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Nothing wrong about the way you feel. In fact a lot of apple owners (old timers) are feeling the same way, some what cheated. I said this long ago when I first joined this site. Only to be chewed up by another member. It's okay, it's only the facts. Apple is doing great no reason why we should not have a super fast Mac Mini with better specs or a nice new Mac book pro line.

I have recently started building a PC with all the current specs only because I need it. I'm a Musician. However, that does not mean I will not buy another Mac or jump ship. I love Mac for the O.S. but the hardware stay's a bit behind far to long. Keep in mind with a lot of new Apple Fans joining the band wagon because apple is the in thing (trend) it will only get worse. I've seen it before with The North Face. Updates will come soon, I just hope it's worth all the wait.
 
iMacs, iPhones, and Sony laptops

There's nothing else like having a large-screen iMac on your desk, with a lovely aluminum/white-keyed keyboard. But while I like the hardware, I mostly work in XP running in Fusion. I have the panache of OSX when I want it, and XP available when I need it. Not optimal, but it's a great compromise.
I finally bought an iPhone (3GS) after years of insisting that I didn't want to be available via email when traveling (a stupid position); anyway, I think that the iPhone is a true "killer app" when it comes to hardware, it's the best new thing we're likely to see in our generation... I still can't believe how incredible it is.
As for MBP's, well, I had an MBP 18 months ago, and just didn't like... I prefer Sony laptops. I'm waiting for a (massive) update for the MacBook Air, and I might buy one of those.
 
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While I've been a mac user since the Mac SE days, I down bow down to the alter of apple. Heck all of the arguments that the OP stated have in one form or another been around since apple produced Macs.

I buy a computer to get my work done, with the applications available and the stability of OSX with the lack of viruses its a no-brainer. Its a tool though not something I worship.

Absolutely true. I too, have been using Apple's offerings since the SE and, well, the argument has never changed. I've always had a PC in the house next to my Macs. I remember when I was using a 6100/60AV next to a Pentium 1 166Mhz with a Voodoo 3 2000 card. Hot damn was that sucker fast...but Windows 98 left a lot to be desired. I used the Macintosh computer for real work (school, papers, that sort of thing), and the PC for nothing but gaming. Nothing has changed today, and I now have a Phenom II quad core PC next to my iMac. So, build yourself a PC if you really want to. It is fun and quite entertaining especially if you are going the gaming route, but I always end up coming back to the Mac to do my real, important work. I like keeping those two lives separate.

(no, none of those OS's and specs were typos. We did not have a lot of cash to spare on computers in those days, and what we had was mostly second hand from a friends business)

Edit: A word on updates. I know many people here have been upset about Apple's "lackluster" updates recently. Well, I'm here to tell you it has always been that way. There has never really been an update so incredible that it rocked the business. Notice I said "update", not "new product release". Things like the iMac (original) were incredible to see released, and I do wish there were more of those. But Apple seems to be moving away from computers and focusing on mobile devices, after all Jobs did say "we are a mobile device company". Take that for what you will. Maybe it will take Apple moving into another dark age to come out a reinvented company....for the second time. I may be rambling a bit, but this is for the OP: even the most hardcore Apple devotees are a bit questioning these days. As in, hmm, where is Apple going with this one? But they've never REALLY let us down before (as in gone out of business or stopped selling Macs altogether). In my opinion, Apple seems to be skimming the revenues off of teenagers buying new iPods every couple of months instead of focusing on the Mac, but thats just me I suppose.
 
Maybe its just me but I am starting to lose my faith in the superiority of Apple product. Time was when u bought a Mac you got the best and latest hardware. Now things that I desire are only in PC. Lack of blu-ray which I think the only bag of hurt is the inclusion of blu-ray would make it less likely that folks would buy iTunes content. Also I have been annoyed at lack of and HDMI port so I can just plug it into my TV and watch whatever. What happened to itjust works mantra? Plus I can build a PC with better hardware 1 gig video card, i3, i5 ,i7 processor. What gives? Pay attention to consumer needs. Maybe its just me anyone else feel the same? Gripe here.

Maybe Apple doesn't need "superior hardware" for a "superior product"? :eek:

Just a thought...

