real Madrid and Real Zaragoza. Liverpool will certainly represent them better than everton (no offense to everton fans] as they are the holder.
Wasn't it actually an FA rule until last year?
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As a life long LFC fan I'm still on cloud nine :D

Everton will definitely play in the CL this season. It's been decided. The end.

UEFA are now to meet to decide whether or not to give England an extra CL place. Under the current rules no more than 4 teams from the same league can play in the competition - this is what they'll be discussing in the next couple of days.

I'm pretty sure they allow us entry, BUT I do think it will be in the knock-out stages.

Not ideal, but I'd be happy with that :)
 
andym172 said:
As a life long LFC fan I'm still on cloud nine :D

Everton will definitely play in the CL this season. It's been decided. The end.

UEFA are now to meet to decide whether or not to give England an extra CL place. Under the current rules no more than 4 teams from the same league can play in the competition - this is what they'll be discussing in the next couple of days.

I'm pretty sure they allow us entry, BUT I do think it will be in the knock-out stages.

Not ideal, but I'd be happy with that :)
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I am uneasy about bullying uefa into changing the rules just to please FA. The rules are clear in the sense that there are 4 spots and its up to the League to decide how to allocate them.
FA screwed up and now want UEFA to fix it by rewarding their screw up with an extra place.

I think FA should allow LFC to play and send everton to the uefa cup, however unfair that might seeem to everton. Alternatively they could have LFC play Everton in a pre-qualifier. This would ensure that only 4 english clubs would participate in the CL proper (having 5 would be complicated, unfair to other leagues and Zaragoza in particular and set a bad precendent in changing rule to accomodate powerful teams/leagues).

I hope that the FA changes their allocation procedure for the future. Of course if they get their fifth spot, than this should be extented to all leagues and made a permanent change.
 
Don't panic said:
I am uneasy about bullying uefa into changing the rules just to please FA. The rules are clear in the sense that there are 4 spots and its up to the League to decide how to allocate them.
FA screwed up and now want UEFA to fix it by rewarding their screw up with an extra place.

I think FA should allow LFC to play and send everton to the uefa cup, however unfair that might seeem to everton. Alternatively they could have LFC play Everton in a pre-qualifier. This would ensure that only 4 english clubs would participate in the CL proper (having 5 would be complicated, unfair to other leagues and Zaragoza in particular and set a bad precendent in changing rule to accomodate powerful teams/leagues).

I hope that the FA changes their allocation procedure for the future. Of course if they get their fifth spot, than this should be extented to all leagues and made a permanent change.
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Sadly we (LFC) don't have the political power with our FA that Real Madrid have with theirs.

Everton are in, I see nothing changing that. And to be honest, I'd feel a real injustice for Everton if we were to take their place - we all started with zero points and all knew that we needed to get 4th place or above to get into the Champions League. What I'm trying to say is that we only have ourselves to blame, nobody else should be affected just because we weren't able to reach that goal.

Maybe the FA could have dealt with it better (especially given their comments regarding the possibility of this happening to either Arsenal or Chel$ki last season), but personally I prefer a set target: gain 4th place or above and you've qualified. Definite. No questions.

The FA haven't been great, but more so I feel UEFA have been a little simplistic in their approach. How it could ever be considered to have a CHAMPIONS League, without THE CHAMPIONS to defend it is beyond me :confused:

There is one positive IF they don't allow us entry, and that is that we shall forever be Undefeated Champions ;) :D
 
The rule should be changed quite simply to reflect that the champion always has the right to defend their crown... they're the very first in line to compete in the tournament. If this means someone else (in this case, Everton) gets bumped, too bad.
 
andym172 said:
There is one positive IF they don't allow us entry, and that is that we shall forever be Undefeated Champions ;) :D
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That is very true! :D

I agree with you on all points, and that eventually UEFA should change the rule to allow the champions to defend the title independently of their league performance -and I would extend the privilege to the uefa cup winner- (this would be from the lowest entry point if they don't qualify normally), but i am not sure it should be changed this year on the fly.
truth to be said, all major tournaments (including the World Cup) moved away from automatic holder berth, though i'm not sure why.

I mean, the (new) UEFA CL rules were always very clear: 4 teams max per country, including title defender, selected by the national federation. This has been in place for a while with everyone's blessing and a lot of pressure from thee smaller federations (I am sure that when spanish teams were not awarded 5 spots 3 ys ago, not too many other european teams/leagues complained).

So it was down to the FA to decide. and until a few months ago (and clearly stated last year) the provision that they were 3+1 spots was there. Only very recently they clarified that the premiership was the only deciding factor, and I suspect that there was some degree of political gamble in the sense that they thought they could de facto force UEFA to add one spot if Liverpool won. It looks they might be right in this, but that means someone will be wronged (in addition it offsets the league ranking system in favour of -in this case- england, unless they move to even more baroque point system).

As mentioned in the earlier post, I think the 'less unfair' way (to LFC, everton and the other teams) could be to have LFC enter at the first round, and then simply make it a rule that in the third, when everton is up, they play each other. And then this would become the permanent way to deal with non-qualified title holders. This would ensure no more than 4 english teams (but at least 3 ;)) in the group stage, decided by the field.
Or UEFA could save one (or two) wild card spot to be assigned to the highest uefa-ranked non-qualified team (indipendently of league quota)
What do you think?
 
I think it would be terribly unfair if Everton lose out on the Champions League. All the teams were told in advance the criteria for qualification – and the Toffees met these criteria and fully deserve their place in next years competition. But I certainly agree that Liverpool should be given the opportunity to defend their title. The European Cup has been altered beyond all recognition of what it was originally (a cup contested by European Champions only) into a bloated mess for the benefit of Europe's elite. To deny the European Club Champions entry makes it even more farcical. The only way to qualify should be by winning either your national league or the European Cup itself.

I'd also like to see a return to heavy leather footballs and ridiculously long shorts like they had in the olden days. ;)
 
Jaffa Cake said:
I think it would be terribly unfair if Everton lose out on the Champions League. All the teams were told in advance the criteria for qualification – and the Toffees met these criteria and fully deserve their place in next years competition. But I certainly agree that Liverpool should be given the opportunity to defend their title. The European Cup has been altered beyond all recognition of what it was originally (a cup contested by European Champions only) into a bloated mess for the benefit of Europe's elite. To deny the European Club Champions entry makes it even more farcical. The only way to qualify should be by winning either your national league or the European Cup itself.

I'd also like to see a return to heavy leather footballs and ridiculously long shorts like they had in the olden days. ;)
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you have some point, but it's not true that the criteria were that clear in advance. it was established definitively only a few weeks ago.

also a comment on my own wild card suggestion: this year the first non-qualified is Valencia (ranked #2) followed by Liverpool (#5) so we need 2 spots :)

p.s.: SUBBUTEO!!!!
 
and in future the title holders will be admitted automatically, so we don't get a repeat of this nonsense. I still think that once drawn against Chelsea, the FA just didn't think LFC could win it.
 
evoluzione said:
well, we are indeed in. but seriously, could they (UEFA) have given us anything worse? I'd rather not be in the CL to be honest.

let's hope Rafa gets some transfers sorted prior to the qualifiers...
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I think we need to purchase about 8 players to keep the squad from tiring towards the end of the season, We could end up playing 70 games this season.
 
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