Logic Pro 6, Logic Express and Soundtrack 1.2

[ferrit]

I have a Dual 2 Ghz G5, would be pretty happy I think with Express, but not without Multiprocessor support, that sucks!

Logic Gold 6 has Multiprocessor support and is optimised for the G5 isn't it ??? Might get it a bit cheaper if it's going going gone ;-)

Jon

 

[k2k koos]

logic gold users

Yep, my sentiments exactly here, regardign Logic gold. I've just spend money to upgrade my logic system to the newest Logic Gold OSX 6.3.2 version, an dnow they do this, scrap it all together.

I understand streamlining the product line, but how to upgrade if at all possible, AND, will all the instruments still be available as seperate products? (i am still lusting after the ES2 synth plug in for example...)

 

[tjwett]

Re: Re: wow

Originally posted by SlowX
How do Logic and DP4 compare?

I'm long-time Logic user, I've given DP a try for a few months here and there over the years. Here's my take. DP is great for recording live instruments, a band, drums, etc. Traditional studio recording. Where it has always lacked is in it's support for software synths and plug-ins. Where Logic had VST (and now AU) support which was the most widely used plug-in format, DP uses it's own proprietary plug-in format, MAS. While a lot of the major developers do make MAS plugs for DP, it's no where near as many as you'll find in VST or even AU format. While DP is pretty solid with MIDI it will never compare to Logic's power for dealing with it. Both systems are nice, but for me Logic just makes sense. I work alone, I use software instruments, I rarely record an actual "regular" instrument, and often I need to print scores for people. Also, MOTU is famous for having terrible support. Emagic, on the other hand, have treated me very well for a long time. As an aside, I prefer to work primarily in Ableton Live whenever possible.

 

[tjwett]

Re: logic gold users

Originally posted by k2k koos
Yep, my sentiments exactly here, regardign Logic gold. I've just spend money to upgrade my logic system to the newest Logic Gold OSX 6.3.2 version, an dnow they do this, scrap it all together.

I understand streamlining the product line, but how to upgrade if at all possible, AND, will all the instruments still be available as seperate products? (i am still lusting after the ES2 synth plug in for example...)

it really is awful, i feel for you. i just want emagic to be emagic again 🙁

 

[kanker]

Re: Re: logic gold users

Originally posted by tjwett
it really is awful, i feel for you. i just want emagic to be emagic again 🙁

Just talked to Emagic USA support, and while he said the price wasn't written in stone, the upgrade to pro 6 would be $199 for Plat AND Gold users. Personally, as a Gold user, I'm pretty stoked. He said they would be taking orders in about 2 weeks.

 

[plastree]

Re: Re: Re: wow

Where Logic had VST (and now AU) support which was the most widely used plug-in format, DP uses it's own proprietary plug-in format, MAS. While a lot of the major developers do make MAS plugs for DP, it's no where near as many as you'll find in VST or even AU format.

Newp. DP supports AU. And you can get a wrapper for VST plugs. The major dif between Logic and DP is the interface. DP bears more similarity to Pro Tools, and Logic is, well, Logic, for better or worse. Both have similar capabilities. Logic has the edge in MIDI, but only where complex operations are concerned, like CC patching.

 

[Sabenth]

Speaking from the prospect of buying a new system for the on the road i am curious regarding logic and all the rest of the gang. Dose Logic do VST i am sort of just fresh into all of this stuff at the moment i know a fair bit about cubase but sod all about Logic .

Garage band looks great for noobies too and as for sound track Like someone said before its made formovies and tv..

great job apple year of th emusic

 

[vixapphire]

Originally posted by corey
ummm, its part of Logic Pro

Then pray tell, how do those of us who already have Logic 6 and were considering adding Space Designer and, say ES2, now go about it? I'm not interested in paying $999 for something I primarily already have, nor do I wish to spend money on the B3 or clavinet simulators on offer.

Whatever happened to "mass customization"? I'd rather pay a few bucks extra for the modules I want to add to L6 than have to buy the friggin' thing all over again. Does this mean that the next time I free-update the program (6.4?) that all these instruments will magically appear authorized on my xskey? If so, hallelujah! something makes me think this isn't going to be the case, though... 😕

 

[kanker]

Originally posted by Sabenth
Speaking from the prospect of buying a new system for the on the road i am curious regarding logic and all the rest of the gang. Dose Logic do VST i am sort of just fresh into all of this stuff at the moment i know a fair bit about cubase but sod all about Logic .

Garage band looks great for noobies too and as for sound track Like someone said before its made formovies and tv..

great job apple year of th emusic

Logic does not do VST, but there is a wrapper (VST to AU) available from fxpansion

 

[kanker]

Originally posted by vixapphire
Then pray tell, how do those of us who already have Logic 6 and were considering adding Space Designer and, say ES2, now go about it? I'm not interested in paying $999 for something I primarily already have, nor do I wish to spend money on the B3 or clavinet simulators on offer.

