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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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The characters really are what drives the show though. In the first three seasons, half of each episode was dedicated to finding out who these people were. The fate of the characters was the only thing that the writers had to answer, IMO. They were the heart of the show and all that mattered not the mysteries. TPTB have said plenty of times in interviews and podcasts that the show is about this set of people and their stories. I mean, looking at the purgatory place and once the characters realized what had happened, those cut backs to previous seasons moments were so emotional for me. Why? Because I cared about these people, not because of the mystery. It actually meant something for me seeing them reunite and remember their love for one another, that their love was so strong they created this place where they could all meet and move on together. Live Together, Die Alone right?
Did we all watch the same show? What hundreds of huge questions were left unanswered? They may not have been how you wanted them to, but there were answers. I don't get all of these huge questions the writers left unanswered that you guys seem to be so upset about. What didn't you guys get?
While the finale did stand on its own, I don't think you could have watched the finale and it would have hit you the same way. Again, if you didn't have any connections with the characters then it probably was lame, but the 6 year relationship that the audience built with them and they with each other was the payoff here. And of course the story line mattered! The island is what brought them all together. They were (mostly) all living crappy lives and the island gave them a place to become who they were meant to be or better themselves. It was the best time of their life and that's why they created this place, so they could move on together.
It's been an enjoyable experience watching Lost for the last 6 seasons. Am I disappointed at the ending, well, yes and no. The analytical side of me would like for everything to be explained and for there to be "reasonable" answers to all of the questions. But, I understand that this show is not my creation. It's not my story and therefore I don't get to decide how it ends.
That being said, I do understand the frustration at feeling like it was wrapped up quickly and that the flash sideways timeline was a cheap cop out. One poster said something to the effect of feeling like his/her emotions were cheated because they were invested in something that turned out in the end not to matter. Well, isn't that the mark of good storytelling? We all got pulled into the characters, the mysteries, the mythology, etc. There was something in this story that resonated with all of us and therefore we became connected to it and "invested" in how it would end.
Whether you like the ending or not, at least try to appreciate the entertainment value of the ride.
I guess all I have left now is Fringe.
EDIT: Although I must say though, I am completely ticked at how Homer ended the Odyssey. Complete junk and so many unanswered questions. Why does the Cyclops only have one eye, etc. etc.???
That being said, I do understand the frustration at feeling like it was wrapped up quickly and that the flash sideways timeline was a cheap cop out. One poster said something to the effect of feeling like his/her emotions were cheated because they were invested in something that turned out in the end not to matter. Well, isn't that the mark of good storytelling? We all got pulled into the characters, the mysteries, the mythology, etc. There was something in this story that resonated with all of us and therefore we became connected to it and "invested" in how it would end.
Whether you like the ending or not, at least try to appreciate the entertainment value of the ride.
I guess all I have left now is Fringe.
EDIT: Although I must say though, I am completely ticked at how Homer ended the Odyssey. Complete junk and so many unanswered questions. Why does the Cyclops only have one eye, etc. etc.???
^^^ I remember telling my wife that it would be nice if the alternate reality sticks, cause it would be nice that the character's lives wouldn't suck any more and that they may be able to live a better life.
Then I recall thinking *oh crap* when Jack asked his dad "Am I dead?"
So I guess I did have hope that the alternate-reality would stick, but throughout the season it did look more and more like a dream.
Then I recall thinking *oh crap* when Jack asked his dad "Am I dead?"
So I guess I did have hope that the alternate-reality would stick, but throughout the season it did look more and more like a dream.
Are you serious? Granted, I liked the finale, but there's a huge list of unanswered questions. For me, the list gets topped by "What is up with Walt and his powers?" and "What was that whole thing about conceiving on the island killing the mothers?" These questions weren't even hinted at, and they were an integral part of the story. Multiple seasons were based on these questions.
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Also what was the point of Mr Eko?
So is the island a place that exists in reality? Did the events that we saw on the island actually happen? What is the island? Can anybody visit it? If everyone on the island was dead, why was there interactions from people who visited the island? Were they also dead? Why was Linus suddenly nice and wanting to help Jacob after being so vicious in the previous episode?
Jacob said that he brought the people to the island because they were lonely in their lives. So he killed them to bring them to the island, or were they alive on the island?
Did anyone think that Jack maybe became the new smoke monster? After all, he was submerged in the electromagnetic radiation just like when Jacob pushed his brother (MiB) into the light. With Hurley being the new Jacob. If there was no new smoke monster, why did the island need someone to protect it?
So is the island a place that exists in reality? Did the events that we saw on the island actually happen? What is the island? Can anybody visit it? If everyone on the island was dead, why was there interactions from people who visited the island? Were they also dead? Why was Linus suddenly nice and wanting to help Jacob after being so vicious in the previous episode?
