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Logic Pro and MainStage Headed to Mac App Store, Boxed Software Discontinued [Updated]

can you please tell me how people are going to download around 40gig of content?????
 
LE v Garageband

bjm2660 said:
If they can sell Logic Pro for less than $200, then I don't see why they need a third option.
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All of the Jampacks and extras for Logic Studio come in around 54GB. I doubt Apple will make those available as a download. These are kind of valuable to people in the recording industry, and losing them diminishes the value of the software (though I'm sure Apple will price the package much lower than the $499 it currently fetches boxed).

If I were Apple, I'd keep Logic Express around and price it at $79 to fit the midpoint between GB and LS. The only real difference between LE and LS is Waveburner, Mainstage, and all the sound effects/instruments. If Waveburner is dumped, and Mainstage is a separate app now, Studio is now effectively Express for all intents and purposes.
 
Give an example of something that supports "Apple doesn't care about pros".

mbrannon47 said:
Yeah.....but it's becoming true. But computers are becoming more and more generalized as everyday people use computers instead of the "pros" who were doing all the content creation back in the 90s okay nevermind I'm way too tired to write this long thing.
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Computers always have been general purpose machines. There is this concept called software that lets a computer do almost anything.
SIMPLY: I really hope Apple keeps developing PRO products... they're great and we love them.
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Apple will continue to, there is little doubt here. However they may not be the machines that pros are use too. Note the word "use" in the previous sentence, many pros are stuck in the past. Take the Mac Pro for example, Apple could drastically reduce that machines size while improving performance. Pros will see a smaller box and cry a river about how Apple doesn't care. It is garbage.
 
So, Microsoft Office, Adobe CS and a couple more massively used apps to go! ;)

The Mac App Store really is so convenient. Easy shopping, low costing, and maybe most importunity: ridiculous easy install... no more serial numbers... no more DVD's that can get lost of broken...
 
So now its the turn of the music business to be told what they need is not what a teenager needs and is therefor now irrelevant. Fanboy chorus in 3,2,1...
 
wizard said:
Computers always have been general purpose machines. There is this concept called software that lets a computer do almost anything.


Apple will continue to, there is little doubt here. However they may not be the machines that pros are use too. Note the word "use" in the previous sentence, many pros are stuck in the past. Take the Mac Pro for example, Apple could drastically reduce that machines size while improving performance. Pros will see a smaller box and cry a river about how Apple doesn't care. It is garbage.
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You either want to post flamebait or you have no MF clue.

Yes, you can hobble on and on how Thunderbolt is just not understood by the industry and could perfectly house all of the external stuff you need.

Or you could just acknowledge the mere fact that some people use PCIe-cards to enhance their PRO computer in specific fields - yes, also in the audio industry.
 
djrod said:
"Apple doesn't care about pros" post in 3,2,1...
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These are the most pointless posts and yet people up-rank them. Why are people so predictable?

Anyway I'm all for download versions as long as they create an upgrade path like with boxed copies rather than paying full price for every upgrade.
 
I'm not sure that true pros are using the Jam Pack content. When I reinstalled Logic on my Mac Pro last year, I didn't even load the Jam Packs and such since I never use them.

I have extensive sample libraries, synthesizers and effects that far surpass most of what is included in Logic Studio and I'm haven't been doing this professionally for some time now.
 
Logic X Retro

Logic X is going indie. It will feature 4-track cassette style recording with a brilliant sound emulation of your favorite cassette multitracks and you can even choose what brand of tape.

If users sell more than 10,000 copies of a track on iTunes, via iCloud, Logic will automatically upgrade you to the Adat pack. 48 tracks with harsh high end and 8 tracks dropping out of sync randomly throughout your session.

if you sell 100,000 copies you get upgraded to the, "I got a record deal" pack, which includes 96 tracks of 2" tape (that's 4 studer's!) the "virtual producer" pack that replays all the parts exactly how you didn't want them played and the "virtual A&R guy" who tells you your song sucks and it needs a stronger chorus and then takes 99% of your profits from iTunes and gives to some guy you'll never meet to spend it on a hookers and blow.
 
wizard said:
Apple will continue to, there is little doubt here. However they may not be the machines that pros are use too. Note the word "use" in the previous sentence, many pros are stuck in the past. Take the Mac Pro for example, Apple could drastically reduce that machines size while improving performance. Pros will see a smaller box and cry a river about how Apple doesn't care. It is garbage.
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lol - you really think that?

