Los Angeles Residents Able to Add COVID Vaccination Proof to Apple Wallet

[darngooddesign]

You mean like this guy - Benjamin Franklin?
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you."
That guy kicked ass.

“In 1736 I lost one of my sons, a fine boy of four years old, by the smallpox taken in the common way. I long regretted bitterly and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of the parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it; my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen.”
~Benjamin Franklin

 

[BuffaloTF]

Got anything to back that up? The burden of proof is not on those who think it is a bad idea.

That nobody ever said it wasn't 100% effective? How would I prove that?

Maybe let's start with what the "95" in an N95 mask means. Got any idea? Here's a little more than a hint. It filters out 95% of air particles. Use basic thinking skills to what the remaining 5% means for that mask if you ever thought a surgical or cloth mask would perform at 100% effectiveness.

You're really not interested in having any debate with any sense of intellectual integrity or you wouldn't be asking such asinine questions.

 

[seadragon]

Anyone that is able to but refuses to vaccinate against this pandemic virus is a complete fool and should be treated as such.

 

[Bea220]

That’s a lovely opinion. Thanks for sharing it!

 

[Karma*Police]

Nobody copied Sweden's policy. They were seeing way more deaths than all their neighboring nations, and the king recently declared it a failure. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidn...n-coronavirus-we-have-failed/?sh=15a40b49226a

They place restrictions on home gatherings and businesses alike. It's uncertain right now how dangerous restaurants are. The strip club news is taken out of context; it's part of a push to generally reopen restaurants only in one particular San Diego county, and they stopped enforcing restaurant closures there too. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/strip-clubs-exempt-covid-rules-judge-san-diego-california/ But you know how news headlines work.

The vaccine can help but will only contain the virus if 80-90% of the population takes it. In the meantime there's a 9/11 worth of deaths every day.

Every country eventually copied Sweden’s policy... which countries are still in complete lockdown? They’re all open with some restrictions in place, just like Sweden. Even the WHO did a 180 and declared Sweden as the best Covid model for the world... lockdowns were/are unsustainable.

The strip club is just one of dozens of examples of the arbitrary nature of these lockdowns and restrictions. You don’t need headlines. Just go to any state’s website and look at the Covid restrictions. It’s an arbitrary mess. Even the supreme court agreed it was arbitrary and not based on science.

You talk about headlines and then use the same fear mongering 9/11 comparison used by the media to grab people’s attention. Let’s put that number into perspective... On average, about 3x more people die every day in the US than the total 9/11 deaths. Cancer will kill 2x more people this year than Covid. On average, there are 100K alcohol related deaths every year, and alcohol also contributes to domestic violence, rape and criminal acts, but where’s the outrage demanding its prohibition? There were almost 40K auto fatalities and 4 million needing medical attention from auto accidents in the US last year. But we don’t demand people stop driving. In 2018, there were estimates as high as 1.4MM hospitalizations and 95K deaths from the flu, yet, we didn’t shut down the economy, force people to wear masks, and make people carry proof of vaccination to get on planes. Covid took over 300K lives this year, but did you know that almost 50K take their own lives every year? The point is, a lot of people die every year in many different ways.

I’m not trying to minimize Covid, but it needs to be put into perspective. It’s bad, but not bad enough to destroy the economy and people’s livelihoods (even though the media seems hell bent on doing just that because it’s obviously profitable for them). As one Californian doctor put it, lockdowns are a failure of imagination.

 

[JM]

clean up? i.e. censor? I assume you don't like people shari

No, haha.

I mean all the instant "This is like Nazi Germany" comments that hopefully aren't still being posted. It isn't called for, nor is it proper, to just throw out that statement. It's very flippant and inaccurate.

 

[darngooddesign]

There were almost 40K auto fatalities and 4 million needing medical attention from auto accidents in the US last year. But we don’t demand people stop driving.

No but we do requires vaccinations... I mean seatbelts and airbags and a whole host of preventative safety measures.

And with cancer we have been outlawing or strictly regulating the things we know that cause it.

 

[jimbobb24]

Your math is as bad as your analogies. Global deaths 1.7m. Global cases 81.6m. Then you can increase that number, because Russia just admitted their death rate is 3x what they previously claimed, and China's was underestimated by far more than that. Here in the US, 19.3m cases, and 336k deaths. If people had done the right thing and actually exercised personal responsibility, worn their masks, and socially distanced, hundreds of thousands of people who are now dead would still be alive. While you lose your water and rant about Nazis. The people being careless aren't throwing their own useless lives away. They're throwing away the lives of others. If they lack the shame, the morals, and the personal responsibility to do the right thing on their own, then no they shouldn't expect unfettered freedom to put others at risk. That actually isn't what freedom was supposed to be about. Just in case you think you're being manly and defending your rights, I assure you that the founding fathers would have kicked your ass across the street and into a pillory so fast it would have made your head spin.

