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Need another laptop, have one for work but want personal laptop... not sure if its worth even getting at this point if new ones are on the horizon? I don't see anything definitive for the 13 or 16 so if I have missed that please let me know (only concerned if in the next 3-4 months) - and there's always the screen size game… love the thought of larger, but not carrying it around...
 
 
Need another laptop, have one for work but want personal laptop... not sure if its worth even getting at this point if new ones are on the horizon? I don't see anything definitive for the 13 or 16 so if I have missed that please let me know (only concerned if in the next 3-4 months) - and there's always the screen size game… love the thought of larger, but not carrying it around...
Hi, I’m in the same situation, I currently have my MBP pro 13 2015 and I wanted to upgrade but I also have a ryzen desktop so I think it’s worth waiting a bit longer maybe early 2021. If new macs are good the current ones will devalue a lot, but again that’s only my opinion.
 
Broad question and what's right for one person may not be for others. You've not even really said how you plan to use and what you'd use it for. Comparing the 13 and 16 presents a huge array of advantages and disadvantages. I think of the 16" as a desktop computer that can be moved around relatively easily. The 13 is more of a computer you can take almost anywhere. As for buying now or waiting? We can only speculate what the first ARM based Macbooks will be and when they might appear for sale. While having the experience with ARM based phones and iPads will facilitate the transition. And I'm sure a lot of software is in the process of being ported over, I'd still expect some bumps during the transition. The Intel based Macbooks are a known quantity. If you need a computer now, buy a computer now. If you don't need a computer now waiting will give you the most options. I know it's not a very helpful reply, but there are too many variables here for anyone to give specific advice that applies
 
If new macs are good the current ones will devalue a lot, but again that’s only my opinion.
I think that only high tier models will devalue. For example my friend bought loaded MBP 15 for $2500, and after 1 month 16 inch was released with double the storage and better specs for less money.
If you buy now MBA or MBP for around $1000, there is no space to go below $500-700.
 
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Honest opinion here spiced with some facts:

  1. The only reason you should wait is because you want to. If you need ... I mean NEED a new laptop then go and get one.
  2. I've been on MRs for a decade or more and these questions never get old and users never seem to understand that a computer will devalue the minute you walk out of the store with it. There is no such thing a computer that "holds value" unless it's rare, in great condition, and/or iconic, like the Cube or 20th Century Mac. Our run of the mill MBPs aren't those.
  3. You can always buy a computer now, sell it, then buy another one in a year or so. Even Apple's ARM chips won't make the previous models utterly obsolete.
  4. Lastly, if you wait for the latest and greatest you'll be waiting forever. If a new computer comes out 6 months from now there will always been users who are happy, users who think they should wait, users who don't care and will buy what they need because they need it, and users who won't know one way or the other.
 
Hi, I’m in the same situation, I currently have my MBP pro 13 2015 and I wanted to upgrade but I also have a ryzen desktop so I think it’s worth waiting a bit longer maybe early 2021. If new macs are good the current ones will devalue a lot, but again that’s only my opinion.

see post #2
 
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I'm tempted to buy the 16" now for the 5600m graphics card. I do a lot of photo and video rendering on my 2018 13" mbp and could really use the graphics. Once apple releases their first ARM mac we'll know a lot more about specs and graphics and whatnot. This is happening in the next 3-4 months for sure, as they said it would. Probably worth waiting to see what they do with it.

With that said, I think the first iternation of these new chips will be outdated by Apple quickly. With the ppc to intel transition, the first intel core duo macbooks were significantly less powerful than the second revision core2duo macbooks released less than a year after. So even after apple released this first round, the second round will likely be much better when they have more time to improve them. I believe similar substantial gains were made between the first and second iPad as well.

Pro machines will likely get ARM next year, and then maybe early 2022 for the second revision of those. Those will be the machines to get in my opinion. Pure speculation on my part. Been reading a lot of articles about it though. I'll probably get the 16" in the fall.
 
