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Welp, Season 1 is in books and after a slowish start I began to enjoy the series and liked how the season played out. It didn't all work and some of the actors are clearly better than others, but overall I'll be looking forward to seeing what they do next season. :)
 
It got better in the end for me, but the season still felt too long and filled with unnecessary stuff. It should have been shorter, better paced. So let's hope they learn from it and up the game. I'm still a little confused about the production value... where did all that money go?
 
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I'm still a little confused about the production value... where did all that money go?

Didn't they pay a quarter of a billion dollars just to get access to the LotR universe? Amazon sure bet a lot of money on this. But yeah, I think the final tally for season one was around a billion - that's a lot of scratch for pretty costumes and some fancy CGI. I mean, I think it overall looked good, but damn that's a lot of cash!
 
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I’ve completed Episode 5, I watched this episode twice and nodded off briefly in the same place both times. :oops:

It seems to be mostly operating on barely above a dull level, the scenery is beautiful, there are story elements that should be more interesting, but I’m having trouble putting my finger on the exact issue.

Stand and fight or run away from orcs, a brief prisoner of the orcs and the bad elf, some impressive but brief fight encounters. I like it when meteor man flexes his magic. :) Talk these island humans into helping out mainland humans and reunite with the elves, although they despise elves, because elves live longer and work harder than we do, despicable!

What is missing here? Is the story not grand enough or just too slow? Big fights should not be necessary to make a story interesting. 🤔
 
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I’m completed Episode 5, I watched this episode twice and nodded off briefly in the same place both times. :oops:

It seems to be mostly operating on barely above a dull level, the scenery is beautiful, there are story elements that should be more interesting, but I’m having trouble putting my finger on the exact issue.

Stand and fight or run away from orcs, a brief prisoner of the orcs and the bad elf, some impressive but brief fight encounters. I like it when meteor man flexes his magic. :) Talk these island humans into helping out mainland humans and reunite with the elves, although they despise elves, because elves live longer and work harder than we do, despicable!

What is missing here? Is the story not grand enough or just too slow? Big fights should not be necessary to make a story interesting. 🤔
I've only reached somewhere into ep2 as it doesn't spark anything in me.
A sweet serie with a beautiful scenery, but boring like fk.
 
I watched all of it. Sorry but it was amateur trash full of some of the worst writing on television. The characters were unlikeable and some of the plot elements and dialogue were beyond ridiculous:

Mount Doom was ignited with a “key” and some water?? Really??
Literally anyone who survived a volcano to the face.
”Give me meat and give it to me raw!” Enough said about that…

I’m not sure why Amazon handed the reigns to a couple of guys who literally had no credits to their name. Oh wait, J J Abrams apparently gave his nod of approval.
 
I’ve completed Episode 5, I watched this episode twice and nodded off briefly in the same place both times. :oops:

It seems to be mostly operating on barely above a dull level, the scenery is beautiful, there are story elements that should be more interesting, but I’m having trouble putting my finger on the exact issue.

Stand and fight or run away from orcs, a brief prisoner of the orcs and the bad elf, some impressive but brief fight encounters. I like it when meteor man flexes his magic. :) Talk these island humans into helping out mainland humans and reunite with the elves, although they despise elves, because elves live longer and work harder than we do, despicable!

What is missing here? Is the story not grand enough or just too slow? Big fights should not be necessary to make a story interesting. 🤔
I should have put spoiler tags in my recent post as I just noticed you only made it to 5.
 
Right, I've finally finished the lot last weekend. Despite not really liking the first two (see previous post), and as a lover of all things Tolkien I thought I'd give it a proper chance and not bail out early

Forcing myself to sit through the full 8 hours or so has taught me a couple of things: firstly that the Hobbit, in comparison to this, was in fact a towering cinematic achievement and not the deeply compromised and flawed nonsense that I'd previously thought it to be. And two, the writers have made me fully understand the motivations of Melkor, Sauron, Shelob and the legions or orcs and goblins of Middle Earth. After all if faced with this particular middle earth who wouldn't want to sing out of tune and then burn and destroy everything you came across.

