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Logic Pro 7 & Logic Express Released

I used logic audio (version 4) several years ago, but im used it mostly to compose music. Now i'm looking for a cheap (i'm a student and the discount is good) program that i can use score editor and play the files thru quicktime music synthesizer.

Garageband has eveything i want, except the most important, score editor and midifile support..

Is this what o'm looking for??
edit: yeah, i'm talking about the express version, no the full pro version.
 
aricher said:
I guess this quashes the "ProBand," rumors. $999 is a bit pricey but for pros it's a comprehensive studio solution that's cheaper than most on the market.
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Probably so. Apple's web site is promoting Logic Express as "a step up from GarageBand," which tells me ProBand, if there is such an animal in the works, would have to do something else. I've speculated in previous posts that ProBand might be a soundboard application for live performances.

I don't know where Soundtrack is going to fit into things.

Logic >> Logic Express >> GarageBand

Soundtrack would seem to fall right where Logic Express sits in this equation, and it is marketed more or less the same as Logic Express. Why have both?

EDIT: Also, I just noticed that Apple lists Soundtrack under Pro Applications, right there with Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, Motion and Shake. These five applications all do distinctly different things; Soundtrack really doesn't. I'm guessing Soundtrack will be phased out, though today would have been the obvious day to announce that.
 
Waveburner

tranquility said:
WaveBurner -is- included in Logic pro 7!

It'll directly cut Redbook complient CDs.
They talk about it in the "Complete Music Studio" "features" section.
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Thanks!!! I can't believe I missed that! :)
 
macMaestro said:
Dude, you have this seriously messed up.

Audio Production = GarageBand > Logic Express > Logic Pro

Audio Viewing = iTunes

Video Production = iMovie > Final Cut Express > Final Cut Pro

Video Viewing = Quicktime Player

DVD Production = iDVD > DVD Studio Pro (there's no middle gap as DVDSP addresses both the Pro and Prosumer markets)

DVD Viewing = DVD Player

Image Viewing = Preview (if you insist on including it) > iPhoto

Motion Graphics = Motion (what on earth does it have to do with images? by definition they don't move.)

Text = TextEdit > AppleWorks

Presentations = Keynote
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If you look carefully :) I have merged the players with the products for creation, since though you can play it on a creator application you still need a player for general use.

I believe there will be an Office Suit from Apple and a Wed Development Suit in the works.......thus I have not mentioned QuickTime that deals with Multimedia that will fall into the Web Suit.

Apple is not trying to complicate its application offerings they are trying to fit it into peoples daily life. And as with finance there will prob be an application included in Office...nothing to file your taxes just a basic finance book tracker. That way you can add the tax % for which ever country or state you reside in.

BTW I am not a *DUDE*. take care. :) <--- no harm done. :D

UPDATE Motion is the future of PS and LiveMotion merged into one. You can take video files and make it into still art, there might be an application that combines Motion and iPhoto....however Apple has to be positive that its superior to PS, since once they step on Adobes toes I see no PS 9 in the future if indeed they do this. Same thing goes for Apple Office Suit and M$.

Apple is playing safe, learning from its competitors and BOOM, create something twice and easy to use than the rivals. Innocent Apple I think not LOL. Smart Business Plan, this way they can have better compatibility and development when making changes to the OS and integrate it nicely. Right now they are trying to convert the masses in the industry slowly to they standard....since we already have way too many formats etc.....

So this is a good thing since we are all mving towards open standards, however Apple will be in control.........some people might love it some will hate the M$ approach.
 
cluthz said:
I used logic audio (version 4) several years ago, but im used it mostly to compose music. Now i'm looking for a cheap (i'm a student and the discount is good) program that i can use score editor and play the files thru quicktime music synthesizer.

Garageband has eveything i want, except the most important, score editor and midifile support..

Is this what o'm looking for??
edit: yeah, i'm talking about the express version, no the full pro version.
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I use Logic almost exclusively for notation. I think it's awesome for that, and this from the Logic Express 7 page looks exciting!

Total Score

Songwriters can produce impressive demo songs by incorporating audio recordings, sample-based sounds and virtual instruments entirely on the computer. But users will find it easy to share compositions with other musicians in a traditional way with Logic Express as well, since it now houses the full-featured score editor from Logic Pro, for simply stunning results.
 
This looks like a great release. Will appeal to the amateur and pro, with a reasonable price.
 
Porchland said:
The rumored pro version of GarageBand. Apple service marked "ProBand" a several months back.
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Could mean anything, it doesn't seem likely that its a PRO GarageBand. Apple might have registered the name and dropped the idea since they figured everyone who uses Logic and it also have its own name recognition, so why throw that away...its priceless.

Apple has registered many names and never used them, maybe they are future internal work or contracts for other things. Doesn't mean just because it sports the word BAND it is linked to GarageBand.

