From what I understand, Soundtrack was released as an audio/music app to accompany Final Cut Pro. Originally, the only way to get it was to buy FCP, until they released the stand alone version, mainly (I think) for Final Cut Express users. I'd really like to see a feature list comparing Soundtrack and Logic Express.
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Also protools is mainly for Audio and not so much for midi. It does support it better now. You can blow 10, 15, 20K on a protools setup. Digidesign offers protools LE for much less, but it's rather limited.MentalFabric said:
Montserrat said:
Don't know about other Apple products using one, but emagic logic has used the USB dongle for a long while now and it's very effective in preventing unauthorised use.
BTW, it's not only needed for installation - it needs to be connected whenever you are using the software.
fucanay said:
Essentially, then, Apple has four different audio apps with features added as you move up the chain.
Logic Pro >> Logic Express >> Soundtrack >> GarageBand
If I get what you're saying, Soundtrack would fall a few features shy of Logic Express; the main difference is handling of live instruments. If you take away this feature, do you have plain old Soundtrack with a different interface? If Apple dropped Soundtrack and added its loop library to GarageBand, would you be any worse off with GarageBand?
cluthz said:
if you just want a score editor, nothing for recording, then i would look into sibelius, or finale.
Logic is mainly for recording audio or midi, the score editor more of an addition. Sibelius and Finale are score editors and very very complex. They can import midi files, and they can also play your score from a seperate synth. They might be more what you are looking for.
howard said:
Logic's score features are very powerful, granted not as many features as traditional notation programs like Finale. Logic's sequencer makes playing in the score more accurate and having the ability to do audio recording as well is very helpful. I use it 90% for notation and would never go back to Finale.
Now what I would reall like is a discounted price on Logic Express when buying a new machine much like there is with Final Cut Express. I'm about to buy a new machine, and would like to make the jump from Cubase to Logic, and this would make it a bit more affordable for me...
Anybody know if there is a cross-grade price? I haven't seen one.
Anybody know if there is a cross-grade price? I haven't seen one.
Markers?
I noticed in the feature grid that Express doesn't have a "marker track" -- does that mean you can't add markers? That seems strange to me; markers are so essential and obviously not a big deal to program. Or is a marker track something else?
I don't mean to make a big deal of it, but for me, markers would actually be the single most compelling reason to upgrade from GarageBand -- when I'm, say, adding vocals on a guitar track, I always come in at the wrong time and waste a lot of takes. I really need markers so I can mark the chord changes.
I noticed in the feature grid that Express doesn't have a "marker track" -- does that mean you can't add markers? That seems strange to me; markers are so essential and obviously not a big deal to program. Or is a marker track something else?
I don't mean to make a big deal of it, but for me, markers would actually be the single most compelling reason to upgrade from GarageBand -- when I'm, say, adding vocals on a guitar track, I always come in at the wrong time and waste a lot of takes. I really need markers so I can mark the chord changes.
må¥å said:Audio = iTunes > GarageBand > LogicExpress > LogicPro
Video = DVDPlayer > iMovie > FinalCut Express > FinalCut Pro
Optical = DVDPlayer > iDVD > ? > DVDStudio Pro
Image = Preview > iPhoto > ? > Motion
Text = AppleWorks > Keynote > ?
Well it would seem we are still missing some application in this Apple trend. I say we will be seeing a DVDStudio Express, and some other applications. DVDStudio Express will give you greater control over DVD creation and formats than iDVD and not cost as much or have all the features of DVDStudio Pro.
There is my Rumour
How i see it using Apples categories on their site is:
Film
Viewer: Quicktime
Consumer: iMovie Prosumer: Final Cut Express Pro: Final Cut Pro
Video
Viewer: DVD Player
Consumer: iDVD Prosumer: Null [DVD SE?] Pro: DVD Studio Pro
then you've got your Motion and Shake that dont fit in any of these series and don't have a Pro tag attached. What is missing is a 3D app for creating the 3ED content that goes into movies and could be composited with Shake. Apple did not bite when Maya was sold so perhaps something might come of their known support of Luxology - it would be a nice acquisition to compliment final cut pro and shake.
Music + Audio
Player: iTunes
Consumer: GarageBand Prosumer: Logic Express Pro: Logic Pro
with Soundtrack being part of Final Cut Pro and mostly for the film part of the matrix.
Photo
Viewer: any photo app really, but Preview or iPhoto if you must
Consumer: iPhoto [especially post Tiger with core image] Prosumer: null Pro: null
This is a near blank area for Apple, probably very weary of stepping on Adobe's toes. Would be nice if they could buy out Adobe but they are probably way too expensive. A pro photo app would be nice to integrate with the movie stuff also for touching up frames and images etc.