Pros start by looking at the specs first, and what they can do with it, and the shape and colour of the box last.

The truth is Apple is pulling out of the Pro software market. I understand it from a business perspective - I just wish they would not keep stringing everyone along and cashing in on the 'Pro' name they invested so heavily in. Logic users - I wish you the best of luck with the next update, and I really hope for your sake it isn't Garage Band Pro.
 
Expect a major overhaul, but don't trash it until you have tried it out.

I have a problem with this because you seem to have already made up your mind that any changes to Logic will be bad. Further you appear to be ready to jump on those changes before you have even experienced them.

The reality is that almost every software package hits a point in its life where development has to stop and the packaged refactored. In part that may mean overhauling the app for new technologies like 64 bit, Cocao, Grand Central Dispatch and a host of other things. It is the nature of the process that things will look different afterward.

Different however does not mean it is any less useful for professionals. This seems to be a common theme with respect to the whining we see in the forums. It doesn't matter if the app is for "professional" use or not, it is the fact that it is different that has people up in arms. At times all it takes is a couple of days orientation to come to grips with the new way. Professionals are too filled with self importance to even consider trying.

guitarman777 said:
Considering what happened with FCPX, I'm glad I upgraded to Logic 9 before this all went down. It'll be interesting to see if the same series of decisions & events happens to Logic. I certainly hope not.

And yeah, that'd be a huge download.
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Apple has little choice but to overhaul apps from time to time. If not they just fall behind to get replaced with somebody else's software. What will happen to Logic is an open question as different managers have different goals and software itself can be in various states of disrepair in an app. In the end don't jump to conclusions about what might happen and further don't dismiss a refactored app out of hand.

As to the huge download that is a problem, but it is also one that Apple has solutions for. Here are a couple of ways Apple could address the mass of data problem.
  1. ICloud. It would be extremely easy for Apple to give users instant access via iCloud. Logic could download data as needed. This could be a huge win for both parties as it reduces Apples bandwidth requirements and easily allows them to expand the offerings. From the users standpoint it would mean that they can get buy with more modest storage <SSDs>. It also means that the user has a wider selection.
  2. They could put the tracks on iTunes and make them available to all apps. Maybe make them downloadable in groups. I actually think this is cumbersome but it does open up the possibility of third part content.
  3. In app purchases / free downloads. This could likewise leverage third party sources.
  4. Drop the data altogether. This would create a revolt of sorts. However in conjunction with one of the ideas above it would allow for third parties to take over.
  5. Snail mail users a box of DVDs.

These are possibilities that come right off the top of my head. I'm certain that Apple has explored others. In the end they will need to address the issue, but there are so many ways to do that I'm not concerned.
 
slithers1 said:
Logic X is going indie. It will feature 4-track cassette style recording with a brilliant sound emulation of your favorite cassette multitracks and you can even choose what brand of tape.

If users sell more than 10,000 copies of a track on iTunes, via iCloud, Logic will automatically upgrade you to the Adat pack. 48 tracks with harsh high end and 8 tracks dropping out of sync randomly throughout your session.

if you sell 100,000 copies you get upgraded to the, "I got a record deal" pack, which includes 96 tracks of 2" tape (that's 4 studer's!) the "virtual producer" pack that replays all the parts exactly how you didn't want them played and the "virtual A&R guy" who tells you your song sucks and it needs a stronger chorus and then takes 99% of your profits from iTunes and gives to some guy you'll never meet to spend it on a hookers and blow.
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I thoroughly enjoyed that.
 
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