More seriously: Thanks th0masp for posting that link to the Hollywood reporter article. There's actually a fascinating interview with Brian Sibley on I think, the Nerd of the Rings channel, which was recorded and I saw a while before all this series was released where they discuss how his original radio series and the subsquent films were made. It's really interesting - linky here.

It's worth comparing Brian's approach and his complementary thoughts about the production process and attitude of Jackson / Weta in the original films to that of the two 'show runners' for this turkey as reported and revealed in the Hollywood Reporter article and a few other things I've seen.
 
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The Guardian article touched on the big problem for me - the uneven acting. I don't know the cast well enough to know if it was just the director not giving them a consistent vision or what, but it was pretty terrible at times. That said, I *did* enjoy moments of the show and I'm certainly nerdy enough to see what they do in season 2. :p
 
The Guardian article touched on the big problem for me - the uneven acting. I don't know the cast well enough to know if it was just the director not giving them a consistent vision or what, but it was pretty terrible at times. That said, I *did* enjoy moments of the show and I'm certainly nerdy enough to see what they do in season 2. :p
Same here but I was puzzled that they singled out Galadriel as one of the good parts of the show. I thought her part was only topped by the Hobbit-knockoffs in how insufferable it was. They don't call her Fast-Forward-Galadriel for no reason! 😂
 
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I'm really enjoying the series. Not sure what those complaining about it were hoping for but I really liked the first season.
 
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Watched episode 7 a sword that works as a key, turns a rock switch that breaks a damn, that floods a dormant volcano that makes it erupt. Was this in source material or just writer’s imagination? If this is the creation of Mt Doom, I’m not impressed.
 
I'm really enjoying the series. Not sure what those complaining about it were hoping for but I really liked the first season.
I have one episode to go, I really do not like Galadriel’s portrayal as compared to the LOTR movie trilogy. Is it possible high production values can hurt a story? Or is it just the writing, and/or it’s pacing? When the creation of something big is rushed to fit it in the time slot, then it‘s not going to be as good, or maybe it’s too big a story to tell in 10 hours?

When you look at a 10hr season, the relatively new streaming norm, it seems easier to do lower key stories than grand epics. For example Umbrella Academy, Locke and Key, Evil, Bosch, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Punisher (all good) vs something like Lord of the Rings which was epic, but in Lord of the Rings, they were not building an empire, just on a mission that was epic, to get rid of this damned ring, they were not trying to portray the building of an empire.

I first got the impression I was watching an outline presentation with Game of Thrones as compared to the books. And House of Dragons feels like the abbreviated telling of prequel story. It is good enough to kept me watching, but I’m not really vested in it. It seems like for a 10 hr season, you either have to limit the scope of the story or it’s going to feel rushed or abbreviated if you try to do too much with the limited time you have.

At this point, and I don’t expect my view to change after the season finale, I don’t think for what was spent, that Amazon got its money‘s worth. For an example of something that is expensive but feels epic look at HBO’s Rome, but it only lasted 2 seasons due to the expense of filming in Italy.
 
I have one episode to go, I really do not like Galadriel’s portrayal as compared to the LOTR movie trilogy. Is it possible high production values can hurt a story? Or is it just the writing, and/or it’s pacing? When the creation of something big is rushed to fit it in the time slot, then it‘s not going to be as good, or maybe it’s too big a story to tell in 10 hours?

When you look at a 10hr season, the relatively new streaming norm, it seems easier to do lower key stories than grand epics. For example Umbrella Academy, Locke and Key, Evil, Bosch, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Punisher (all good) vs something like Lord of the Rings which was epic, but in Lord of the Rings, they were not building an empire, just on a mission that was epic, to get rid of this damned ring, they were not trying to portray the building of an empire.

I first got the impression I was watching an outline presentation with Game of Thrones as compared to the books. And House of Dragons feels like the abbreviated telling of prequel story. It is good enough to kept me watching, but I’m not really vested in it. It seems like for a 10 hr season, you either have to limit the scope of the story or it’s going to feel rushed or abbreviated if you try to do too much with the limited time you have.

At this point, and I don’t expect my view to change after the season finale, I don’t think for what was spent, that Amazon got its money‘s worth. For an example of something that is expensive but feels epic look at HBO’s Rome, but it only lasted 2 seasons due to the expense of filming in Italy.

