Lost MacBook During Mail-In Repair

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  1. Bananas Ananas macrumors regular

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    I am not sure whether or not Apple reads these forums or if anyone have any information that could help me, but I am just sharing my story as a word of caution to other Apple customers.

    I sent my MacBook Pro (2017, 15", 512GB) to Apple for a warranty repair (fans were making weird grinding noise) in early June (2018). Whoever was the Apple support person who initiated the repair through the chat got my address correctly, but they put someone else's name as the recipient of the laptop despite the fact that I clearly stated my name and address during the initial chat.

    About a week after I sent my laptop to Apple, the repair was complete and they sent it back using FedEx. The label they used to send the laptop had someone else's name on it. The day when laptop was supposedly delivered, according to FedEx, someone else has signed for the laptop and received it. I live in an apartment and asked around my neighbors if they have seen FedEx or anyone signing for the package, but nobody knew anything. FedEx has someone else's signature on file and the name on the delivery confirmation is someone complete stranger to me.

    I contacted Apple support and informed them about the problem. It took them about 7 business days to investigate the matter and the support says that Apple will not do anything due to the fact that someone has signed for the package.

    Later I asked Apple's executive team that will they really do nothing about my lost laptop, and about two weeks later from my initial email I got a call from executive team member restating that the initial Apple support advisor was correct and that Apple will not do anything further regarding my lost laptop. He suggested that I would contact local law enforcement and FedEx about the issue. The very same day I went to talk to officers at my local police department, and understandably so, there is nothing they could do to help me recover a package that, by now, had been gone almost a month ago. Then, I contacted FedEx, and they will not do anything for me because I am not the shipper nor the receiver of the shipment. I am not the receiver because Apple put someone else as a recipient for the shipment. Had there been correct name on the label, FedEx would be able to process claim for me and I would probably get reimbursed for my laptop. Now I am out of my laptop and seems like Apple nor FedEx is going to take responsibility for it.

    Thanks for reading this far. Any comments or advise is greatly appreciated.
     
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    Dam....
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    Sorry to hear that. I would get all my ducks in order. It seems Apple made a mistake. You must get apple as well as Fedex on the same line in a three way convo. I did that a few times when 2 companies were involved in an issue. Keep plugging at it though.
     
  4. redpandadev macrumors regular

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    I'm so sorry to hear what happened. It is clearly Apple's error - proving it is the harder part, I guess.

    Do you have a transcript of the chat when you set up the mail-in? I believe they send you a box to initially mail it out to them, did that box have your correct information?
     
  5. harvest_close macrumors member

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    I so feel for you and hope you can get this sorted.

    It takes quiet persistence.

    Something similar happened to me with the Book Depositary firm. I ordered online, my order was acknowledged but a fowl up happened in the manufacturing of the shipping label. An error was made which resulted in me never receiving the order. The Book Depositary, in the end, admitted the error and made good but I had to keep pressing them. It took almost 3 months.
     
  6. SteveJUAE macrumors 68020

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    Whilst I can understand both sides, surely it's clear that you are the registered owner and originator of the mail in ?

    If this can be proved to Apple then the circumstances and approach should be simpler, just say to Apple you have still not returned my laptop, the fact you know what may of happened is not worth explaining and clouds the issue, just stick to the point the laptop has not been returned to you

    Best of luck
     
  7. Expobill, Jul 6, 2018
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    Any cameras in your apartment lobby?
    Can’t find my Mac be of use?

    I would speak to your apartment manager, maybe they seen tenant in 4b use a MacBook they did not have last month, or heard something. Won’t hurt!
     
  8. borgranta macrumors 6502

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    Maybe you could file a complaint against Apple with the better business bureau
    https://www.bbb.org/losangelessilic...home-electronics/apple-in-cupertino-ca-198239
    Maybe you could complain to Tim Cook's email which he has been known to read and his email can be found on Google.
    This is package theft and the fact that the thief signed for it should not make any difference.
    Since the thief stole the package from your address the loss should be covered by insurance assuming you have it.
     
  9. ondert macrumors regular

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    Omg.. it’s totally Apple’s fault. I hope you got the chat texts on your e-mail. Try to speak with the store manager where you sent your laptop. They are in charge to call for a replacement. Tell him/her that is totally their fault and ask for a new laptop. Be confident, last summer here in Italy it took 1,5 month for a keyboard replacement for my touchbar MacBook Pro and I got 430€ valued accesories from apple store after my compliants.
     
  10. Fishrrman macrumors G5

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    You might consider Small Claims Court.

    I'm not sure what the charge is -- could be "misappropriation of property" or something along that chain of thought. Apple took "property that was yours" and then put it into the hands of someone else. They "appropriated" your property, without permission or compensation.

