Re: Re: Wonder if they'll have an "Up To Date" deal
YAY -- we just dropped a bunch on soundtrack last month
YAY -- we just dropped a bunch on soundtrack last month
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Logic Pro 6, Logic Express and Soundtrack 1.2
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tjwett
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According to emagics site the ONLY software they are making now is Logic Pro, and Logic Express. They JUST released an amazing new reverb and updated a bunch of instruments. I was considering buying that reverb, now it's gone. I knew this would happen. Every sit back back and watch Apple destroy emagic. 🙁
Re: Re: Confirmed on emagic.de
actually, the big box msrp is 299, so same price. and im guessing there will be upgrade pricing for those who already own.
tjwett
macrumors 68000
ummmm, i know! that's the bad part. just yesterday it was a standalone plug-in that you could purchase separately, as were all the Emagic software instruments. there are lots of Gold and Audio users out there who would like to buy them, but not spend a grand on this new box. and i feel REALLY bad for anyone who bought ANY Emagic products recently. what a blow!
about the same feeling of finally buying that G4 you dreamt of - just to find that Apple release the G5 two days later...
actually I was bracing myself for any upgrades during MW to the PB I bought in december - lucky me got away with an iLife at $49 😀
it will probably be like 700-750 street price, and more than likely there will be upgrade pricing (possibly something in line with the current competitive upgrade - msrp649/street499.)
Squire
macrumors 68000
Re: Awesome
Same here. I thought, So I go from GarageBand for 50 bucks to Logic for a grand? Now we have some nice middle ground. I wonder, though, if Logic Express is at all idiot-proof. It would be cool if it had a nicer learning curve than the full-blown Logic box. (I heard it's quite tricky to get the hang of.)
Squire
Same here. I thought, So I go from GarageBand for 50 bucks to Logic for a grand? Now we have some nice middle ground. I wonder, though, if Logic Express is at all idiot-proof. It would be cool if it had a nicer learning curve than the full-blown Logic box. (I heard it's quite tricky to get the hang of.)
Squire
tjwett
macrumors 68000
Re: Logic 6 Platinum user
no i'm sure you'll be fine using what you already have. what i'm pissed about is now i don't have the option to purchase Space Designer or any of the other software instruments. if i want them, i have to pay $999. but i already have Logic 6, this whole thing just sucks. i never liked the idea of Apple taking over Emagic, now i know why.
no i'm sure you'll be fine using what you already have. what i'm pissed about is now i don't have the option to purchase Space Designer or any of the other software instruments. if i want them, i have to pay $999. but i already have Logic 6, this whole thing just sucks. i never liked the idea of Apple taking over Emagic, now i know why.
msrp
dude, full details have not been released yet. settle down, you may just end up getting everything for a little more than what Space Designer would have cost you.
lazyrighteye
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Digi001 & Logic Pro/Express?
I currently run Pro Tools LE 6 with a Digi001 on a G4/500. Rock solid... in classic (blah!).
Digidesign has yet to offer Panther support for G4/001 config. They are too slow to adapt, so I'm looking to leave...
Anyone know if I can use my Digi001 with Logic?
I currently run Pro Tools LE 6 with a Digi001 on a G4/500. Rock solid... in classic (blah!).
Digidesign has yet to offer Panther support for G4/001 config. They are too slow to adapt, so I'm looking to leave...
Anyone know if I can use my Digi001 with Logic?
How good is it as compared to Digi's D-Verb? Is it (or any software reverb!) approaching a stand-alone Lexicon unit yet?
tjwett
macrumors 68000
Re: Re: Re: Re: Awesome
it is the "real thing". we own Platinum here but could easily do all our work in Express. most people will never even scratch the surface of Express, let alone have the need for Platinum or "Pro" as it's now called. unless you need to connect to TDM hardware or giant ProTools rigs, Platinum will do little for you creatively. Express supports all the same audio quality and plug-in standards. honestly i would use Express for at least a year before even looking at Pro. just like Final Cut Express can get the job done just as good, unless you need to hook up to hardware and edit actualy film, etc. there are very few people out there that really USE Platinum for all it's worth.
it is the "real thing". we own Platinum here but could easily do all our work in Express. most people will never even scratch the surface of Express, let alone have the need for Platinum or "Pro" as it's now called. unless you need to connect to TDM hardware or giant ProTools rigs, Platinum will do little for you creatively. Express supports all the same audio quality and plug-in standards. honestly i would use Express for at least a year before even looking at Pro. just like Final Cut Express can get the job done just as good, unless you need to hook up to hardware and edit actualy film, etc. there are very few people out there that really USE Platinum for all it's worth.
tjwett
macrumors 68000
well i got to spend a day with one recently and i must say it was damn impressive. not long ago i was blown away by AltiVerb and this seemed to do it all and more. sounded just great. i have heard the D-Verb as well but it was in post in a very dense mix, and i'm more of a composer than an engineer so my ears aren't the best out there. i'm sure a mastering engineer could still spot the difference between hardware and software at this level. i think it would hard to not be impressed though. not sure where you are located but try calling a guitar center if you have one. i saw one running in a nice room over here.
pianojoe
macrumors 6502
Where's the prob?