This is the great myth people keep repeating ... if only people had been more responsible. Masks and social distancing are a weak mitigation effort to give us time for a vaccine. They do not stop viruses. People are wearing masks. People are doing their best most places. This is a virus behaving like a virus and people believing it only we had done this or that so many would still be alive are living a dream. There might be some difference on the margin but at the beginning experts said if we were perfect the US would have 300k deaths. Well...we are not perfect but our numbers are not far off from what would be expected.

 

[jimbobb24]

Anyone that is able to but refuses to vaccinate against this pandemic virus is a complete fool and should be treated as such.

What if they want natural immunity instead?

 

[jimbobb24]

No...no no no.

I call BS if you’re suggesting you’re a health worker after those comments.

How would I possibly prove this? It doesn’t matter. My position is simple to understand and your being upset by it is just more a sign people are getting more hysterical and less able to think through trade offs in the pandemic

My point is simple. It is not necessary for you to vaccinate against a disease that poses no risk to you unless it will be a risk for your job or someone else you come in contact with. Just get the real disease and develop immunity which is durable.

I have had the first dose of the vaccine because as I said - I work with very sick people. The vaccine was not a big deal (though in the NEJM paper most the stronger systemic symptoms come at the second dose).

 

[jimbobb24]

I have made a few posts on this (it intersects with many of my professional activities) but in general we are never going to require vaccines for travel or all these other scenarios. This disease is just too harmless for that burden. Once enough people get vaccinated or get the disease to get to somewhere near herd immunity and cases fall the hysteria will fall. Once most elderly adults get the vaccine deaths are going to drop to tiny numbers and no one is going to care anymore. Vaccinating the majority of the over 65 population will probably be done in the next 3-6 months.

 

[hagar]

My point is simple. It is not necessary for you to vaccinate against a disease that poses no risk to you unless it will be a risk for your job or someone else you come in contact with. Just get the real disease and develop immunity which is durable.

How can you work in healthcare and claim getting a vaccine is not needed? Why would you be so careless and recommend getting the real disease when it has wrecked havoc all around the world and caused 1.8 million deaths? Why are you saying the real disease develops durable immunity when there are proven cases of reinfections? If you truly worked in healthcare you would know that not vaccinating does create a substantial risk for other people than yourself.

 

[farewelwilliams]

How would I possibly prove this? It doesn’t matter. My position is simple to understand and your being upset by it is just more a sign people are getting more hysterical and less able to think through trade offs in the pandemic

My point is simple. It is not necessary for you to vaccinate against a disease that poses no risk to you unless it will be a risk for your job or someone else you come in contact with. Just get the real disease and develop immunity which is durable.

I have had the first dose of the vaccine because as I said - I work with very sick people. The vaccine was not a big deal (though in the NEJM paper most the stronger systemic symptoms come at the second dose).

CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e4.htm?s_cid=mm6937e4_w

121 deaths of people under the age of 21.
25% of the 121 deaths did not have an underlying medical condition.

I hope your medical training and expertise can explain that.

 

[coolbreeze]

Is this Nazi Germany (mandatory ID cards - not anything else ! ) ?


Happy to have vaccines but needing to provide documentation to go about your daily life is insane (especially given the <1% mortality rate).

Biiiiingo.

"slippery slope" as they say.

I understand some people like having a god-like authority to manage their lives, but it's a dangerous direction, IMO.

Masks are like shirts now...we will have to wear them forever.

What's next?

No thank you. Nobody cared about diseases until this fiasco. Now everyone is an armchair epidemiologist insisting a little piece of cotton over your face will save the .03% of lives that are "taken" (the data is highly questionable). And if you have a different thought on it, you are a Nazi racist or something. It's weird how civil discourse and just a basic conversation about why (from either side) morphs into some hatred filled opposition. What's happening to civil society?

I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

 

[seadragon]

What if they want natural immunity instead?

Then they face the consequences (restrictions) of such a foolish decision.

 

[currocj]

And yet somehow voter ID is oppressive, racist, xxxxphobic, blah blah blah.

Not a single enlightened commenter responded to this one. Wonder why?