Design
similar to photo but if we include drawing as opposed to photo then we have nothing of note except a viewer, not even a basic app a la Paint [yes that is very basic
]. Again, relying on Adobe or Macromedia for this area. Same could be said for Print, except with Adobe and Quark.Words
Viewer: Preview
Consumer: TextEdit Prosumer: AppleWorks Pro: null apart from Keynote and Filemaker
This could be cut into two categories as most users would probably need more than TextEdit offers, even though it is a nice little app with all the stuff cocoa offers [and Tiger offering more enhancements to the doc capabilities]
Then if you look at web design they don't really have anything except the WebObjects, which still looks stuck in the NeXT days with a lot of its interfaces and the html builder part really needs a makeover. You could look at it like:
Viewer: Safari
Consumer: HomePage [needs .mac] Prosumer: null Pro: Web Objects
It's interesting that Shake and Logic are not in the Production Suite. Could there be other suites on the way that include shake [possibly too expensive] and a Music Production Suite with Logic Pro other tools that offer what Logic lacks. Especially noticeable is that the production suite apps and shake all have similar style artwork which Logic becomes a Apple app and has the black box style look.
If we are going crazy with the wish lists, I'd like to see a video express suite of some sort, a 3D modeller/renderer [possibly through whatever luxology has up its sleeves in that area and renderman]. Apple drawing and
photo apps that make use of core Image, with an i app for drawing.
I'd like to see a iWork suite to replace AppleWorks, and a pro work suite that consists of Document, Keynote, Apple branded filemaker or a nice front end to MySQL/SQLite and a excel type app. The iWork version woul be a cut down versions of each of the app, kind of like how the express apps are. Then i'd like to see WebObjects really updated and not let to rot, with a nice app included to produce web pages with css etc and templates. An express version could remove all the stuff like web services and the advanced Java apps and just leave the html/web page bits.
RStone said:
This would be great news as far as I'm concerned. I currently use Cubase SX on my main PowerMac, but need a second copy as a scratchpad for my 12" PB. The whole dongle protrusion out of the PB doesn't appeal to me much. I'll gladly shell $300 for Logic Express if it doesn't have the crummy dongle.
--JBytes
What about the GUI, is this new?
Someone help me out here, I have no experience with Logic. Is the GUI in this version a departure from version 6? Does it work similar to GarageBand where you can just plonk down audio, stretch, crop and change tempo to your heart's content? (assuming you're using an Apple Loop)
Also, does the "Pro" version look like it's worth an extra $700? I've looked through the feature checklists and can see differences but what are the more significant bullet points?
TIA
Someone help me out here, I have no experience with Logic. Is the GUI in this version a departure from version 6? Does it work similar to GarageBand where you can just plonk down audio, stretch, crop and change tempo to your heart's content? (assuming you're using an Apple Loop)
Also, does the "Pro" version look like it's worth an extra $700? I've looked through the feature checklists and can see differences but what are the more significant bullet points?
TIA
I doubt it. It wouldn't be cost-effective at the low end. At the high end, it wouldn't be an acceptable interface for mixing, although there it could be cost-effective and the interface problem could be solved with external control surfaces. But Apple probably wouldn't be able to offer any advantages over Digidesign's new Venue (which, BTW, starts in the $40,000 range if I remember correctly...).Porchland said:
WM
There is absolutely no way to quantify the MIDI features in Logic. Logic contains a ridiculously comprehensive layer called the Environment which basically allows to to implement MIDI in ways you never dreamed of, to create virtual MIDI devices that will do things that would be virtually impossible any other way (without an ungodly outlay of bread). It's basically more flexible and more powerful as a MIDI platform than all the other apps you could think of put together and then some. The problem is that it's so powerful, that getting your head around it can take a while, but once you get into it, the sky's literally the limit.pgwalsh said:
dontmatter said:
ProTools is the benchmark in audio editing and mixing. Its made by Digidesign and has won many Oscars and Emmys.
Its very intuitive.
CD Burning
So if Waveburner is included with the Pro version how will folks with the Express version get their music on CD?
So if Waveburner is included with the Pro version how will folks with the Express version get their music on CD?
I don't know if it's the benchmark, but it is the industry standard. The advances in computer power and distributed computing are going to give ProTools something to think about - massive amounts DSP for a fraction of the costs of a TDM system, all accessible from any control room in a studio. The next couple of years will be interesting - but will the industry notice.h'biki said:
sagestudio said:
Could you describe a bit more detail as to the first part of that process? I use Digital Performer and have never figured out how to put my midi compositions on CD and am wondering if Logic will be easier to do that on.