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Market Share

I frequent these boards and generally sit back and keep my mouth shut, but there is something I continue to see that bothers me.

Maybe I have this totally wrong, but I don't care if Apple increases it's market share.

One of the reasons Apple is able to be in the position that it is, i.e. cutting edge products, loyal customers, diversifying it's type of products, brick-and-mortar stores, etc. (the reasons why we love Apple) is because it IS a fringe company in the OS world.

Apple computers are not affected by worms, viruses, and the like because there are so few computers out there and it is not worth someone's time or energy. These people are out to get a rise. What, you think they'll be happy pissing off the videography community? No they are going after banks, government, and the very software companies whose products they are using. And it's not because Macs are harder to **** with, these people are quite resourceful.

Apple also has less compatibility issues. Well, there are way fewer Mac-compatible peripherals, and thus, less problems.

The Mac OS runs on Apple Computers, and no one else's, thus narrowing the number of problems, thus better tech support, thus happier customers. They can also make changes in house for there products to run better on their machines, optimizing performance. Once again, happier customers.

These are but few reasons off the top of a relatively new (2+ years), but dedicated Mac user, who is not entrenched in the industry with crazy technical knowledge. I just call it like I see it.

Apple is doing well as a company. They have their ups and downs as a company, but they have millions in the bank, and you know what? They are making great, innovative products all the time. We should be happy that Apple is making things we need and want, and can do so by being a fringe company, not some large international conglomerate that takes 7 years sitting on it's balls to bring their OS into the 21st century.

Here's to 5% and no more; and one happy customer.
 
Re: Market Share

Originally posted by Kitano


...but they have millions in the bank,
... not some large international conglomerate that takes 7 years sitting on it's balls to bring their OS into the 21st century.

Heh yeah they got millions, but freaking Microsoft's got billions.

Sure, but Apple took about twice as long to dish out their replacement.
 
evilsprung - Apple hasn't been working on OS X for 15 years, other companies have (eg. Next) and Apple took their continuing OS development, and moved to a UNIX platform. My guess is that Apple worked on it for around 3-4 years or so. They bought Next in 1997, so they were still developing OS 8 and 9 at the time. Microsoft isn't actively developing another OS (yes, they are developing Yukon, and Longhorn Server, etc.) with Longhorn as their long term project that is behind the scenes.
 
Re: Market Share

Originally posted by Kitano
Apple computers are not affected by worms, viruses, and the like because there are so few computers out there and it is not worth someone's time or energy. These people are out to get a rise. What, you think they'll be happy pissing off the videography community? No they are going after banks, government, and the very software companies whose products they are using. And it's not because Macs are harder to **** with, these people are quite resourceful.

There was an article over how this assumption is wrong. It's how OSX separates the system and user files. I'm sure if Apple had a 98% market share their popularity would increase viruses somewhat, but nowhere near MS level. There are important computers running under Unix based OSes but I never heard about an entire Linux/Unix/OSX/Darwin/ect. having to shut down due to a virus attack. If they do it's probably due to MS machines on the same server and taking up bandwidth. There are probably people now looking for vulnerabilities in OSX/Linux and trying to put viruses out, but can't because of the way they're built.
 
Originally posted by panphage
The BeOS was also supposed to have a database instead of a "normal" filesystem. It, too, failed. They said: too much overhead. From the way they talked about it, no one had tried it before. I myself don't know if the Apple and MS attempts predated the BeOS (1992/3?)

Apple's attempt was around 1985 but I don't remember what it was called. Microsoft tried it in Cairo (Windows NT 4) around 1995. Longhorn won't actually have a database-driven file system but instead a database that runs on top of NTFS that stores user files and data to make searching and remote intigration easier.
 
Ditto Kitano

A couple of thoughts . . .

Personally I don't want Apple's market share for computers to that of the HP's and Dell's of the world. One of the reasons I switched was, in part, because of you who participate in message boards like this one. The Mac community seems to be more educated and refined than that of the PC. I've worked in the technology department in a retail chain for years, and there is no minimum intelligence requirement to purchase a PC (although maybe it'd be better off if there was - I don't think I can handle any more questions about how to download the internet, about Intel's Pendulum or Celrion processors, of if one needs a CD-recorder to record to CDs). With Apple's computers, intelligence is there by default it seems. I don't want millions of people diluting the Mac community with their stupidity. Basically I feel like PC's are for the masses and Macs are for those who know better.
 
Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
Apple's attempt was around 1985 but I don't remember what it was called. Microsoft tried it in Cairo (Windows NT 4) around 1995. Longhorn won't actually have a database-driven file system but instead a database that runs on top of NTFS that stores user files and data to make searching and remote intigration easier.

Btw...Are you on the Microsoft Payroll?
 
Originally posted by Chealion
evilsprung - Apple hasn't been working on OS X for 15 years, other companies have (eg. Next) and Apple took their continuing OS development, and moved to a UNIX platform. My guess is that Apple worked on it for around 3-4 years or so. They bought Next in 1997, so they were still developing OS 8 and 9 at the time. Microsoft isn't actively developing another OS (yes, they are developing Yukon, and Longhorn Server, etc.) with Longhorn as their long term project that is behind the scenes.

I never said that Apple was working on OS X for 15 years, I they were working on their replacement OS for the classic Mac OS for 15 years, which resulted into OS X. Either way it took them 15 years. Sure you can blame it on troublespots and what not for the delay, but the end result is that they took freaking 15 years. So when someone in the Mac community goes bashiing on Microsoft for how long it takes Microsoft to dish out and OS, that person should take a look at Apple first.
 
Originally posted by evilsprung
I never said that Apple was working on OS X for 15 years, I they were working on their replacement OS for the classic Mac OS for 15 years, which resulted into OS X. Either way it took them 15 years. Sure you can blame it on troublespots and what not for the delay, but the end result is that they took freaking 15 years. So when someone in the Mac community goes bashiing on Microsoft for how long it takes Microsoft to dish out and OS, that person should take a look at Apple first.

Remember, personal computers have come along way since 1985. I highly doubt OSX would've run spectacularly on an Apple IIe.
 
Originally posted by Gymnut
Btw...Are you on the Microsoft Payroll?

No, although that would be nice =)
I preferer PCs but I have nothing against Macs and I think both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses. I also don't think it would hurt these forums if someone were to have different opinions... Likemindedness doesn't make good conversation.
 
I know somebody who was running Linux on a Mac SE a few years ago.

Evilsprung- Since Mac OSX is primarily based upon FreeBSD and NeXTStep, Apple didn't have to do most of the work. Apple didn't develop either of those - it just put them together and had the foundation for a new OS. The first version of OSX actually only took a few years to develop.
 
Re: Ditto Kitano

Originally posted by dbally
Personally I don't want Apple's market share for computers to that of the HP's and Dell's of the world.

How would you like cheaper Macs with more and cheaper software? More support for peripherals? More Mac using friends to hang out with? More Macs at work?

More signifcant market share can lead to all of these things and more.
 
Originally posted by benixau
Have you tried ????? :D :D :D

Lol, well to be honest no, but I recall seeing some pics with 10.0 on an SE. Though of course it had an upgraded processor inside.
 
Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
No, although that would be nice =)
I preferer PCs but I have nothing against Macs and I think both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses. I also don't think it would hurt these forums if someone were to have different opinions... Likemindedness doesn't make good conversation.

I understand where you're coming from though I don't happen to find myself perusing PC rumor forums. Yikes, your PC is a dinosaur.
 
Originally posted by yamabushi
I know somebody who was running Linux on a Mac SE a few years ago.

Evilsprung- Since Mac OSX is primarily based upon FreeBSD and NeXTStep, Apple didn't have to do most of the work. Apple didn't develop either of those - it just put them together and had the foundation for a new OS. The first version of OSX actually only took a few years to develop.


I think some of you people are missing the point. I'm talking about the development time that Apple took to develop their next replacement OS for their classic Mac OS. The end result, yes, was OS X. But it still took them 15 years to get their act together to put that replacement out. And if Longhorn is suppose to be that big of jump for Windows as it was for Mac OS, I wouldn't necessarily go ragging on Microsoft for pushing their release till 2006.
 