Interesting, I found G's character far more compelling than most of the others. Ironically, I also really liked the Netflix Marvel flicks (e.g., Daredevil, Jones, Luke Cage, etc.). --Personally, I think they are a bit more wholesome and well planned out than what D+ currently has.

I never got into GOT, I fell asleep (lit.) during the pilot episode and never went back. I'm sure it's excellent once you get into it but I just never had a taste for it.
 
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I was entertained through season 1, but at the end of it I looked back and I didn't really think it was good. Episode 6 was awesome, but there was a whole lot of "meh" throughout the rest of the season. They didn't really build off episode 6 and episode 7 was a snoozer which was dissapointing coming off the best episode of the series. Seemed like there was little thought put into the storytelling.

6 out of 10
 
I give this series a 6 out of 10

There's something off about the rings themselves as I always pictured the elves having the sole purpose of saving their race so they could stay in Middle Earth. I knew something was off when Halbrand/Sauron took a keen interest in the new metal and why Lord Celebrimbor put trust into him is a mystery to me 🤷‍♂️ as I always thought elves were secretive with it came to those matters. I do say the misdirection with "The Stranger" who is most likely Gandalf. ("When in doubt... always follow your nose." 😉) was a good little twist for a season finale.
 
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Looks like the entire season could have been done in half a season and get on with the part of the story line and give it a cliff hanger.
 
I have one episode to go, I really do not like Galadriel’s portrayal as compared to the LOTR movie trilogy. Is it possible high production values can hurt a story? Or is it just the writing, and/or it’s pacing? When the creation of something big is rushed to fit it in the time slot, then it‘s not going to be as good, or maybe it’s too big a story to tell in 10 hours?

Don't forget meddling - it may not be all on writers/showrunners. Having been part of a creative effort or two in my career: if a big company provides the budget you get all the execs for free who want to leave their own mark on the product. Probably doubly so if its a world-renowned IP like this and the company is - as 'The Guardian' article in my link put it so fittingly - a mailorder business dabbling in TV. :)
 
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Watched episode 7 a sword that works as a key, turns a rock switch that breaks a damn, that floods a dormant volcano that makes it erupt. Was this in source material or just writer’s imagination? If this is the creation of Mt Doom, I’m not impressed.
I'd hardly use the word imagination but yes, that oozed out of the writer's head onto the screen. That had nothing to do with Tolkien.
 
I'd hardly use the word imagination but yes, that oozed out of the writer's head onto the screen. That had nothing to do with Tolkien.

This seems like an appropriate critique as in, I question the elf’s draining light that requires them being close to mithril to save them, a magic sword Bad Elf requires to turn a switch that mechanically opens a damn to flood a volcano and cause it to erupt, trashing a geographic area permanently. And when the volcano goes off, by the depiction of a pyroclastic flow, of hot gases and debris, maybe an elf can handle this, without injury, but no human could.

Anyway, I’ll watch the season final today, I remember the story of the rings, crafted and handed out like candy, with one secret ring to rule them all. That ring was crafted at Mt. Doom. What did these rings do for those that received them? Rings of power, what kind of power? Exactly what did they expect to get as compared to what they actually got? :)

I’ve always held the Elves in greater esteem for having more wisdom, than human beings so it seems puzzling to me that they would hand out a bunch of magic rings to men, and dwarves seem almost as bad. Except that is how the original story was crafted and I can accept that as such. :)

Possibly the last part a spoiler background:

A brief history behind the Rings of Power was included in The Fellowship of the Ring - rendered in live-action by Peter Jackson's 2001 movie adaptation. As many Lord of the Rings fans will know, Sauron helped craft 20 Rings of Power, which he gifted to the various races of Middle-earth not from the kindness of his cold, black heart, but to dominate and control them. Sauron gave nine to men, seven to dwarves, the Elves had three, and the Dark Lord kept for himself (say it with us) one ring to rule them all.
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Whereas Sauron crafted the One Ring in secret from his Mordor stronghold, the other 19 were made openly by the elves - albeit not without a dark guiding hand. After the fall of Morgoth (Middle-earth's original villain) at the end of the First Age, Sauron - Morgoth's greatest lieutenant - spent 1500 years recovering his magical strength and military might, turning Mordor into a fortress of evil. As part of his grand plan to dominate all species, Sauron infiltrated the Elves of Eregion, adopting a "fair" disguise and renaming himself Annatar. Operating in the shadows and sowing dissent among the already-fractured elven houses, Sauron offered Eregion magical knowledge and pushed them toward crafting the Rings of Power.
 