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With that said, I think the first iternation of these new chips will be outdated by Apple quickly. With the ppc to intel transition, the first intel core duo macbooks were significantly less powerful than the second revision core2duo macbooks released less than a year after. So even after apple released this first round, the second round will likely be much better when they have more time to improve them.

Agree.

Though, it may certainly take more than 3-4 months, at least for the Pro models. While the PPC to Intel transition was initiated by the MacBook Pro/Powerbook line, I think the ARM transition will be done on the MacBook Air and MacMini side first.

Also, you hit the nail on the head regarding my other post. Even after the first ARM machines hit the market there will be users opting to wait even more for yet another update.
 
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Diving more into the details from wwdc20, it really looks like these apple chips are going to blow intel chips out of the water. The GPU is going to be included in the chip and it sounds like it's going to be pretty advanced. Which means the 13" mbps will have decent graphics finally.

Apple is going to crush the market. It's just a matter if you can wait for your particular machine to be released. Most which wont appear for another 8-12 months or so.
 
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I was planning to buy a new laptop this year to replace my 2011 MBP but the ARM announcement at WWDC made me change my plans. I didn’t want to buy the last Intel Mac or the first ARM Mac. Picked up a nice used 2015 MacBook Air. Should hold me for 2-3 years until we see how the ARM transition goes.
 
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Need another laptop, have one for work but want personal laptop... not sure if its worth even getting at this point if new ones are on the horizon? I don't see anything definitive for the 13 or 16 so if I have missed that please let me know (only concerned if in the next 3-4 months) - and there's always the screen size game… love the thought of larger, but not carrying it around...

There will likely be a replacement to the MacBook Air, the 13" MacBook Pro or both. If the former and not the latter, then the odds are decent that the raw benchmarks will still outclass the Intel version of the latter. Suffice it to say, if you need a 13" Mac Notebook, then, unless you have a specific need for an Intel Mac (such as Boot Camp or virtualization of x86 of Windows and/or Linux or Intel only releases of macOS), it makes sense to wait as you won't be waiting much longer (November at the latest).

The only one I'd buy with the safety of knowing that the Apple Silicon transition is not for another year would be the 16" MacBook Pro. There may be a model of Intel 16" MacBook Pro still yet to come (with 10th Gen and updated graphics). My guess is if that's coming, it'll be coming imminently. If such a refresh is imminent, it will only be a modest bump from the current 16" MacBook Pro at best (with the main boost being in the GPU department) as 10th Gen H series Intel processors that ordinarily go into the 15" and 16" MacBook Pros are not much better than the 9th Gen H series currently in the 16" MacBook Pro.

So, in short, if it's the 13" MacBook Pro, wait. If it's the 16" MacBook Pro, get it now if you need it now (or wait a year if you want to be on the Apple Silicon side of the transition).

Being an early adopter to this kind of a transition CAN come with pitfalls. While you will surely get longer support than you will on an Intel Mac, you may still get less support than a more mature Apple Silicon Mac model. Similarly any major Apple product redesigns might entail design defects. The first Intel iMacs didn't have any design issues, but did suffer from being cut off from support quicker than later Intel iMac models. However the first Intel MacBook Pros suffered that fate plus many thermal issues (primarily stemming from the ATI GPU that Apple put in there). It's hard to predict what, if any, issues like that there will be. I'd say the lower end Macs are likely safe in this regard (as, 2016-17 13" MacBook Pros aside, most issues have been with the higher-end systems). But that's just theorizing at this point.


Hi, I’m in the same situation, I currently have my MBP pro 13 2015 and I wanted to upgrade but I also have a ryzen desktop so I think it’s worth waiting a bit longer maybe early 2021. If new macs are good the current ones will devalue a lot, but again that’s only my opinion.