Might as well have the name registered and not use it then to not register it and have to use some corny name. :)
 
Very nice. i am glad this is released. i have been messing around with garage band I might pick this up. :p
 
Upgrade

If you purchased Pro 6 within the last 30 days can you get the upgrade free? Anyone know?
 
Diatribe said:
But no rumors for this one... Apple did it again.
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The rumors have been going for months in the OSX Audio world. And there had been a lot of debate on features and whether or not the new instruments would be included with it or sold separately.

fucanay
 
I think the most interesting thing to note about the new Logic's is that under the tech specs, Pro requires the USB port for the XSKey, whereas there's nothing about it under Express's specs...

Does this mean Apple has taken away the XSKey requirement for Express?? That's a big step backwards in copy protection...Logic is still one of the most impossible programs to crack because of the XSKey.
 
Soundtrack is aimed at the video market, where as Logic Express is aimed at audio prosumers. Also, I think Soundtrack lacks some features when compared to Logic Express.

I would probably use Soundtrack, as opposed to Logic Express (even if I was buying it separate from Final Cut Pro), as I am a video person.

Personally, I thought Logic Express/Pro would become ProBand, but seeing as it didn't, I don't know where ProBand would fit in.

As for a DVD app between iDVD and DVD Studio Pro, I'm not sure that will happen. While it might be good (features of DVD Studio Pro without all the control), I think iDVD is on a more mid-level when compared to DVD SP, than say iMovie, which is more beginner, when compared to Final Cut Pro, leaving room for Final Cut Express.

EDIT: Last paragraph.
 
The distributed audio processing and new plugins look pretty cool. Does anyone know where you can find a full feature list? I want to see what midi processors are available.

Also, it's too bad they don't support VST becaue many of my plugins haven't been ported to AU yet and I don't know if they ever will.
 
Nice to see apple simplifying the logic product family to correspond their other line-up. I didn't have too much time to investigate what's new and what makes this version a must-have. Did anyone else go through the documentation?
 
Natron said:
Soundtrack is aimed at the video market, where as Logic Express is aimed at audio prosumers. Also, I think Soundtrack lacks some features when compared to Logic Express.

I would probably use Soundtrack, as opposed to Logic Express (even if I was buying it separate from Final Cut Pro), as I am a video person.
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I don't know Soundtrack or Logic Express well enough to appreciate feature differences, but the applications seem to do the same thing. The fact that one is aimed at video users and the other is aimed at audio users is just marketing; it doesn't explain why Apple would continue to sell Soundtrack if it's functionally equivalent to Logic Express.

Is there a need for both?
 
Porchland said:
I don't know Soundtrack or Logic Express well enough to appreciate feature differences, but the applications seem to do the same thing. The fact that one is aimed at video users and the other is aimed at audio users is just marketing; it doesn't explain why Apple would continue to sell Soundtrack if it's functionally equivalent to Logic Express.

Is there a need for both?
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Soundtrack is really geared toward people who don't play music. That just want to put a bunch of loops together and make songs for films or just for fun.

Logic Express can do far more than that. You could record and mix an entire band with it. recording multiple tracks at once is a big difference. If you need to record a drummer, Soundtrack won't do. It also has support for virtual instruments and I don't think Soundtrack does.

Logic Pro is Logic Express with tons more features. All of the good plugins and instruments. Number of tracks is larger. Etc.

fucanay
 
fucanay said:
Logic Pro is Logic Express with tons more features. All of the good plugins and instruments. Number of tracks is larger. Etc.

fucanay
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Have you or anyone else seen a full list of features. I'd really like to see a list of the midi capabilities. What I see on the website is very limited. I know Logic is supposed to be the king of midi, but there's little focus on Apples website.
 
WOO-HOO!! :) :) :D :D

I am sooo buying this. The new plug-ins look interesting. The interface looks better.

*does cartwheels*
 
It's nice that this offers support for 24-bit/96kHz work. But as far as I know Apple has no products that will let you burn this to DVD-Audio. There are a couple of PC products out there, but nothing on the Mac side.
 
fucanay said:
Soundtrack is really geared toward people who don't play music. That just want to put a bunch of loops together and make songs for films or just for fun.
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I'm currently using Soundtrack as a loop player to compliment Reason via Rewire (I know Reason has its own, but it doesn't allow recording/loads of sh*t Soundtrack can do). I only got Soundtrack because there was a 75% student discount, but now being very tempted by new Logics...

Has anyone else noticed the need for a "free USB port" for copy protection key? Has Apple done this before? (Soundtrack is the only "Pro" software I own, so I'm not very knowledgable in this area) I tend to find my PB's USB ports get quite full when I'm doing music stuff, so presumably the key would only be needed on installation?
 
dontmatter said:
A little off topic, but can anybody tell me what "Protools" is? A guy I know who does a lot of professional recording always talks about it, but I don't actually know what it is. Maybe it's a suite of the pro versions of stuff, versus the "i____" versions of stuff?
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For a start, ProTools are made by digidesign... a maker of things like studio desks. If you want, you can check a demo of it... http://www.digidesign.com/
 
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