Since I'm spending 8 hrs/day with Logic Audio Platinum (and did so since 1986, C-Lab Creator 2.0 is the beginning of my upgrade path), I'd like to explain something:
Logic Platinum, or "Pro", is for professional musicians, and those who operate a recording studio. I use it on stage also.
Logic Express is for those pros who don't need the full weight of a big studio. Might (?!) be interesting for the abitious amateur as well. Still, there are incredible features and the not-so-easy-to-grab concept of MIDI and audio hybrid recording, and of setting up your equipment. (What makes Logic so complicated is the approach to create a virtual representation of your studio equipment within the machine. And studio designs vary widely.) There is a learning curve.
Garage Band is for Joe Average. It's easy to handle, but limited (in a way that will not hinder Joe A.). "Hey I can connect this mike and sing to my Mac!" He'll never have heard of a microphone preamp anyway. (The finest microphone I own is $2800.)
Soundtrack, as stated before on this thread, is a video app.
Now, where's the problem? The problem is, as often, Apple marketing. Please don't let the pros explain that they'll create their next big hit with Garage Band. That's crap.
I don't think the pros really know what J. A. needs.
EDIT:
The emagic online store is down right now. We'll have to check out what upgrades they'll offer. In the past, upgrades have been reasonably priced.
Since I'm spending 8 hrs/day with Logic Audio Platinum (and did so since 1986, C-Lab Creator 2.0 is the beginning of my upgrade path), I'd like to explain something:
Logic Platinum, or "Pro", is for professional musicians, and those who operate a recording studio. I use it on stage also.
Logic Express is for those pros who don't need the full weight of a big studio. Might (?!) be interesting for the abitious amateur as well. Still, there are incredible features and the not-so-easy-to-grab concept of MIDI and audio hybrid recording, and of setting up your equipment. (What makes Logic so complicated is the approach to create a virtual representation of your studio equipment within the machine. And studio designs vary widely.) There is a learning curve.
Garage Band is for Joe Average. It's easy to handle, but limited (in a way that will not hinder Joe A.). "Hey I can connect this mike and sing to my Mac!" He'll never have heard of a microphone preamp anyway. (The finest microphone I own is $2800.)
Soundtrack, as stated before on this thread, is a video app.
Now, where's the problem? The problem is, as often, Apple marketing. Please don't let the pros explain that they'll create their next big hit with Garage Band. That's crap.
I don't think the pros really know what J. A. needs.
EDIT:
The emagic online store is down right now. We'll have to check out what upgrades they'll offer. In the past, upgrades have been reasonably priced.
well gee-golly!! this is a great audio offering by Apple... but... when are they going to put together a notation package? I mean, Sibelius is great (but damned expensive), Finale is okay (in a pinch and still damned expensive), but, if Apple is trying to get into the music software biz, there needs to be a solid notation program in there for those musicians who still craft their music by traditional means, not by loops and sequences.
pianojoe
macrumors 6502
I've used Logic for notation for over a decade but I recently switched to Sibelius. Logic is somewhat limited. I still use it for quick & dirty notation jobs, because integration of notation and Midi is great. If you need sheet music AND a good playback, Logic is the way to go.
Keep in mind that Logic used to be a Midi Sequencer. And out of 5 or so ways to view your midi data, one was "score edit". From that point they've come a long way. Still, Logic's primary goal is not professional music typesetting. Don't try to implement everything at once. (Who yelled "Microsoft"?)
my two cents
I *really* love the fact that Apple's pushing music and music creation, I really do. I mean, I WANT the masses to poke around and see what happens when they do (while simultaneously hoping it wont just be remixes of "Oops I Did it Again").
But at the same time, I also hope Apple won't edge other music software-making companies out of the picture. I love Ableton's Live, Propellerhead 's reason, and MOTU's Performer. Hopefully they will all be able to party on the Mac OS w/ no competition from them.
I mean, Adobe HAS dropped Premiere for Mac...
I *really* love the fact that Apple's pushing music and music creation, I really do. I mean, I WANT the masses to poke around and see what happens when they do (while simultaneously hoping it wont just be remixes of "Oops I Did it Again").
But at the same time, I also hope Apple won't edge other music software-making companies out of the picture. I love Ableton's Live, Propellerhead 's reason, and MOTU's Performer. Hopefully they will all be able to party on the Mac OS w/ no competition from them.
I mean, Adobe HAS dropped Premiere for Mac...
Pro Tools
With all this excitement let's not forget that you could just get a Digi 002 rack for 1199. Then you get all the recording and midi interface hardware you could want, plus pro tools comes with it as well as ableton live, reason (adapted), and some others.
So for 200 more you get all the software plus a whole hardware interface.
With all this excitement let's not forget that you could just get a Digi 002 rack for 1199. Then you get all the recording and midi interface hardware you could want, plus pro tools comes with it as well as ableton live, reason (adapted), and some others.
So for 200 more you get all the software plus a whole hardware interface.