Jacob said that he brought the people to the island because they were lonely in their lives. So he killed them to bring them to the island, or were they alive on the island?
Did anyone think that Jack maybe became the new smoke monster? After all, he was submerged in the electromagnetic radiation just like when Jacob pushed his brother (MiB) into the light. With Hurley being the new Jacob. If there was no new smoke monster, why did the island need someone to protect it?
If you saw Lost as a character-driven drama, then the finale was nothing short of brilliant.
If you saw lost as a science-fiction/mythology-based show, then the finale probably had you wanting to throw things through your television set.
Personally, I always viewed it as a character story. We've seen epic journeys of all of the main characters. Jack even went from being a man of science to a man of faith. And frankly, I loved the ending.
But I will say season 6 did seem kind of tacked on.
If you saw lost as a science-fiction/mythology-based show, then the finale probably had you wanting to throw things through your television set.
Personally, I always viewed it as a character story. We've seen epic journeys of all of the main characters. Jack even went from being a man of science to a man of faith. And frankly, I loved the ending.
But I will say season 6 did seem kind of tacked on.
Explanation for why they were all dead.
When Oceanic flight 815 blew apart over the ocean bodies landed all over the place. Some in the ocean and some on the island.Some in their seats on the plane.
Notice all of the people in the church were on the original flight. Ben wasn't so he wasn't in the church. That's why he didn't go in. He wasn't part of the group that died in the plane crash. Neither were Faraday et. al. Only the ones that died in the crash were in the church.
Jack's body landed in the bamboos. Note there was a tennis shoe nearby. That was from the flight that crashed.
John Locke. His body fell from the airline and landed on that cliff.
The ones that were in the plane that Frank piloted off the island were in the the Oceanic 815 plane when it crashed. Frank,Miles and Richard were not on the Oceanic Flight so they were not in the crash. They were "thoughts" on the island. That's also why they were not in the church.
Other people were from the mid section of flight 815 and probably died in their seats.
My theory about the losties making a place to meet ( the church ) was probably their collective prayers during the crash of flight 815. Note that none of them knew about the church until they realized they were dead.
When Oceanic flight 815 blew apart over the ocean bodies landed all over the place. Some in the ocean and some on the island.Some in their seats on the plane.
Notice all of the people in the church were on the original flight. Ben wasn't so he wasn't in the church. That's why he didn't go in. He wasn't part of the group that died in the plane crash. Neither were Faraday et. al. Only the ones that died in the crash were in the church.
Jack's body landed in the bamboos. Note there was a tennis shoe nearby. That was from the flight that crashed.
John Locke. His body fell from the airline and landed on that cliff.
The ones that were in the plane that Frank piloted off the island were in the the Oceanic 815 plane when it crashed. Frank,Miles and Richard were not on the Oceanic Flight so they were not in the crash. They were "thoughts" on the island. That's also why they were not in the church.
Other people were from the mid section of flight 815 and probably died in their seats.
My theory about the losties making a place to meet ( the church ) was probably their collective prayers during the crash of flight 815. Note that none of them knew about the church until they realized they were dead.
About Walt, I'm not sure if they ever said he had "special powers". I do remember them saying he was special. Also, I believe the reason for "conceiving on the island killing the mothers" had to do with the "heart" of the island and it's magnetic field.
If you remember, the Oceanic 6 did go back to the island. I think anybody can visit it, it's just a matter of finding it.
The events on the island actually happened. The only thing that didn't physically happen was the "flash sideways".
^^^^ Ah, Peace.
Holy number-of-posts-that-I-just-don't-have-time-to-read-right-now, er, Batman.
My take on the finale: I was very happy with it. It was a fine ending to an amazing show. Sure, there are some unanswered questions, but I didn't really expect them to explain everything.
I'm sure I'll be back when I'm less busy with my take on last night....
This thread has been, and will continue to be (I assume at least for the next little while), a lot of fun. Cheers to all the regulars!
Holy number-of-posts-that-I-just-don't-have-time-to-read-right-now, er, Batman.
My take on the finale: I was very happy with it. It was a fine ending to an amazing show. Sure, there are some unanswered questions, but I didn't really expect them to explain everything.
I'm sure I'll be back when I'm less busy with my take on last night....
This thread has been, and will continue to be (I assume at least for the next little while), a lot of fun. Cheers to all the regulars!
The show had its fair share of ridiculous plot devices that made no sense and were never bothered to be explained. I feel cheated with that finale.
If you looked at it as a character driven story you wasted six years of your life for horrible writing and terrible theme music. I couldn't believe they slipped an "I've got a bad feeling about this" line in the finale.
If you liked the show for the mythology you were cheated after six years, because they never bothered to explain 90% of the plot devices. What the hell was the island for???