I also have the Early 2015 13" MacBook Pro. I'm looking to buy a 2020 Intel 4-port 13" MacBook Pro, not to replace my Early 2015 model, but to compliment it. The former machine is still plenty good; I just do IT for a living and need a Mac with more RAM and storage to do x86 virtualization with. The point being that if you don't need to upgrade or buy a new machine for a particular reason, then there's no practical reason to.

Also, Mac devaluation doesn't work like that. People still pay tons of money for butterfly Macs despite the keyboard totally sucking. The only reason why certain Mac models might retain their value would be due to the rarity of a much desired feature (such as the 2012 Mac minis having both a quad-core option as well as replacable RAM and storage). You might see the 16" MacBook Pro become such a Mac because it will be the only high-end Intel based Mac notebook introduced after 2015 that doesn't have the butterfly keyboard. I don't know that you'll see the same kind of high valuation on 2020 Airs and 13" Pros (especially considering that between both product lines, that's three distinct products that meet those needs on the lower-end).

I think that only high tier models will devalue. For example my friend bought loaded MBP 15 for $2500, and after 1 month 16 inch was released with double the storage and better specs for less money.
If you buy now MBA or MBP for around $1000, there is no space to go below $500-700.

No, Mac models devalue at the same rate regardless of cost. If you spend $3000 on a 16" MacBook Pro, it will be worth more three years from now than a 13" MacBook Pro that originally cost $2000, but that's because the initial cost was larger to begin with. Check eBay over the course of time and you'll see what I mean.

I was planning to buy a new laptop this year to replace my 2011 MBP but the ARM announcement at WWDC made me change my plans. I didn’t want to buy the last Intel Mac or the first ARM Mac. Picked up a nice used 2015 MacBook Air. Should hold me for 2-3 years until we see how the ARM transition goes.

Buying a last generation Intel Mac will be substantially safer than buying a first generation Apple Silicon Mac from the standpoint of potential quirks. But honestly, both ought to be safe. I'd say that buying an Intel MacBook Air is a bad idea in general (given thermal issues). I'd say that buying an Intel 13" MacBook Pro is a bad idea unless you need x86 and don't have need for beefier processors and graphics; otherwise, it's a bad idea because Apple Silicon replacements are heavily rumored to be right around the corner. I do not feel the same about the notion of buying a 16" MacBook Pro as there's more time to wait, and, for more of the high-end use cases, users will likely want to wait until more software is Apple Silicon native (which won't be as immediate on the higher-end as it will on the lower-end).
 
I think that only high tier models will devalue. For example my friend bought loaded MBP 15 for $2500, and after 1 month 16 inch was released with double the storage and better specs for less money.
If you buy now MBA or MBP for around $1000, there is no space to go below $500-700.
I agree probably not new but used ones I meant, however this all ARM thing is a big gamble if it goes right there won't be any reason to purchase x86 macs, but again we don't know yet for sure how performance is going to be.
 
Here's another thought though. The 2-16 MacBooks came out with just USB-C, butterfly keyboards were failing, people were complaining, and the values of the 2015 models shot up. I am not a big fan of buying the first versions of the MacBooks that come up, there will be a lot of bugs with software and the new processors.
 
Do people really feel a new 13" MBP is about to come out, considering the current model is only 119 days old?

It would be the shortest lifecycle in history wouldn't it?!
 
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My 13" basically has nothing wrong with it. It's 3-4 years old and yet still gets almost 6 hours battery life. Kind of hard to justify buying a 16" just because I WANT one.
 
I have a nice 2019 i9 16 from work. Decided to go another route to keep work / personal separate. I bought a 512 Thunderbolt SSD (Samsung X5) and boot MacOS off of the external for games, taxes, other personal things I don't / can' commingle with work.

I use a different password for thunderbolt encryption on SSD vs internal drive.

Its a great system. The only downside is that there is about a 1/3rd battery hit when I use the X5. That thing is a little heater.
 
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