Whatever happened to "mass customization"? I'd rather pay a few bucks extra for the modules I want to add to L6 than have to buy the friggin' thing all over again. Does this mean that the next time I free-update the program (6.4?) that all these instruments will magically appear authorized on my xskey? If so, hallelujah! something makes me think this isn't going to be the case, though... 😕

Apparently it will all be combined in the $199 upgrade. That's a whole lot less than buying spacedesigner alone.

 

[vixapphire]

if they give all that for 199, it's totally killer!

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by macMaestro
Sountrack is for film soundtracks. This is the purpose of Sountrack's existence. Soundtrack's not really a 'pro' music app as far as musicians are concerned. It's for video editors who want to quickly string together loops in time to video footage. Logic has many more facets to it - MIDI editing for example. If you're making soundtracks and don't need the 'pro' musician features that Logic Pro offers, Soundtrack would be the way to go. If you're creating music with your band and you've grown out of GargeBand, you go to Logic.

You are kind of right about Soundtrack. It is aimed at video people, who have next to zero musical knowledge, who want to get away from using pre-produced music (which can very greatly in quality and the good stuff isn't cheap) and can't afford to hire a composer or license the latest pop single (both of which cost much more than the pre-produced music I first mentioned). You're not going to see anyone use Soundtrack to score a feature film, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it used in commericals, documentaries, corporate, and event video. Basically places that can't afford, or who's clients can't afford, to shell out hundreds of dollars (on the low end) just to use 1 song 1 time.


Lethal

 

[tjwett]

Re: Re: Re: logic gold users

Originally posted by kanker
Just talked to Emagic USA support, and while he said the price wasn't written in stone, the upgrade to pro 6 would be $199 for Plat AND Gold users. Personally, as a Gold user, I'm pretty stoked. He said they would be taking orders in about 2 weeks.

hey, that's pretty damn good! ok so i can upgrade from Gold to Pro and get Space Designer and everything? i'm in! wow, maybe i spoke to soon, as usual. very cool. 🙂

 

[tjwett]

Re: Re: Re: Re: wow

Originally posted by plastree
Newp. DP supports AU. And you can get a wrapper for VST plugs. The major dif between Logic and DP is the interface. DP bears more similarity to Pro Tools, and Logic is, well, Logic, for better or worse. Both have similar capabilities. Logic has the edge in MIDI, but only where complex operations are concerned, like CC patching.

i'm aware of the new changes. i was referring to DP in the past but i probably wasn't clear on that. as an aside: got to play with Machfive recently and all I can say is, WOW! it really is stunning.

 

[kanker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: logic gold users

Originally posted by tjwett
hey, that's pretty damn good! ok so i can upgrade from Gold to Pro and get Space Designer and everything? i'm in! wow, maybe i spoke to soon, as usual. very cool. 🙂

Yes tjwett, there is a Santa Claus. Everything is bundled in Pro- all the plugins including EVOC and SD. The one thing I can't seem to find out is what happens to the TDM integration software. Couldn't find any info on it on the Emagic site- maybe that stuff's included as well?

 

[tjwett]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: logic gold users

Originally posted by kanker
...The one thing I can't seem to find out is what happens to the TDM integration software. Couldn't find any info on it on the Emagic site- maybe that stuff's included as well?

there is mention of course of TDM support on Apple's comparison chart bewteen Express and Pro. i assume that will all be in the box. the box....must....have....the box. damn, i was mad about this but now i'm kinda psyched. it does suck still that those happy with Express don't have the option of buying themselves the instruments and plugs without having to upgrade to pro. i know people who are quite happy with Logic Audio who don't want Platinum or Pro but would like to be able to go to Sam Ash and pick up the EVP88 or EXS24, etc, like it has always been all this time.

http://www.apple.com/software/logicexpress/comparison.html

 

[nagromme]

Is the reputation of some Mac users shrieking at Apple before knowing the facts being proven? 😉

 

[Knute5]

After $200, What Else?

Buy more RAM. Logic Pro and a G5 jumped to 4GB RAM will be a killer DAW. Kiss the midi/audio/wallwart cord spaghetti junction goodbye and just make some damn music...

 

[tjwett]

Re: After $200, What Else?

Originally posted by Knute5
Buy more RAM. Logic Pro and a G5 jumped to 4GB RAM will be a killer DAW. Kiss the midi/audio/wallwart cord spaghetti junction goodbye and just make some damn music...

Seriously, when mLan hits it's gonna be the greatest. I imagine a nice little mixer with a Firewire port. All my audio, MIDI, and data traveling down a single cable. No more snakes, wires, 60 cycle hum, patch bays, headaches

 

[dstorey]

after the rebranding of logic to match final cut pro, I wonder why apple didn't go all the way and make it Apple Logic Express and pro. It sseems confusing having all these pro apps, but the last one not hosting the apple brand. It seems the odd one out, especially as the others share a similar box design. Anyone think apple will produce a pro suit with logic pro, final cut pro and dvd studio and shake, and a express suit with final cut express, logic express and maybe a dvd studio express in the future?