This seems like an appropriate critique as in, I question the elf’s draining light that requires them being close to mithril to save them, a magic sword Bad Elf requires to turn a switch that mechanically opens a damn to flood a volcano and cause it to erupt, trashing a geographic area permanently. And when the volcano goes off, by the depiction of a pyroclastic flow, of hot gases and debris, maybe an elf can handle this, without injury, but no human could.

Anyway, I’ll watch the season final today, I remember the story of the rings, crafted and handed out like candy, with one secret ring to rule them all. That ring was crafted at Mt. Doom. What did these rings do for those that received them? Rings of power, what kind of power? Exactly what did they expect to get as compared to what they actually got? :)

I’ve always held the Elves in greater esteem for having more wisdom, than human beings so it seems puzzling to me that they would hand out a bunch of magic rings to men, and dwarves seem almost as bad. Except that is how the original story was crafted and I can accept that as such. :)

Possibly the last part a spoiler background:

A brief history behind the Rings of Power was included in The Fellowship of the Ring - rendered in live-action by Peter Jackson's 2001 movie adaptation. As many Lord of the Rings fans will know, Sauron helped craft 20 Rings of Power, which he gifted to the various races of Middle-earth not from the kindness of his cold, black heart, but to dominate and control them. Sauron gave nine to men, seven to dwarves, the Elves had three, and the Dark Lord kept for himself (say it with us) one ring to rule them all.
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Whereas Sauron crafted the One Ring in secret from his Mordor stronghold, the other 19 were made openly by the elves - albeit not without a dark guiding hand. After the fall of Morgoth (Middle-earth's original villain) at the end of the First Age, Sauron - Morgoth's greatest lieutenant - spent 1500 years recovering his magical strength and military might, turning Mordor into a fortress of evil. As part of his grand plan to dominate all species, Sauron infiltrated the Elves of Eregion, adopting a "fair" disguise and renaming himself Annatar. Operating in the shadows and sowing dissent among the already-fractured elven houses, Sauron offered Eregion magical knowledge and pushed them toward crafting the Rings of Power.
Ok, finished Season 1, actually this is a decent episode.

I just don’t buy the angle that in this story, the way it is constructed, the Elves need the Rings to live otherwise, they would have said Hell No! to these rings since they have known Sauron has been rotten ever since the last big fight, Galadriel has been chasing this guy for a century, and have now figured out who Sauron is, and who orchestrated the successful creation of the Elvin Rings. It’s perplexing. 🤔

i would think just anyone alive would know who Sauron is would not accept any rings of his doing. As I asked before what kind of power do these rings have (besides save the Elves power)?
 
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Ok, finished Season 1, actually this is a decent episode.

I just don’t buy the angle that in this story, the way it is constructed, the Elves need the Rings to live otherwise, they would have said Hell No! to these rings since they have known Sauron has been rotten ever since the last big fight, Galadriel has been chasing this guy for a century, and have now figured out who Sauron is, and who orchestrated the successful creation of the Elvin Rings. It’s perplexing. 🤔

i would think just anyone alive would know who Sauron is would not accept any rings of his doing. As I asked before what kind of power do these rings have (besides save the Elves power)?
From wikipedia:

The One Ring:
Powers: Invisibility, extended lifespan, control, knowledge of all other Rings.
Effect on user: Corruption to evil

The Elven Rings: To heal and preserve.
Effects on user: Nostalgia, procrastination

Dwarf-Rings: To gain wealth, extended lifespan
Effect on user: Greed, anger

Rings for Men:
Invisibility, extended lifespan, terror
Effect on user: Enslavement, fading to permanent invisibility

 
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