That’s nonsense. That’s not how the immune response works. ~50% of people develop an immune response after the first dose.
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Los Angeles Residents Able to Add COVID Vaccination Proof to Apple Wallet
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If a restaurant follows guidelines, It helps. An event with 50-100,000 people? Good luck! The current problem with restaurants, dining in or out is that people are mixing bubbles. “Hey Susie, lets grab lunch at the tea room patio... it’s safe because we are outside” Yet... one of the people has a bubble where people have been exposed...
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Also true. You just seem to think someone said “100% effective” when no such claims were made. When the reality is, all anyone ever said was they help minimize the spread.
Sweden’s policy is what every country ended up copying to some extent, including their neighbors who criticized it. Their policy was fine, as can be seen by the drop in infection rates to almost zero a couple of months ago. Just because it spiked recently along with the rest of the world doesn’t mean their policy failed suddenly... it has more to do with human behavior, weather, and the virus coming in waves.
According to a recent NY study, restaurants accounted for 1.6% of infections and household gatherings accounted for almost 80%, yet they continue to place severe restrictions on businesses... Strip clubs can remain open but restaurants can’t allow indoor dining?? There’s good reason why people are confused, suspicious and pissed off with their government... not to mention the hypocrisy of the lawmakers who are breaking their own laws! Also, if we know that household gatherings is the main reason for the spread, lockdowns will only make things worse, as was theorized earlier this year when lockdowns weren’t working as expected.
I’m all for the greater good, but not when it has no basis in science, or common sense, for that matter. Further, the public can’t keep financing our own future away by spending trillions. It’s great for politicians who are literally buying people’s votes, but they’re destroying the country in the process.
Don’t forget, in 1968, air travel was a luxury affair, car ownership was about 1/3 of what it is today, and the lower population meant people were more naturally socially distanced. And here’s the good news... Covid definitely has an end in sight. Vaccines will be plentiful soon and rate of infection has been going down, not up, and the mortality rate has declining since the outbreak began.
Your math is as bad as your analogies. Global deaths 1.7m. Global cases 81.6m. Then you can increase that number, because Russia just admitted their death rate is 3x what they previously claimed, and China's was underestimated by far more than that. Here in the US, 19.3m cases, and 336k deaths. If people had done the right thing and actually exercised personal responsibility, worn their masks, and socially distanced, hundreds of thousands of people who are now dead would still be alive. While you lose your water and rant about Nazis. The people being careless aren't throwing their own useless lives away. They're throwing away the lives of others. If they lack the shame, the morals, and the personal responsibility to do the right thing on their own, then no they shouldn't expect unfettered freedom to put others at risk. That actually isn't what freedom was supposed to be about. Just in case you think you're being manly and defending your rights, I assure you that the founding fathers would have kicked your ass across the street and into a pillory so fast it would have made your head spin.
I asked this of another poster who talked about a slippery slope but didn't get an answer: where do you think this "slippery slope" leads, and why do you think that?
You could argue that requiring vaccinations in public schools was the start of a slippery slope, but that's been going on a long time now without any "slipping." Just because we agree to Step A, which makes lots of sense and is a very minor intrusion, doesn't mean we necessarily have to or will agree to Step B, much less Steps X Y and Z. There's no reason we won't can't finer distinctions about what is acceptable and what isn't.
Just FYI, the vaccines have about 95% effectiveness at preventing infection and 100% effectiveness at preventing severe illness. It is not currently known if the 5% who get infected despite the vaccine can transmit.
And yet somehow voter ID is oppressive, racist, xxxxphobic, blah blah blah.
Understood and 95% is incredible. My problem is this idea that you must continue extreme measures that have socioeconomic ramifications after vaccinations. Asymptomatic spread is a myth and is just another tool used for control. If you are not sick, you are not contagious. Let's stop the nonsense.
Got anything to back that up? The burden of proof is not on those who think it is a bad idea.
You mean like this guy - Benjamin Franklin?
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you."
That guy kicked ass.
What happened to the left's: My body, My choice? A woman can snuff out a life but I can't go to a concert/flight/etc if I don't inject my body with the fastest vaccine every produced (without animal testing, pregnant woman testing) in history using a completely new method, mRNA, when my natural immune system is perfectly capable of the same immunity since I am relatively young and healthy?
clean up? i.e. censor? I assume you don't like people shari
Maybe this article should have just never been posted.... Hope the Mods have their week free to cleanup this thread. 😬
I'm waiting a generation.
That's how long it takes to be certain this doesn't alter my future daughter's eggs (i.e. my grand kids). Yup, only until that data is out will I take this experiment. I take all the precautions, I work from home. I sanitize and likely by then there will be the natural remedy: herd immunity. I take all the normal vaccines (i.e. not anti-vax), this one is special/new on many levels.
I will be freely choosing to avoid every business that requires this including flying if it comes to that.
This is insane and the book 1984 and Ministry of Truth become more real every day.
Have fun with your experimental untested vaccines!
No...no no no.
I call BS if you’re suggesting you’re a health worker after those comments.