 

[GaelDesign]

Re: Re: After $200, What Else?

Originally posted by tjwett
Seriously, when mLan hits it's gonna be the greatest. I imagine a nice little mixer with a Firewire port. All my audio, MIDI, and data traveling down a single cable. No more snakes, wires, 60 cycle hum, patch bays, headaches

I hear ya.

This isn't mLan, but it looks pretty cool anyway:

http://www.mackie.com/namm/onyx.html

CoreAudio support for the FireWire expansion. Not bad. And Mackie's mixers and mic pre's are pretty rock-solid, so this new lineup looks great.

Jared

 

[tortoise]

Originally posted by tjwett
not long ago i was blown away by AltiVerb and this seemed to do it all and more. sounded just great.

The Altiverb sounds very good in a mix (very smooth for the money), but the spaces it creates sound "off" on quiet tracks where you can really hear the reverb doing its thing. I thought it was just me, and then someone else I know who has good ears mentioned the same thing to me one day. The best I can describe it is that it sounds like there are regular dead spots in the virtual 3D space that it is emulating, and not in a natural way. High quality non-sampled reverb engines like the TC M3000 actually make more realistic sounding spaces in my opinion, primarily because the spaces they create do seem to be smoothly immersive in a way that is artifact-y in Altiverb. Again though, for most mixes where you can't discern so much detail in the reverb space it works great.

That said, I can't wait to check out Space Designer. I think the artifact with Altiverb is clearly just an implementation issue, and I've really been looking forward to seeing more of these on the market.

 

[PixelBoy]

ProTools Digi001 & Panther + Surround Sound

For the person who was complaining that ProToolsLE 6/Digi001 doesn't work with Panther:

Actually, it works just fine in my experience. I'm sort of the tech guy for my musician buddy, and I upgraded him to Panther with his Digi001, and he's cranking out the tunes. Working just fine. So while Digidesign in their sphincter puckering glory haven't "certified" it with Panther yet, I wouldn't let that stop you from upgrading. Working in OS-9 must be brutal... yeesh! If you're nervous about it, just install it on a seperate partition or drive and try it out before making the full switch.

As to the new Logic scheme, I'm not sure I like it. It used to be you could buy Platinum for like $700, now you have to spend a full grand... lame. Actually if Apple would just support surround sound in FCP, I wouldn't care less. Its competition all supports surround sound natively in the app, and it's time Apple joined the crowd. Also, Digidesign needs to add surround sound to ProToolsLE... 'cause there's no way I'm going to upgrade to a TDM system just to get surround sound... give us a break.

Please Apple, add surround sound support to FCP. My Vegas and Premiere buddies are laughing at me.

Please Digidesign, add surround sound support to ProToolsLE... all your competition has it.

Think about it. On the Mac, I have to spend $2500 to get good video editing with surround sound and DVD authoring (FCP+LP6+DVDSP). On the PC, I can do them all in Vegas+Architect for $800. Granted the Apple software is IMO superior, but this is a huge price difference to get a feature that should "be there".

 

[h'biki]

Originally posted by tjwett
According to emagics site the ONLY software they are making now is Logic Pro, and Logic Express. They JUST released an amazing new reverb and updated a bunch of instruments. I was considering buying that reverb, now it's gone. I knew this would happen. Every sit back back and watch Apple destroy emagic. 🙁

So just ring up your local reseller/distributor and still see if they have a boxed version for sale?

They don't just suddenly disappear into the aether when Apple restructure's Emagic.

(And personally, $999 for all that is an amazing deal. See what the upgrade price is... Apple obviously isn't interested in reselling Emagic plugins to users of other software. Just bundle it all)

 

[h'biki]

Re: ProTools Digi001 & Panther + Surround Sound

Originally posted by PixelBoy

Please Apple, add surround sound support to FCP. My Vegas and Premiere buddies are laughing at me.

Please Digidesign, add surround sound support to ProToolsLE... all your competition has it.

Personally, I hate doing audio inFfinal Cut Pro. It's a video editing app, not an audio editing app, any surround mixing done in FCP would be purely a scratch mix. That's true of all video editing apps. If you want good quality mixes do em in a dedicated program.

As for ProTools LE supporting surround. It depends on what you mean. With a 002 you could just route the 8 seperate outputs to 6 discrete channels, then mixdown those outputs seperately and import em into a.pack. Its not a huge deal cause you have to export the non-matrixed tracks anyway.

If you want 'surround panning' well, thats a slightly different story, but there are work arounds. BUT most people can't do good stereo mixes - yet they wanna jump straight into 5.1 mixes. WTF? Unless all you wanna do is pump your atmoses through the rear channel... which is easily done with the current state of play.