Smoke monster/Chains/Dragging Locke into the hole.
Anyone remember when lock was chained at the leg dragged into the hole a few seasons back.
What became of that in terms of explanation, seeing as how the smoke monster could not kill any candidate.
Anyone remember when lock was chained at the leg dragged into the hole a few seasons back.
What became of that in terms of explanation, seeing as how the smoke monster could not kill any candidate.
For the record, I do feel that most of the big questions were answered, just not in the way the people expected.
There are some minor things like "what exactly is the smoke monster" that would never be answered. It's just that, a smoke monster. Other things like how Miles could see what happened to the dead and how Hurley could actually talk to dead people probably couldn't be answered either. Those are just their special abilities.
How much detail do you want the writers to explain things? Anytime you watch science fiction movies, you have to just go along with what's happening and not try and see the reality of it.
There are some minor things like "what exactly is the smoke monster" that would never be answered. It's just that, a smoke monster. Other things like how Miles could see what happened to the dead and how Hurley could actually talk to dead people probably couldn't be answered either. Those are just their special abilities.
How much detail do you want the writers to explain things? Anytime you watch science fiction movies, you have to just go along with what's happening and not try and see the reality of it.
How about the simplest question of all: what the heck is the island and who started all these rules and games that we've seen take place for hundreds of years?
Why can't some people register that what happened on the island was "real"? The only thing that was dream-land was the sideways stuff in Season 6.
Juliet...
It's not that we can't take things at face value, it's that especially with the sixth season the network and writers really pushed the whole "All your questions will be answered!" thing in interviews and promos and just in general. Instead, we get a season that's only loosely related to the five that came before.
Sure, we know a lot more about MIB and Jacob, the sideways flashbacks and stuff like that by the end of the season, but all that stuff had only been introduced relatively recently in the show's history. It's like they trampled upon everything that had been built up those first seasons.
Ok. Ya got me there but..But..but..
Desmond was a spiritual type..Perhaps an "Angel".
Crap. I'm confused again. As usual.
So what was the whole island-has-a-purpose-for-everybody crap? Why did everyone just not leave the island and return to their normal lives? If they died during their normal lives away from the island, would they still arrive at the church? Does everyone in the world arrive at this church when they die? Or only if you were on the island?
Michael and Walt left the island, maybe that is why they never appeared in the "afterlife" church scene.
Their "purpose" was to protect the island. This meant that they had to kill the Man in Black/smoke monster. They didn't have to return to the island, but they were persuaded to go back.
But the smoke monster posed no threat unless he could use some special people to destroy the island. So there was no reason for them to ever go to the island.
Well, it obviously didn't kill him, but I think it's reasonable to ask why Smokey attacked Locke (or any of the other candidates he terrorized along the way). Was he just trying to scare them off? Was he already trying to trick them into killing each other (accidentally, as Sawyer did with the bomb on the sub)?
I'm still confused about the smoke monster killing Mr. Eko. Does that suggest that he wasn't a candidate that Jacob had "summoned", and he just kinda showed up on the island by dumb luck?
They didn't know that at the time. Some of them felt like the island was special, others just went back because they wanted to help the people who thought it was special. I'm not sure if I'm making sense to anyone. It makes sense in my head.
Mr. Eko was not a candidate, therefore, the smoke monster was allowed to kill him.
Idk, it all seems pretty obvious to me.
The 2nd flight, where Des was on the plane, exists because the Losties created it as a place to meet after they died. Anyone who has strong emotional ties to the group ended up in the church, whether they were on the plane or not. The circumstances in the post-death world are the only made-up thing in the entire show, and it was made up by all of the core group of Losties so they could "move on" to the afterlife together. Although the directors made it look that way, i dont think Juliet's h-bomb caused the post-death world to exist. Juliet's bomb didnt really do anything except send the crew back to 2007.
Desmond, Kate, Claire - they all died away from the island and still arrived in church.
Its unclear to me if that sideways world was a personalized purgatory for jack, or a general one that everyone goes to.
Michael is stuck on the island (basically like never dying) and therefore he can not be in the church scene!
Walt, that was the biggest storyline that wasn't cleared up.
They didn't know that at the time. Some of them felt like the island was special, others just went back because they wanted to help the people who thought it was special. I'm not sure if I'm making sense to anyone. It makes sense in my head.
I'm talking more about fate. It seems many of them had a fate, but all of their fates related to the island were reliant on the ridiculous plot device that they needed to save the island. However, if they never went to the island it would be just fine. Their fate turned out the just hold up the status quo and cost many lives for absolutely no reason.
We know that Jacob choose each person to bring to the island. It wasn't fate.
Now does Jacob choosing them cause them to have so many connections to each other? - another question that is not answered.