    If the judge accepts this argument, you may win a judgment from Apple. I'm going to -guess- that they'll decide it's easier to just compensate you than to fight it, and replace the computer.
     
  11. poorcody macrumors 6502a

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    I'm sorry for your troubles... That is one of those nightmares I always worry about.

    One thing I would do is file a police report. Someone obviously took the package that didn't belong to them, which is a crime. Then take the report back to Apple and FedEx -- I think they will take it more seriously then. It's one thing to lie to a company, but filing a false police report is criminal, so they will see how serious you are.

    I know people always say sue and all that, but in this case I think I actually would get a lawyer and have them contact Apple. Ultimately they clearly made a mistake which has cost you not just the cost of the laptop, but the value of all the information you had on it, as well as time to remedy it. Small claims court may be a viable route as well. But give Apple another chance, once they see a police report.

    Good luck!
     
  12. BasicGreatGuy, Jul 7, 2018
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    According to you, Apple printed out an incorrect shipping label. Even though care, custody and control of said package was placed upon Fed Ex upon acceptance of the package by their company, Apple would still be liable as they were the originator of the package. Fed Ex had no way of knowing that the shipping address was incorrect (via recipient name). The only way that Fed Ex would be liable, is if official state verified identification was required with the signature for delivery. If such was the case, (and I am not aware of that being official delivery policy) then Fed Ex would be liable as well as Apple, if they gave the package to anyone else but you, the recipient. Without official release of liability from the intended recipient, Fed Ex drivers are not authorized to hand over the package to anyone else other than the person on the shipping label at said address.

    What you need to do is...

    1) Provide evidence to Apple that you were not home at the time of delivery, nor was any other party authorized to sign for any package from Fed Ex on the day in question. If you were at work, have your company provide written proof you were clocked in and on their property etc. If you were at work, make sure the written company proof has been properly notarized. If you were not at work on the day in question, you need to provide proof of where you were at the time of the alleged delivery. Corroborated time-displayed video evidence would be the best proof. If such is not available, you need to provide written evidence, along with receipts that can confirm you were at place(s) x,y, at the time of the alleged delivery. Such evidence, if any, also needs to be properly notarized.

    2) Provide written evidence to Apple that the shipping label they created and used for the return of your Mac was incorrect.

    3) Provide names and company titles of all person(s) you have spoken with from Apple, starting with the very first phone call to present day. You need to be able to provide a clear and visible chain of events that also shows chain of command.

    4) Provide written evidence to Apple from the apartment complex of your name and mailing address as noted on the lease agreement.

    5) Provide Apple (if so required) with officially issued state ID that can confirm your proper identity and address.

    6) Secure an official receipt of delivery (with signature) by Fed Ex, if you don't have such already.

    7) File a police report.

    8) Provide proof that the name and address provided to Apple was correct.

    If you amass the aforementioned evidence, I don't see how Apple could legally say that they were not liable in any way for the care, custody, and control of your Mac. If you contact Apple with all this proof and they still refuse, send them a final notice in the form of a certified letter (make sure it is addressed to the proper Apple address, department, and person(s) who handle the official receipt of such documents etc.) informing them that you are seeking to be made whole. By whole, it means you are seeking to have back in your possession, a Mac of the same make up as the one sent in for repair. If Apple ignores your certified letter, you can take them to small claims court. Filing in small claims court is less than $100. If you do file, you must make sure to properly and accurately list all defendants a party to the suit. If you need help in this area, seek the advise of counsel. If you don't, your suit could be dismissed for being filed in the wrong jurisdiction, or having the wrong person(s) listed as defendants etc.

    Do not let this go unchallenged. Apple and possibly Fed Ex as well, should be forced to answer for what you alleged to have occurred.
     
  13. negativzero macrumors 6502a

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    It does happen. Sometimes through no one's fault.
    I bought a 2011 MacBook Pro through a friend who was a teacher and could get it at education price. When I sent in the laptop for repair, it was sent back to my friend. Fortunately I am able to collect the MacBook from my friend. They send it back to the billing address unless otherwise stated.
    Was your MacBook purchased by you or someone else?
     
  14. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    The Mac was sent to the correct address albeit the name on the shipping label was not correct.
     
  15. hallux macrumors 68030

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    This is horrible to hear. While it's terrible that it happened, not all fault lies with Apple in this. Bear with me, read below.

    It would be at this point that I would make a phone call and impress upon the person I spoke with that the name on the repair is wrong and it needs to be corrected. I would even consider holding off shipping the device until it's corrected, or even having them cancel the repair and get a new one started with the correct name. If you just accepted that the name was wrong and made no further effort to get the name corrected despite knowing it was wrong you do hold SOME culpability in this.