Ever try building a PC and having it "just work" - I used to all the time, never again (I just buy HP all built/configured and be done with it).

Most consumers just give Dell a call (or run to the local Wal-Mart).
 
These issues have been beaten to death. I feel if someone wants a powerful Mac then the way to go is Mac Pro and trick it out.
 

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Losing faith? It's just a computer.
My first Mac was a Mac Plus, but most of the time there have been other brands as well including a few home built.

I've used operating systems from Atari TOS to X Windows (nothing starting with Y or Z though) on a regular basis over the years, two notable exceptions being the very good OS 2 and the excellent NeXTSTEP.

Get what you want, you're still free to do that.
 
Is there a time machine type backup for Windows 7?
Cause with all the issues I've been having with OSX on my MBP that's one of the only things keeping me going.
 
For the vast majority of people who use computers, OSX is not very limited. Feature/media rich and easy to use.

MR users are a geekier bunch with higher expectations of hardware/software performance. Apple doesn't cater to us, it caters to the masses. Further, Apple doesn't want every customer - not by a long shot. It wants customers who fit into its business model. You want a mid-range tower? Apple doesn't want you as a customer, and that is okay with Cupertino. The end game is to build what Apple thinks will sell a lot, and be really really easy to use. The more integrated, and sometimes the fewer options, the better.

Yes. And, Tim Cook recently made similar comments, so we have a strong reason to believe this. Apple does not want to have the most market share nor the most revenue (although they seem to be improving on both accounts). Tim has gone on the record to say that Apple has chosen not pursue a lot of good product ideas because it likes to keep the list "small" on what people are working on.
 
I can't help noticing many of you pointing out "losing faith? It's just a tool, it's just a computer".

Well, I believe that when you decide to take the big leap and switch to Apple, faith plays its role. Like it or not, Apple's higher cost is not only initial (when you decide to switch, and buy a underpowered machine compared to a same price PC), but down the road as well; Apple will cost you more when you purchase the Applecare support, when your machine needs service after the warranty expiration, when you purchase an Apple laptop as well, etc. So, faith is needed when you decide that you will be dependent on Apple from now on, meaning you are the target for all Apple's overpriced line of products.
 
Pay attention to consumer needs. Maybe its just me anyone else feel the same? Gripe here.

Apple is paying close attention to consumer needs, but unfortunately YOU aren't in their target market. Meeting YOUR needs, and IMHO the average MR poster's needs, would put them too far down the "bang-for-buck" scale.

This is evidenced by their trend toward "mobile computing". Unfortunately for Mac Power users, that in turn may suggest a time in the not-too-distant future where some kind of iMac is their top of the line, and Mac Pro's and 30"ACD's fall by the wayside as being too small a portion of their market and not returning enough on their investment to pursue. I suppose we should all be concerned, but one bright spot, at least, is that Wiindows does seem to be getting better.
 
"They dont have to worry about hardware because they know 90% of mac users will not go back to PCs for the sheer reason of not wanting to give up OSX"

One problem here is that - since Apple migrated to the Intel processor - more and more folks are going to "go Hackintosh" as it gets easier to install the Mac OS onto Intel systems.

Thus, users may not "give up OS X", but may become VERY willing (and easily able) to give up Apple hardware.

Have you read any of the most-recent guides to installing OS X onto netbooks?

A year ago, it was a complicated and drawn-out process.

Today, it can be done in relatively few simple steps, thanks to some dedicated individuals who have come up with "almost one-click" solutions.

I have no doubts that the entire process will get even _easier_ within the next year or two....

I've been an Apple buyer/user exclusively since 1986, but my sister (totally computer illiterate) asked about getting some kind of a computer for her (email, web, etc.). I think that's going to be a Dell mini 10v with Snow Leopard on it! $249!

For myself, though, I'll wait till the new MacBook Pro's come out, and either buy a new one, or pick up a refurb of the last generation at closeout prices...
 
Being a mac fan, what is more important is the stability and security issue which only mac can offer. I can remember times when I bought a pc with the fastest spec only to find things get slowed down things because I need to buy the latest antivirus to get things safe.

Nowadays I still maintain my pc around and used it once in a while but only to test out certain program which are only available on the platform.
 
