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Longhorn pushed back to 2006 ...
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not really. Well sort of.
Microsoft OS's are not being updated, or changed for the better. They are just getting more useless features, and are getting bulkier. I could care less if longhorn took 50 years. Windows '98 SE will forever be the best windows OS.
scem0
you could try, but the problem is that the official beos is closed-source and was finalized back in the beige g3 days, so hardware compatibility may be an issue. there's no harm in giving it a shot.
you may want to keep an eye on the several sourceforge.net projects that are aiming to create an opensource version of the beos with binary compatibility for old be software.
apple actually hired the guy responsible for be's filesystem and i'm hoping that we see a drastically improved version in osx in the near future. i must admit that ms's idea for an sql fs is quite interesting and i hope that apple takes cues from gnome's storage when designing a new fs.
apple also needs to step up the innovation in osx. don't get me wrong, i bleed six colors, but 10.3 is pretty much a refined and streamlined version of openstep. we're still missing some nextstep features that have been around for a decade. quartz, rendezvous, and exposé are incredible, but apple used to put out forward-looking projects like sk8, xspace, and opendoc at a feverish pace (and subsequently killed them for no good reason).
That was part of the "random, unfocused software development" program that's been unfortunately largely canceled
it's a damn shame, those projects were truly visionary. i'd like to correct something in my previous statement: apple should take a hint from itself in incorporating a database filesystem. after doing some research, i found that one of apple's other defunct projects was "project sybil", which provided advanced ui improvements and *gasp* a database filesystem (this is in the late 80s-early 90s). what happened to the days of unhampered creativity where bright young engineers came up with ideas so far ahead of their time that they wouldn't even be incorporated a decade afterward?Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
That was part of the "random, unfocused software development" program that's been unfortunately largely canceled
Random, unfocused software development had its strong points, but only if Apple would follow through on it! QuickTime was one of these projects, IIRC.
BetaMax does provide a better picture than VHS, but I think you hav your formats crossed. I think yer confusing BetaMax (a consumer product) with BetaSP (a professional product). BetaSP is still the standard broadcast quality format, although digital is starting to creep in. I've never seen BetaMax used in a professional environment.
Lethal
Evilsprung, is this the "ragging" of Longhorn you are talking about? You quoted him as saying "how can it take this long to release a new OS?". Note, since he even admitted to not knowing the entire picture in regards as to how Longhorn would change the Windows landscape, this is a pretty open ended statement.
I don't know to what extent your 15 years claim is true. In those 15 years, though, Apple introduced around 7 new OSes, at an average of about one every two years. Meanwhile it seems that in the five years from the release date of XP to the earliest likely release date of Longhorn, Microsoft will have released nothing more than a few service packs. Your comparison between Apple's and Microsoft's developments of their new OS is invalid because Apple concurrently developed their existing OS, while Microsoft is currently not.
For the record, it's not. Apple started work on the first replacement for the Mac OS, Pink, in 1991. Mac OS X was released in 2000--9 years later.
BeOS...
Phil of Mac....
Well I guess Palm or should I say PalmSource cares.....as they bought BeOS and now the upcoming Palm OS 6.0 with its multimedia improvements (along with Palm OS 5.1.2) is based on BeOS or its collaboration on it.
I think whats taking Longhorn so long other than being milked for sour milk, is that this so called support for 3 dimensional displays is causing M$ promblems. That along with the whole underpinnings being rewritten........sure it'll support and have some NTFS file system structure but some new stuff that'll be more database file structure like not unlike what Windows 20003 Server.
Either that or because of so many improvements in OS X with each iteration, M$ cannot keep up with all the copying of features or think up new ideas based or provoked by them.
Phil of Mac....
Well I guess Palm or should I say PalmSource cares.....as they bought BeOS and now the upcoming Palm OS 6.0 with its multimedia improvements (along with Palm OS 5.1.2) is based on BeOS or its collaboration on it.
I think whats taking Longhorn so long other than being milked for sour milk, is that this so called support for 3 dimensional displays is causing M$ promblems. That along with the whole underpinnings being rewritten........sure it'll support and have some NTFS file system structure but some new stuff that'll be more database file structure like not unlike what Windows 20003 Server.
Either that or because of so many improvements in OS X with each iteration, M$ cannot keep up with all the copying of features or think up new ideas based or provoked by them.
@Lethal:
Thanx for clearing that up. I knew it was a subset of the Beta format that sony invented, i just couldn't remember the letters for it (and as such called it BetaMAX just cause people realy do know about that one (well most (should - im 18 and know about it))). All the same BetaMAX was in all aspects, better than VHS.
@Phil Of Mac:
If BetaMAX had become the standard then longer tapes would have been made, same as we now can buy (although who would with the thiness of the tapes) 5hrs VHS tapes.
Microsoft is actually pretty good at developing two OS's at once. There have always been the 9X (fast, low resource requirements, unstable) and the NT (slower but extremely fault tolerant) branches of Windows (until XP came along anyways) and each branch had Os's developed for it concurrently (Windows 3.x/Windows NT 3.5x, Windows 95/Windows NT 4, Windows 98/Windows 2000 (2000 had a LONG developement cycle), Windows Me/Windows XP). Although Microsoft won't be making another new OS alongside Longhorn, the service packs for XP will have some major improvements in them (SP2 is supposed to fix all of our security woes). Apple won't be doing anything other than new .1 releases until 2006 either. Microsoft is also developing other major technologies like a the .NET Framework 2.0 ("Whidbey"), a Visual Studio .NET suite for it, MS SQL Server "Yukon", and Office 2003 (although the latter has been completed now). Maybe, if you're lucky, they've also got a new Office for the Mac in the works =)
Unfortunately, people don't buy products based on what features they might have after they became the standard. I don't buy Macs because I think after they become standard they will have a neural I/O system, I buy Macs because they have the features I want *now*.
I'll believe it when I see it. I haven't heard much talk about that besides buffer overrun exploit fixes.
are you going to tell me that when the format wars were going on VHS had 5hr tapes? don't even try. the fact is that BetaMAX cost more for both the player and the tapes. Macs cost more and thence will not ever gain a majority market.
BetaMAX or mroe accurately (thanx lethal) BetaSP will not die cause the pros use it. Macs will not die cause the pros use it.
Black an White. You buy a product with the hope of continued support and expansion.
Would you buy a Pmac G5 if you knew that it wasnt going to be able to run panther?
What??
To start with, they obviously didn't spend 15 years on it. But, if you insist on playing that number game, then we can start with the firsts generation of windows, which was also around in the 1984 era. So, perhaps we should all rephrase:
"In regards to Longorn, why does MS take 22 years to rebuild Windows?"
No. VHS did have 2-3 hour tapes, which were enough to watch a full movie, however. Betamax did not.
Actually, they developed Windows NT well before that, which was a full rewrite. Longhorn is the third rewrite.
Originally posted by edesignuk
You have my pitty, that must be PAINFUL!
It's actually not that bad... I can use MSN Messenger, surf these forums, and even play some old games like AOE and C&C. Windows XP can be very adaptive if you force it to run on old hardware. Installing XP on a machine with 1 GB of ram will usually make Windows take about 200 MB of it. With my 80 MB box (I just added a whopping 16 MB) it only takes around 60 MB. XP loads certain things into memory depending on how much ram is available and how much that thing is used. My computer just takes a little (ok, a lot) longer to load stuff but after that it's smooth enough to use. On installation Windows XP also adjusts some graphical settings depending on the system it's being installed on, in my case it disabled things like alpha blending and show-window-contents-while-dragging to speed things up a bit. Microsoft isn't lying when they say XP runs on 64 MB =)