    I have a hard time believing they will do NOTHING. If you can prove that you are the registered owner/purchaser of the Mac with the serial number associated with the repair, Apple absolutely can pressure FedEx to look into where the device was delivered. If the name on the label was wrong but everything else was correct down to an apartment number there is no reason it shouldn't have been left at your door or you wouldn't have gotten a missed delivery notice, no matter what the name on the label was so there is SOME responsibility on FedEx here and it's on Apple (as the shipper) to impress this upon them.
     
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    Whenever I receive packages from Microsoft through FedEx, I always have to present my ID as proof. So, if its even a wrong name on the package, why wasn't the individual who signed for it required to provide ID?
     
  19. tubeexperience macrumors 68040

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    It's Apple's fault for putting the wrong name on the shipping label.
     
  20. iterva, Jul 7, 2018
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    I agree it’s terrible and must be quite unnerving for the OP.


    With above I agree wholeheartedly. Knowingly (assuming that is what happened based on OP post) sending it away when the name is wrong is to me mind boggling. Like a receipe for disaster.

    With that said, I really do hope OP gets this sorted out! Best of luck!
     
  21. jerryk macrumors 68040

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    I have never had to show ID for any UPS or FEDEX package I signed for at my office or home. Maybe it depends on your location.
     
  22. hellopupy macrumors regular

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    I somehow don't believe this. They made the mistake they should pay for it.

    Escalate
    Escalate
    Escalate

    Write an email to Tim Cook and every VP at Apple.

    Unacceptable.
     
  23. Bananas Ananas thread starter macrumors regular

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    First, thank you very much for all the advice I have received! It gives me hope that maybe I'll be able to get this sorted out one day.

    I do have the original chat transcript that shows that I clearly provided my name and address to Apple support. Once I received the shipping box with wrong name to send my laptop to repair, I called Apple support and they told me that they'll correct it on their end and I can ship the laptop away using that box regardless.

    Thank you for your comment. I'll try to press further with Apple but start all over again in case I'd be lucky and get more understanding support person to look into the issue.

    My apartment building is a big old house converted to several apartment units. Unfortunately we do not have an apartment manager nor cameras. I've tried find my Mac tool on my iPhone but it is unable to connect to MacBook Pro. I used the app to command the laptop to erase all data though if ever connected.

    Thank you for the BBB tip. I filed a complaint today and see where it goes. Unfortunately I do not have an insurance that would cover this kind of incident. The best I can do is to recover $500 through the credit card I used to purchase the laptop.

    The laptop was sent to some big repair facility in Tennessee. If I can find someone's contact in the unit I'll be sure to give it a shot. I do have all the chats stored in my email so at least that is some positive evidence to support my position.

    Thank you for the tip! This might be a great approach as a last resort.

    I'll be sure to file a police report as it will probably help to pursue the matter further. I wish I could go to a lawyer about this, but that might be out of my budget. It will be worth to call a few though and see what they think about the situation.

    I am not sure if I can claim any value for the data I had on the laptop since when originating a mail-in repair I already gave them consent to erase everything if necessary.

    Thank you very much for the detailed advise!

    I'll be sure tho collect all the documentation and try to press Apple harder on the issue and see if they would then give in and help me to get my laptop back or provide me with a replacement.

    MacBook was purchased by me as brand new. The Executive Liaison from Apple told me that the wrong name was a result of someone else entering the serial number of my Mac on Apple's warranty check website. For some reason, this leaves a record on their end that can alter the delivery name. I find this very weird and not sure if I can trust he was telling me the truth.

    Once I received mail-in repair box with wrong name, I called Apple and notified them of the wrong name. They said that they would correct the issue and that I can use that box to send the laptop to repair anyway.

    Apple's argument is that their responsibility ends once the laptop delivery has been signed by someone. I find this silly, but this stance was given by a senior advisor and an executive liaison.

    I believe Apple used lowest level of signature service, which only requires the package to be signed for. FedEx has an option to require direct signature from the recipient and that is probably what Microsoft uses. Had this been the case, I would not have even been able to get the package since recipient was someone else than me, but at least it could have been returned to Apple and issue could have been much easier to sort out.

    I called Apple support about the wrong name in the box and they assured me that it can be still used to ship the laptop and that the name would be fixed on their end. Either way, if I stick to Apple products after this episode I am sure to personally bring my items to Genius Bar rather than using the mail-in repair service anymore.
     
  24. 960design macrumors 68030

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    Just lock it with a passcode and have it notify you if it ever gets turned on and connected to a network.

    Contact the local police lost and found.
     
  25. Expobill macrumors 6502a

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    Speak with the fedex driver, they know everything and everyone
    If your schedule permits.

    I think Apple dropped the ball big time on this, and that don’t care, which is obvious.
    That is why I won’t buy anything from them again.

    Good luck!
     

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