"They dont have to worry about hardware because they know 90% of mac users will not go back to PCs for the sheer reason of not wanting to give up OSX"

One problem here is that - since Apple migrated to the Intel processor - more and more folks are going to "go Hackintosh" as it gets easier to install the Mac OS onto Intel systems.

Thus, users may not "give up OS X", but may become VERY willing (and easily able) to give up Apple hardware.

Have you read any of the most-recent guides to installing OS X onto netbooks?

A year ago, it was a complicated and drawn-out process.

Today, it can be done in relatively few simple steps, thanks to some dedicated individuals who have come up with "almost one-click" solutions.

I have no doubts that the entire process will get even _easier_ within the next year or two....

I've been an Apple buyer/user exclusively since 1986, but my sister (totally computer illiterate) asked about getting some kind of a computer for her (email, web, etc.). I think that's going to be a Dell mini 10v with Snow Leopard on it! $249!

For myself, though, I'll wait till the new MacBook Pro's come out, and either buy a new one, or pick up a refurb of the last generation at closeout prices...

I'm not sure why you would recommend an unsupported configuration to someone who in your words is computer illiterate. I can see her calling Apple and telling them, "its a uh, Dell thingy". *phone clicks*
 
I have to say I agree with the sentiment. I go back to a MacPlus in college with a whopping 40 meg hard drive.

I did love the OSX experience, yes I do. I genuinely like my iPhone and my old iBook (girlfriend-owned, now.) However, I am exasperated, too.

I have to upgrade my page-layout setup which is a Gateway Pentium 4 XP. I went with XP because my experience (when buying) in 2002 with using Quark on OSX was horrid -- I had to boot back into OS9 and it crashed in the worst ways. (If y'all have been in the business, y'all remember that.) Yes, my friends acted like I was a Judas for buying a PC -- but at the time for the same price I could buy a 2.4ghz P4 with XP -- rock solid stable -- or 866mhz G4 PowerMac with aforementioned problems. I went with the PC and got my money worth for almost eight years.

Apple has come back in the intervening years and has been an overall better experience. However, the elephant in the room is Windows 7. Windows has finally provided a tolerable interface -- with all problems being what they are. I feel reluctant at buying another PC rig -- I want to support Apple's innovation and "taste" as Bill Gates put it. However, the math of buying an iMac i5 or building a Windows i5 with an Ultrasharp screen is almost even -- but there are uneasy compromises with putting my faith in Apple.

The feud with Adobe and reports of intolerable software crashes are giving me bad deja vu.

This was supposed to be leveled by Apple going to Intel hardware. If their priority is to be an iTunes/iPad/iPhone gadget 'n' service company, more power to them. But some of us want to see some OS love.
 
Do what you want. It's your $$$, and your decision.

I'm in IT for a living, and at the moment my White MB is 2 years old. Definitely not the fastest in the company. However, the 4 laptops we recently bought [Windows 7, Lenovo] are okay, but not noticeably faster than what I have now. They have the same amount of RAM [4GB] but definitely bigger drives, and faster processors. Of the 4, one has already had to be reloaded due to some idiotic registry issue with Office. Nice...uninstalled, removed all remnants, reinstalled, and the only answer was a format and fresh install. Not saying it can't happen on a Mac/OSX...but still...

At the end of the day, I'm still productive, my machine runs well, never had a slow down [runs as good now as it did when I bought it 2 years ago], or any issues...

You get what you pay for.
 
If you have ms office work, or graphics/design/video/3d work, faith plays a massive role in an Apple purchase.

As a pro or semi-pro doing any sort of work requiring real power, Apple is asking a lot of faith. So far, Apple has used up most of it while their powerful tower line is languishing without updates, and they are quickly making enemies with some of the biggest pro-app developers out there - Adobe and Microsoft. One can argue that technologies such as Flash and word processing spreadsheets are changing to be different standards or web apps, but things as powerful as photoshop will not move to a google web app any time soon, and others, like Final Cut/video editors, are not going to move to online versions until decades from now.

Apple's own pro apps (Final Cut Studio) don't take advantage of the superior aspects of Snow Leopard like Grand Central (and I think only Logic is 64-bit), and developers who have programs that are cross platform have very little incentive to take advantage of features that are Mac specific.