Well they did upgrade from experimental machines such as Lisa to the II+/IIc/IIe/GS series then again to the first Mac and then upgraded the Mac OS on a regular basis.
DOS/Win3.1 and MacOS. 6.x era-it worked and was absolutely tiny! Mac OS 7.6 (features and stability)was very good around the time Win3.1/Win95 was out. Mac OS 8.1-8.5 (a beautiful GUI) around the Win98/Win98SE era. Mac OS 9.0-9.2 (Speed, reliability) around the WinME(hah)/Win2k era. Then came OSX. Just cause they didn't change the name doesn't mean they didn't improve the OS.

How long did it take MS to shed DOS completely from the OS? Quite some time. Yes, Windows became vastly more complex over time, but so did the MacOS. Obviously there were times when each OS had an advantage in some features. Also each OS had revisions that were either unstable or slow for the average hardware of the day.

We could go back and forth forever debating the various features and which OS was more advanced or more useful. Pretty pointless. Why don't we focus on what we have now and expect in the near future instead.
 
You're damn right its pointless. So why don't some people of the Mac people quit ragging on Microsoft for their delays?

Seriously, who gives a crap? I don't. But every time I come on these forums there's usually some post from some person ragging on Microsoft about either the Longhorn delay or whatever. Heh and it doesn't stop at Longhorn but I digress.
 
most of us use Mac OS version 8 -10.2.somthing there are windows users still using windows 95 and 3.1 poor souls but longhorn can come and go for all i care i have osx and xp both do the job and i am happy not going to jump up and down for the mac osx either iam still learning osx 10.2 .3 can wait another few months so hell with it all windows and Mac can do there jobs right

Longhorn is windows xp stage 2 or 3 ..

i will say this that when i first got my hands on a Mac and OSX i was gobsmaked ive re installed it once just to see what the difince is because i normaly have to re stall xp once every 3 months i like osx installation and i also like xps installation but osx is so much nicer to use and xp is just glory fied 95 -98

osx seems to be a reall improvment i say that now re thinking god sod it ill stick with Mac osx much better 3 years is a long time
 
Originally posted by evilsprung
You're damn right its pointless. So why don't some people of the Mac people quit ragging on Microsoft for their delays?

Seriously, who gives a crap? I don't. But every time I come on these forums there's usually some post from some person ragging on Microsoft about either the Longhorn delay or whatever. Heh and it doesn't stop at Longhorn but I digress.

Well judging by your posts, you seem to give a crap. "People of the Mac people"..hmm....
 
Actually i don't like Microsoft at all.I hate their OS's.

However the hardware for x86 is excellent and you can get "exactly" what you want and you can run any Linux version or BSD you want.

Apple users and Apple community is all about design and the looks of the computers, there are many drawbacks owning a Mac.

1.Less flexibility, you dont have any choices when you want to buy hardware components, Apple users have like 2 graphics cards to choose from, how fun is that?

2.Apple hardware is slooooow and they copy everything from the x86 world like Firewire, USB and everything.....

3.The only good thing about Apple is their OS, OSX.

4.There is no software at all really, there are no good software for receiving digital satellite broadcast channels, there are no good stock broker software like Metastock, there are lots software that Mac doesn't have which make it very handicaped as a productive platform.


I think Apple users are too much design and showoff oriented.

Steve's best move would be to port OSX for x86 hardware....

Everyone is bragging about the G5 PowerMac, it's really nothing special about it, in the x86 world we had AMD Opterons for while and they are much faster than the G5.

Also everyone loves the G5 aluminium case, what is new about that?

Coolermaster have made much more nicer aluminium cases before the G5 was released.


And this stupid thing about one-button mouse with Macs.

I can't really understand any intelligent person defending this crap.

I am afraid MacOSX will go the same way as BeOS if Steve Jobs doesn't port OSX to the x86 platform.
 
just to pick one thing (of many) that caught my mind, before i head off to start my day...

Originally posted by Likvid
2.Apple hardware is slooooow and they copy everything from the x86 world like Firewire, USB and everything.....

maybe take a few minutes to find out who developed firewire, and it's original intent.

http://www.faculty.iu-bremen.de/birk/lectures/PC101-2003/13firewire/history.htm

sorry, that just really popped out at me.

but again, i'm off to the real world..

matt
 
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