 

[darngooddesign]

No thank you. Nobody cared about diseases until this fiasco. Now everyone is an armchair epidemiologist...

Including those who think they know more than actual virologists who say that masks not only help reduce the spread, but also lessen the severity of your infection by reducing the viral load you are exposed to.

insisting a little piece of cotton over your face will save the .03% of lives that are "taken" (the data is highly questionable).

The current total mortality rate int eh US is 1.7%, world-wide 2.1%.

And if you have a different thought on it, you are a Nazi racist or something.

Well there certainly is a pandemic of hyperbole.

 

[Frantisekj]

Is this Nazi Germany (mandatory ID cards - not anything else ! ) ?


Happy to have vaccines but needing to provide documentation to go about your daily life is insane (especially given the <1% mortality rate).

Yeah, and here it begins.... Orwell should become new required reading. Instead yellow star people will get crossed vaccine sticker.

This is completely of our IT talks here but we all know it is important.

My colleague told me nice quote.

Vaccination so safe you have to be forced to take it for illness so dangerous you have to be tested to know you got it.

We all have free will so use it. We all will face the results.

Two days I was seeing one document human civilizations. It reminded me one important finding. My quote:

While many or majority think our civilisation is ascenting it is in long term decline that si on its beginning.

 

[darngooddesign]

Two days I was seeing one document human civilizations. It reminded me one important finding. My quote:

While many or majority think our civilisation is ascenting it is in long term decline that si on its beginning.

Every civilization is both improving and declining, it really just depends on how many "This is just like Nazi Germany" claims you can make.

 

[iGeneo]

Here is a question for the people that oppose showing a proof of vaccination.

How do you feel about showing a negative test result? Not vaccine, but a current negative result?

 

[farewelwilliams]

How would I possibly prove this? It doesn’t matter. My position is simple to understand and your being upset by it is just more a sign people are getting more hysterical and less able to think through trade offs in the pandemic

My point is simple. It is not necessary for you to vaccinate against a disease that poses no risk to you unless it will be a risk for your job or someone else you come in contact with. Just get the real disease and develop immunity which is durable.

I have had the first dose of the vaccine because as I said - I work with very sick people. The vaccine was not a big deal (though in the NEJM paper most the stronger systemic symptoms come at the second dose).

Speaking of just getting the real disease, Republican Congressman elect and 41 year old Luke Letlow just died from COVID. There were no underlying conditions. The doctor said it was purely COVID related.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1344143900940767233

You sure you still want to stick with that story?

 

[danny842003]

but I thought masks and socially distancing worked??

Why don’t you understand nearly a year in to this thing that these are reductions measures not cures?
Or do you just like parroting this **** for some reason?

 

[danny842003]

Speaking of just getting the real disease, Republican Congressman elect and 41 year old Luke Letlow just died from COVID. There were no underlying conditions. The doctor said it was purely COVID related.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1344143900940767233

You sure you still want to stick with that story?

even if you survive there’s mounting evidence to show a bad dose of COVID has the potential for life changing impacts.
Orangeman said it wasn’t bad when he pretended to have it though.

 

[QCassidy352]

This story might be of interest to those who think covid is a hoax or not a big deal:

Bodies pile up, patient care falters as COVID-19 devastates L.A. County hospitals

L.A. County hospitals hit breaking point: 'No one would believe this is in the United States'

www.latimes.com

Ambulances taking patients to waiting rooms because the ERs are full. Covid patients flooding the trauma ward because there's nowhere else to put them. Trauma victims not be resuscitated by paramedics because they're nowhere to put them. Morgues full. A patient dying in the hospital hallway.

There's a scene in Stephen King's The Stand that's basically exactly this, but this isn't a horror novel; it's happening right now, today, in the biggest county in the richest country in the world.

 

[siddavis]

That nobody ever said it wasn't 100% effective? How would I prove that?

Maybe let's start with what the "95" in an N95 mask means. Got any idea? Here's a little more than a hint. It filters out 95% of air particles. Use basic thinking skills to what the remaining 5% means for that mask if you ever thought a surgical or cloth mask would perform at 100% effectiveness.

You're really not interested in having any debate with any sense of intellectual integrity or you wouldn't be asking such asinine questions.

No, that these draconian measures help reduce spread.
My point being that if you want to apply restrictions (many of which have their own economical and health consequences), the burden of proof that they are effective is on you, not others to show that they are not effective.
We live our lives every day with risk calculations and determine FOR OURSELVES which we are willing to take or not. I've had it with people deciding for me.