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How about the ones who can't be vaccinated? It's why those people rely on herd immunity. That's the danger to others justification comes back.
It’s been interesting reading this thread, awful hearing of the horrendous story I replied to earlier though...

I’ve seen comments stating that one person’s right to swing a fist, etc, ends at the other person’s face. Where does the rights of those who cannot be vaccinated, converge with the rights of people who do not want to be vaccinated? Are they treated equally when it comes to travel and attending events etc? Are both sets of people banned from doing these things? This is a complicated situation and a slippery slope when people are being required to be injected with a vaccine.

Also, where’s the evidence to suggest that being vaccinated prevents you from carrying the virus? As I understand things, it’s unknown if those vaccinated can still be carriers. I’d assume they can, given that a lot of infected people are asymptomatic. I’ve read that 1 in 5 who have COVID-19 don’t have any symptoms but something more recently suggested that 86 percent of people who tested positive for COVID-19 were asymptomatic.

 
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Yup . Nazi Germany all over again but rolling out on a global scale. Except for instead of Jews the so called anti-vaxers (people who question things and care about their health) are labeled and denied service. Oh and shamed to hell as well.
Wow. What happened to the Jews is in no way the same as you having a choice to get a vaccine or not. I think those people have suffered enough (and continue to) because people like you trivializing their experience.

The non-stop "my rights, my rights" is getting ridiculous. You're not that special.

If you dont want it, dont get it. If the rest of society thinks it's worthwhile and you dont want to participate or play by rules, that's fine too. Enjoy your guns and cabin in the woods.

If you're going to go down the path of government overreach, pick something more modern like maybe China.
 
Sorry we're stepping on your inalienable right to infect and kill people you may not even know.

If 100% of the population were enthusiastic about getting vaccinated and believed in science, we wouldn't need things like this. Instead, about a third of the population is desperately clinging to superstition and deliberate misinformation, often belligerently, and are ruining things for everyone (and, you know, getting tens of thousands of extra people killed in the process).
even stated by Fauci, getting the vaccine doesn't change what you've been doing. Still wear a mask and socially distance. Also stated that they aren't sure that you can still get it and spread it with the vaccine. Same people that said if you have a friend or family member that gets it, that you don't need to get tested unless you have symptoms. Yet, of course you can pass it on to others being asymptomatic. so yeah this "science" you speak of isn't consistent with what you're wanting everyone to believe.
 
The non-stop "my rights, my rights" is getting ridiculous. You're not that special.

If you dont want it, dont get it. If the rest of society thinks it's worthwhile and you dont want to participate or play by rules, that's fine too. Enjoy your guns and cabin in the woods.

If you're going to go down the path of government overreach, pick something more modern like maybe China.
again, what happened to "my body, my choice"?

the same china that everyone defends except trump? that china?
 
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Remember HIPAA?

Back when we viewed medical knowledge of one's body as DEEPLY PERSONAL information?

Amazing, how quickly a crisis throws out our rights.

I understand HIPAA isn't technically violated. The point is that HIPAA's protection of medical information isn't very useful if one has to surrender said info to "to access flights, concerts, and more".
HIPPA was one of the worst things to ever happen in US Health care. Adding Billions in costs that all of us pay.
 
How am I going to be exposed in the restaurant if I've already said I'm not going in?

I must be doing something right, I haven't had a cold of any sort in over 2 years. Feel free to direct your self righteous indignation at the person staring you in the mirror.

Why don't you go ahead and post your full immunization records here, so we can make sure you're all up to date. You might infect someone with measles with your selfish behavior.

And wrong again! Don't use cash unless I have to, been doing that for many years.
Your selfish behavior will limit your dining, event and travel options in the near future. Good on you

My records are between me and the authority that requests them, if Spain asks for records, I will gladly provide, I will follow the rules of society for the good of all

Enjoy living in a tiny little self imposed box
 
going to be difficult convincing anti vaxxers to get one
This is the only situation the anti-vaxxers are right. I work with some high risk people - I got the CV19 vaccine. But unless you work with high risk people or are high risk there or have high risk family there is no reason to get the vaccine. This is a disease that is weirdly deadly to the elderly and nearly harmless in the young. Just get the real disease not the vaccine.
 
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Nobody is disputing that it is more deadly than what we have endemically now. What people are saying is the response is disproportionate to the situation. However, if you look a little deeper into the statistics, there's more nuance to it.
330,000 perfectly health people did not died this year because of it.

But excess death has occurred, absolutely, and some of those preventable. But consider the additional non-covid deaths that will be caused or have been caused by the cause of action taken. Increased mental health issues, increased poverty, increased unemployment will all make large long term effects, decreasing life expectancies for a lot more than 330,000.
According to data from JHU the deaths are not excess deaths. There were no excess deaths in the US in 2020. That’s weird but that’s the data.
 
Your selfish behavior will limit your dining, event and travel options in the near future. Good on you

My records are between me and the authority that requests them, if Spain asks for records, I will gladly provide, I will follow the rules of society for the good of all

Enjoy living in a tiny little self imposed box
vaccine to dine in a restaurant AND I still have to pay for that experience? people will go elsewhere. businesses will just hurt themselves.
 
Again, where has anyone said they want to go around freely infecting people??

As mentioned in another post, Proof of vaccination is not the same as proof of infectious status. It has yet to be determined if the vaccines stop you being a carrier.
Of course they stop you being a carrier. Just like getting the disease. This is the case for all viral vaccines. CV19 is not magic. It will follow the same behavior as other viruses until dramatically proven otherwise.
 
Hopefully the "wife who is taking chemo" was fortunate not to have been shut out of all services during the hysteria. Many, many folks have postponed elective procedures and checkups that could have revealed cancers and other illnesses because of the level of public fear. Such cases have been ignored by the big media outlets, sadly.
Estimations by cancer societies predict 2 million world wide deaths from delays in care secondary to CV19. Everything has a price and with CV19 we were extremely simplistic in our calculations.
 
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vaccine to dine in a restaurant AND I still have to pay for that experience? people will go elsewhere. businesses will just hurt themselves.
I don’t see restaurants requiring vaccines, they will likely practice distancing and likely mandatory contact tracing.

Proof of vaccination will likely come from sporting events, concerts and travel
 
I don’t see restaurants requiring vaccines, they will likely practice distancing and likely mandatory contact tracing.

Proof of vaccination will likely come from sporting events, concerts and travel
bc you can't get it at a restaurant but magically will at a concert or sporting event lol classic.
 
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*cough* ~3% mortality rate in the US.

You already need an ID to do a lot of things like travel, have a medical appointment, drive (your id is in the system which any plate scanner references, go to age restricted events, rent something, go to a university, pick up something you have reserved, vote, etc.
You are quoting two different numbers. One is the identified cases which is about 3% (except in the incompetent North East US) and the other assumes cases untested which given 40% of people are asymptomatic could be a large group.
 
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