Nobody copied Sweden's policy. They were seeing way more deaths than all their neighboring nations, and the king recently declared it a failure. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidn...n-coronavirus-we-have-failed/?sh=15a40b49226a
They place restrictions on home gatherings and businesses alike. It's uncertain right now how dangerous restaurants are. The strip club news is taken out of context; it's part of a push to generally reopen restaurants only in one particular San Diego county, and they stopped enforcing restaurant closures there too. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/strip-clubs-exempt-covid-rules-judge-san-diego-california/ But you know how news headlines work.
The vaccine can help but will only contain the virus if 80-90% of the population takes it. In the meantime there's a 9/11 worth of deaths every day.
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Los Angeles County residents who receive a COVID-19 vaccination are able to add a digital record of their vaccination to the Apple Wallet app, reports Bloomberg.
The county is partnering with Healthvana to add the vaccination proof to the Wallet app on iPhone. Healthvana is a patient platform that healthcare providers can use to deliver COVID-19 test results to patients.
The vaccination record helps to ensure that those who have been vaccinated receive their second shot in the two-dose procedure, and in the future, Bloomberg speculates that it could be used as proof of vaccination to access flights, concerts, and more.
For the time being, the Wallet vaccination record will alert people who have had their first shot about their second appointment to make sure each person is fully vaccinated.
"We're really concerned. We really want people to come back for that second dose," Claire Jarashow, LA's director of vaccine preventable disease control told Bloomberg. "We just don't have the capacity to be doing hundreds of medical record requests to find people's first doses and when they need to get their second."
Immunizations are also being tracked in registries and those vaccinated receive a paper card, but that card is easily lost so the Wallet app serves as more permanent proof.
The county is planning to send data to Healthvana each night, with information stored on Amazon Web Services' HIPAA-compliant servers. Jarashow told Bloomberg that it's as "safe as we can make it," and that she would "feel comfortable using it."
As of December 22, Los Angeles had administered at least 38,850 doses of the COVID-19 vaccine to health-care providers, residents of long-term care facilities, and paramedics.
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Meanwhile, we only get a torn piece of paper handwritten to show we got vaccinated.
Being third world hurts...
It's like California's 10 p.m. curfew.
Who seriously believes this stuff?
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With all of the uncertainty surrounding this awful disease, conflicting data and ever changing "science" I think that the bottom line is we all have a right to believe what we want and choose to have this vaccine or not.
Life is HARD. It comes with risks... being born is a guarantee you're going to die. Not you nor any entity can control a virus that has already spread this far. Expecting everyone to get in line to get something foreign injected into their bodies without knowing or considering the consequences so you can waive your "I'm a good citizen" piece of paper or your nifty digital Apple Wallet certificate might be considered ridiculous to some. We all have opinions and a right to them. Just because the MEDIA says something doesn't exactly make it true. It's just like reading something on the internet. You can paint a story in anyway you desire but you cannot expect everyone to receive (believe) it without question.
Just keep in mind that people are great at counterfeiting documents and even more so now with today's technology. Do you really think that everyone with a "vaccine certificate" ensures that they actually got the vaccine?
You cannot control something that cannot be contained - you can only choose to believe what you want.
P.S. I regret coming into this thread
Yes. I don't think immune response an on/off state. The 50% whose bodies don't get the virus under control end up eliminating some but not all of it then remain contagious. Generally it's bad to select for the more resistant ones.
What do processes that occur in nature have to do with a man made hacked RNA? We are just beginning to understand how nature deals with error correction in DNA/RNA. This vaccine is made from "printing" trillions of these mRNA molecules, which are not made in nature with the same processes which we dont fully understand. Can you prove without a doubt that the machines making this mRNA dont create a batch of vaccine with a mRNA sequence with a high number of errors? What are the effects when our cells start making this protein with all these errors?
This is new tech period, and cant be compared to anything our bodies do naturally. It has never been tested on a large scale, and definitely not on a GLOBAL scale. Normal vaccines take years to develop, something brand new like this would take a decade to be fully fleshed out with long term effects studied. I hope nothing goes wrong, but what we are toying with is not even the best geneticists understand fully. Id rather take my chances with the real virus than inject myself with this.
No, the mortality rate of confirmed cases is 3%.
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Just checked the latest numbers from JHUoM
Global mortality is 2.1% of infected; US mortality is 1.7% of infected.
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Absolutely. If it were a more transmissible variant of ebola (with a 50%-90% CFR), I'd be singing a different tune. While SARS-CoV-2 is serious, it is important to balance the risks and benefits of various responses. I don't think COVID-19 warrants setting up a mandatory health surveillance infrastructure.
Heck, if we had pandemic ebola, I'd support mandatory contact tracing and forcible quarantine isolation.
There are MANY hospitals telling customers to go somewhere else because their hospital is full due to covid.
My relative needs his gallbladder removed but he doesn't want to risk COVID because he has two very young daughters and the fact that his nearest hospital told him to go somewhere else. so he's living in pain until it's over.
3 pages in and finally someone caught it....I don't see how anyone not seeing this...
I’m out... life will go on.
Bring on the Vaccination pass... the rest of you can stay home, not allowed to play with the adults that actually care about the health of themselves and their communitY.
Bring on the Vaccination pass... the rest of you can stay home, not allowed to play with the adults that actually care about the health of themselves and their communitY.
It's possible that you don't understand how vaccines work.