I just read an article in 3d world where some developers at Autodesk and Maxon said that Grand Central is awesome, but when you're cross platform, you're pretty much not going to use it because you need to solve those problems in a more platform agnostic way. Some of the other truly creative pro tools, like zBrush, are a constantly evolving product full of innovation. The mac version, unfortunately, often lags behind the PC version for years. That's not Apple's fault, but it's something a pro needs to consider when choosing to invest in a new computer: can it run the latest software? In a world where a new version can literally save you hours or days on projects, or revolutionize the way you work, you need access to the latest and greatest. If that ain't available on the mac, that's something to be seriously concerned about. Often plugins for Maya or C4d are available on the PC first, or not at all on the mac.

So far, there have been a lot of promises of what Mac hardware and software CAN become, instead of wowing us with what is currently available. That's enough to give anyone who needs the best tool for their money pause before making a significant purchase. Most of us have upgraded to snow leopard, but really, what's different about it in day to day use? It has it's good and bad just like previous versions of the OS, and quite a few show stopping bugs.

SL purged PPC code, but that only serves to alienate people with those expensive G5 towers- and tell them what the mac isn't, rather than what it will become.

As far as I'm concerned, I need some serious computing power. I'm going to have to weigh what tools fit in my toolbox. Apple has one more chance to come out with something resembling a prosumer line of their towers that I can afford. If they don't have it, then I have to consider that I don't fit into Apple's business strategy and move.

They will move forward with their consumer products, which really, are good enough for most people despite coming at quite a premium. Meanwhile, people who need to do more than the basics will be forced to look elsewhere and acknowledge that Apple sees more money to be made without taking care of the professional market.
 
If you have ms office work, or graphics/design/video/3d work, faith plays a massive role in an Apple purchase.
Meanwhile, people who need to do more than the basics will be forced to look elsewhere and acknowledge that Apple sees more money to be made without taking care of the professional market.

I completely agree with your point about Apple and the pro market. I am not a professional Apple user, but even I see they are leaving them out in the cold. Apple is too focused on selling iPods to teenagers to be bothered with all that "pro" stuff. It is a shame really, because Apple seemed on top of the world with creative pro's for at least a decade or more.
 
I thought about switching back a few times.

But then I think of the hassles.

There is no hassle bigger than not being able to use the software/tool you need to finish the task. Waiting fruitlessly for some plugin or app to be updated or ported while it is available to use immediately on windows is truly frustrating. Apple's limited hardware offerings are equally frustrating.

I love the Mac, but really, I spend most of my time on my computer using an app, not an OS. The one thing I would miss the most is the wonderful workflow of quicktime - which isn't quite as nice (and not 64-bit) on windows.
 
There is no hassle bigger than not being able to use the software/tool you need to finish the task. Waiting fruitlessly for some plugin or app to be updated or ported while it is available to use immediately on windows is truly frustrating. Apple's limited hardware offerings are equally frustrating.

I love the Mac, but really, I spend most of my time on my computer using an app, not an OS. The one thing I would miss the most is the wonderful workflow of quicktime - which isn't quite as nice (and not 64-bit) on windows.

Yeah not my experience. I find what I need in Mac software and always have WinXP in virtualization to fall back on if ever need it - never have. Ok I did buy Duke Nukem 3d for $2 and revisit the first few levels last year on my virtual XP install. :)

It is a drawback of the Mac (less software,) but it hasn't overrode the drawbacks of Windows for me. YOu find what you need on the Mac.

There's alot more "it just works" on the Mac. More is paid attention to the user experience. And I notice that. I'm sure in Windows I can rig it to do many of the things the Mac does outta the box, but that's one of the Windows' hassles I'm talking about.

I find OSX means less between me and the app I need. Less outside crap I have to deal with.
 
)I find OSX means less between me and the app I need. Less outside crap I have to deal with.

What you describe here is exactly why I love Mac OSX.

Yeah not my experience. I find what I need in Mac software and always have WinXP in virtualization to fall back on if ever need it - never have.

It sounds like we're in different fields, so virtualization is an option for you should you need it. I can't take any speed hits.
 
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